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March 19, 2009 10:20:34 PM

Okay further thoughts on my first build, will I notice a difference in performance between these two builds if all I use it for is the net, movies, music, MS Office and Visual Studio? Thanks gents. I can't overestimate the importance of your input to date :) 

Build 1 (More Expensive)

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 LGA775 'Wolfdale' 3.16GHz (1333FSB)
Asus P5Q Pro Intel P45 (Socket 775)
GeIL 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400C4 800MHz Black Dragon EVO ONE DDR2
Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB
Samsung SH-S223F/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter
Corsair TX 650W ATX SLi Compliant
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-Bit
Antec 300 Three Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case
Asus ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB GDDR3


Build 2

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 LGA775 'Wolfdale' 2.80GHz (1066FSB)
Asus P5Q Intel P45
Kingston HyperX 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 PC2-6400C5 800MHz
Western Digital Caviar Green 640GB SATA-II 16MB Cache
Samsung SH-S223F/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter
Corsair VX 450W ATX Power Supply
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-Bit
Antec 300 Three Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case
Gainward ATI Radeon HD 4650 512MB DDR2



Would both builds run fast and quiet??
March 19, 2009 10:58:51 PM

Yep, if you dont game on the first build, for $20 cheaper is the Q8200.
March 19, 2009 11:16:41 PM

If you don't game, build 2 will serve you well.
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March 19, 2009 11:17:31 PM

fullmetall said:
Yep, if you dont game on the first build, for $20 cheaper is the Q8200.


+1 to fullmetal's suggestion! If you decide to stick with the dual core, I would save some money and get the E8400 over the E8500. It is cheaper and can achieve pretty much the same overclock easy. Otherwise, spend the extra dough and get the Q8200.

For the motherboard it is an excellent choice. Very well respected board among builders. If you want a good alternative to it look at this board.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That is also a very good board. Choice is yours though.

For the ram I would switch it up to a more reliable brand. 2x2gb 800 is just fine. Take a look at these.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Excellent memory from G.Skill, a very reliable and well known brand!

Other than that, for your needs that build looks great. Hope this helps. Oh and I was referring to your first option too. Good luck!
March 19, 2009 11:24:59 PM

Build 2 is probably the best solution for your needs......It will o/c very nicely and it's a 45 nm processor so it is quiet and cool!
My son games on a E7400 at max settings with a 9800 GTX+ with no problems!
The only other question to factor in is if you ever plan to go hard core into gaming on a large screen, then go for the first build.
March 19, 2009 11:27:58 PM

Willing to make a mix-match between both of those setups?

I would personally go..
Q8200 CPU
Asus P5Q Intel P45
The afformated G.Skill Ram last poster mentioned
Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB
Samsung SH-S223F/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter
Corsair TX 650W ATX SLi Compliant
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-Bit
Antec 300
Asus ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB GDDR3


March 20, 2009 12:02:56 AM

+1 to darkelon and johnnyq.

If you want to spend a little more go with drake's suggestion. It's perfect.

If you want to save a little and go cheaper go with the 2nd build but switch the ram with the one i suggested, the hdd with the caviar black 640gb. everything else on that build looks fine, if it is just for normal use then that gpu is fine. I would suggest this gpu over it though for that price range.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
March 20, 2009 12:19:33 AM

Went looking around, cause I'm a closeminded idiot at times and like to keep Intel/nVidia or AMD/ATI when possible and wanted tofind what kind of nVidia offerings there were.

I also was of the opinion that the 4850 was going to be to *much* card for what you plan on doing, and the other ATI card was maybe *slightly* to little?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This card is $10-20 cheaper than the card you're currently looking at after the mail-in rebate.

PS- It come with Far Cry 2 also. Sell it on craigslist for $30 more ;P
March 20, 2009 12:24:26 AM

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/msi_geforce_gts_250...

there's a review for that grphx card, they gave it a 90% and MSI has priced it very aggresively. it doesn't have a fancy heatsink or anything, but I think it will get the job done and I would even keep the game (you can send it to me for consulting :p )
March 20, 2009 12:33:12 AM

Wouldn't get a card no one has used, specially MSI. Plus, if he was to crossfire later-on, he couldn't. What you guys aren't looking at is, this computer is used for "multitasking" he needs stability over gaming performance.

Q8200/ Asus P5Q pro/ If i remember, he's from the UK and g.skills is out of the question, kingston or corsair is fine, Sapphire 4650 would be just enough for what you need.
March 20, 2009 8:05:08 AM

wow thanks for the constructive input everyone (so refreshing to find a forum where the users don't start insulting one another after two comments :D  ). I'm in Ireland so will be looking at the Kinston or Corsair. I picked the Geil because of the timings as compared to the Corsair would I notice much of a difference? I just got paid this morning and as luck would have it I didn't get taxed as heavily as I was expecting (got bumped into a new tax bracket last week and thought they would bleed me dry :fou:  ), so I might go with the first build (with the replaced RAM if you suggest it). I can change the 4850 to this 4870 for only a small price increase so I figure I might go for it, it would be nice to have the option of gaming in the future. How would the E8500 and the Q8200 stack up against each other for gaming and also general tasks?
March 20, 2009 10:37:15 AM

The Geil is good ram also. I personally would get whatever is cheaper between this and the corsair as there will not be a real noticable difference.

If you can swing it definatly get the 4870.

For gaming you will see better results with the E8500 because of the higher clock. get one of these after market coolers a oc it. Very easy and stable I have mine at 3.8ghz at stock voltage. You could go to 3.6 with one change and no ill effects to the system.

Skythe Katana 2 it runs silent and will keep the cpu cool for a good price.

March 20, 2009 11:39:55 AM

Gaming, E8500. Yes, the Geils look great. What a price on the 4870, even though its only a 512mb card, it should do you well.

March 20, 2009 12:17:53 PM

If you're not totally an intel fan you could go with this:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... 214..99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... 174.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682... 68.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... 205.49

This would give a really nice amd system..you don't need the vid card right away as it has the 3000 series gpu on board...

With the chipset on this board you'll be able to o/c this processor quite easily...
So, again it's what you need it for that is the important equation.
March 20, 2009 12:20:13 PM

Does Newegg.CA deliver to Ireland?? I didn't think so.

You just came in and didn't know his older threads and his budgets. this is probably his 3rd thread to sum everything up.
March 20, 2009 12:46:03 PM

Full.. where I came in there is no mention of a budget..and my refs to neweeg.ca are just that refs...it is an AMD alternative....no one said that newegg delivers to ireland and no export was intended rather the product desciption is the viable point to my post...
So piss off...EH?
March 20, 2009 12:47:14 PM

lol..hehe..........
March 20, 2009 12:59:45 PM

Well, mind asking before hand? or
Whats the budget or
what are you looking for,

thats why the thread says "last post i hope, greatly appreciated."
March 20, 2009 1:06:48 PM

I didn't get the previous posts..I saw the post as new from toms' home page...so sorry!
But anyways, we're here to help him not pick on our selves, so let's get to helping him..ok?
BTW..what is his budget?
March 20, 2009 1:10:37 PM

sorry guys, I probably shouldn't have posted three different times since it's the same question. I just fell that it was the best way to get fresh input. Does anyone here currently use the Antec 300? I like the look of it, any the reviews are usually glowing, but I would like a quiet case. I originally looked at the Lian Li PC-B25B, but the expense is quite extravagant for something that will sit underneath my desk. :o  If I went with build 1, would I also need Arctic Silver and a CPU fan? I know you must be asked these questions time and time again. :??: 
March 20, 2009 1:16:33 PM

It was really low for multitasking, then he changed to be able to atleast run smooth games when he does do a little gaming.

So, the AMD could knock off around $120 or probably a little less than the Intel but, for gaming, i still choose E8500 over the AMD x3 720.

his budget is pretty low still thats why he chose a 4850 but, if your going to look at a 4870, you could still look at a lower wattage psu, 650w is a little much for a 4850.
March 20, 2009 1:24:52 PM

The AMD i spec'd was a 4core PHENOM II...
March 20, 2009 1:28:45 PM

If your going to get any Phenom II let it be a x4 940 over the E8500,

x3 720be mabye but, e8500 is still my pick.



March 20, 2009 6:45:59 PM

thanks guys. My budget has grown to around 900/1000 euro ($1200/$1300). It got to the point where I thought well if I'm going to spend 700/800 euro then f@#k it, I might as well spend some more and get a really nice setup. That's what led me to the E8500 and 4870. :pt1cable: 
March 20, 2009 7:15:14 PM

Well Give us a Full setup of what you have now.
March 20, 2009 7:26:15 PM

I think I'm going with

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 LGA775 'Wolfdale' 3.16GHz (1333FSB)
Asus P5Q Pro Intel P45 (Socket 775)
GeIL 4GB (2x2GB) PC2-6400C4 800MHz Black Dragon EVO ONE DDR2
Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB
Samsung SH-S223F/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA Dual Layer ReWriter
Corsair TX 650W ATX SLi Compliant
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-Bit
Antec 300 Three Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 4870 1024MB GDDR5

Still unsure about the RAM, whether I should stick with this or go with Corsair (GeIL timings are better on overclockers.co.uk) I'm still pinging back and forth between 4850 and 4870, but not for price reasons, noise is a concern.
March 20, 2009 7:35:08 PM

Nice build. I would say it is good to go.
March 20, 2009 10:28:33 PM

Thanks everyone. One last question, will I notice the difference between the GeIL @ 4-4-4-12 and the Corsair @ 5-5-5-18? Regarding the GPU the 4870 prices are close enough to the 4850, but will they automatically be louder than 4850? I don't want a loud pc when I'm trying to write reports or code. I looked at newegg reviews but got the usual mix of "oh man it's so quiet" and "this thing is like a vacuum cleaner". Is it just that there is always a small percentage of people who will moan about everything? :heink: 
March 21, 2009 12:02:33 AM

I doubt you will see a any speed difference between these sets of ram.

They can get loud when gaming but, internet or coding when they don't need to be maxed they are ok. you can also slow the fans down with rivatuner. this is for both the 4870 and 4850.
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