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March 19, 2009 11:47:03 PM

Okay, so I'm playing around with the idea of building a slim desktop for ( what I assume would be ) light gaming.
Like, WoW, CS:S, and TF2 or something.
What I "put together" earlier:
[ Pretty much rebuilt solely from suggestions. ]

640GB, 7200RPM Western Digital HDD

Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz

ASUS P5E-VM DO LGA 775 Intel Q35 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2

SPARKLE SX98GT512D3L-NM GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit

Asus DVD-ROM drive

APEX DM-387 MicroATX Slim Case with 275W PSU

CORSAIR 400W ATX12V

thank you all for your help.
Y'all brought the cost of the system from a daunting $9oo to a manageable $65o + Shipping costs.
<3

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a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 12:47:58 AM

LOL at the 275W PSU. Here's the recommendation BFG makes for their GTS 250:

"475W PCI Express-compliant system power supply with a combined 12V current rating of 26A or more". A Corsair 450VX would be the minimum here, IMO.
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March 20, 2009 2:28:40 AM

MykC said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... LGA 775 Q8200 $170 Cheaper, same performance, runs cooler

I jumped when I thought you said $170 cheaper, until I saw it was only $30 lower. Wish I wasn't dreaming though :( 
---Edit---
Interesting. I looked up some benchmarks for the Q8200 and saw it was neck to neck with the Q6600 on many CPU intensive tasks despite having 1/3 the cache size.
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 2:54:10 AM

The case is too narrow (thin) to fit a full size video card, plus the power supply that comes with the case is too weak.

If you want to keep that case then you need to choose a low profile or "half height" video card. The most powerful one available is the Galaxy 9600GT and it will work with that limited power supply.

Galaxy 9600GT:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
March 20, 2009 3:12:41 AM

I've been editing the wish list on Newegg and I'll update the list in my original post in a second.

Jaguars:I was wondering what exactly a low profile Graphics card looked like.
When I was looking at the Low profile section on Newegg they all looked the same to me. >>;

MykC:
Thanks for the link.
Less heat and money are both very good things.
Especially in a small case intended for light gaming.
At least what I consider light gaming. ^^;

Aevm:
So I was right in thinking that a 275W PSU would be inadiquate.
Thanks. :)

Jared:
Thank you for confirming that for me.
Also for the links.
Improvements, ahoy!
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 3:13:11 AM

Oops....


Looks like the most powerful low profile video card is a 9800GT made by Sparkle. Sparkle didn't even bother to list a minimum power supply for this card, but it should consume about 85w of power, 25w more than a 9600GT (60w) under load.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Will you be able to use it with a 275w PSU and a Q6600? Maybe, but you will probably be putting a big stress on the PSU, thus shortening it's life significantly. Best to have at least a 400w PSU.
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 3:23:01 AM

^+1 the case cannot fit the full height Graphics card...U should get a low profile card similar to the one given above...
Or here are a few from sparkle...

SPARKLE SX96GT512D3L-NM GeForce 9600 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card - Retail $79.99
Free Shipping*
Low Profile 512MB GDDR3 with Native HDMI Support
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SPARKLE SX98GT512D3L-NM GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Video Card - Retail $114.99
Low Profile 512MB GDDR3 with Native HDMI Support
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would suggest u to get the 9800GT...shuld be powerful enuf to handle those games at decent resolutions...
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 3:24:05 AM

lolz jaguar hahah just the same :D 
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 3:26:27 AM

For the PSU, u shuld get something like this...

CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail $54.99
($44.99 after $10.00 Mail-In
Rebate )
Free Shipping*
Additional 10% off with promo code Mar10, ends 3/22
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

One of the best out there...Can easily handle ur config wihtout any problem...
March 20, 2009 3:29:06 AM

Gkay:
Thanks for your help too.
I've added the PSU you recommended to the wishlist and I'm updating the first post and marking this thread as solved.


Once again, I'm very grateful for all of y'all's help today.
I learned a bunch today.
:]
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 3:33:24 AM

skreenname said:
I've been editing the wish list on Newegg and I'll update the list in my original post in a second.

Jaguars:I was wondering what exactly a low profile Graphics card looked like.
When I was looking at the Low profile section on Newegg they all looked the same to me. >>;



When doing an Advanced Search look for the Form Factor field. You should see Low Profile and Low Profile Ready. Low Profile should mean the video card already comes with a low profile bracket attached, while Low Profile Ready means the video card comes with a full size bracket already attached, but also includes a low profile bracket.

The Galaxy 9600GT is a Low Profile video card, click the following link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Click on the image of the 9600GT for larger pictures. Note the size of the bracket.


The Sparkle 9800GT is a Low Profile Ready video card, click the following link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Then click on the 9800GT image for larger pictures.

The Sparkle 9800GT comes attached with a full size bracket. Click the right most picture which shows the video card, box, manual, CD and other accessories. In between the VGA to DVI adapter and the red wire is the Low Profile bracket. Note the size.

a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 3:37:20 AM

gkay09 said:
For the PSU, u shuld get something like this...

CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail $54.99
($44.99 after $10.00 Mail-In
Rebate )
Free Shipping*
Additional 10% off with promo code Mar10, ends 3/22
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

One of the best out there...Can easily handle ur config wihtout any problem...



He won't be able to fit a full size ATX PSU in the slim-line case the OP wants.
March 20, 2009 3:39:11 AM

I see what you mean.
I guess in my 'surf mode' when I was looking at Video cards I didn't notice.
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 3:43:13 AM

Well just a question though...
Are u comfortable with an AMD build because u get quality mobos at cheaper rates than the intel mobos and for $170, u can get gud CPUs too...(actually even for less...X3 720 less than $150) and they also have very performance and are very efficient)
March 20, 2009 3:44:11 AM

hmm well iv'e found something you might want to have a look at, considering that you want to do "light gaming" here are some benchmarks that feature the intel quads vs the phenom II lineup in left 4 dead and fallout 3.
as you can see the phenom II X3 720 BE has a pretty good position in these charts in terms of gaming, a pretty good lead over the q8200 also, for about 240 you can get an excellent quality gigabyte board and a 720be.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.165024

edit: i think that psu would be sufficient, but im still not entirely sure whether i would fit or not. but will post once i match dimensions.
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 3:48:28 AM

jaguarskx said:
He won't be able to fit a full size ATX PSU in the slim-line case the OP wants.

Well yes...My bad... :pfff: 

a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 3:56:06 AM

Well I could fin oly this PSU suitable for his need...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But if he overclocks I doubt it can handle tat...And not sure about the build quality...hmm...

Rest looks gud though...Single 12v with 20A shuld provide enuf power for the graphics card...
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 3:59:26 AM

And +1 for the X3 720...Has so many gud reviews...and is very competitive wit the Q8200
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 4:01:49 AM

skreenname said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817338008

This one would fit and work, wouldn't it?



I suppose it should work. The problem is that it seems there is no definitive standard size when it comes to mini-ATX PSUs. For example, there are mini-ATX PSUs specifically for e-machines and HP cases.

Additionally, I recommended a mini-ATX PSU to someone who was buying a mini-ATX / Slim-Line case around 18 months ago. Although both case and PSU clearly stated "mini-ATX" the PSU was not an exact fit. The guy said he had to jury rig it so that the PSU would fit in his case.

If you are dead set on that particular Slim-Line case then either call or e-mail the manufacturer and ask if you can replace it with a standard mini-ATX PSU. Better safe than sorry (or annoyed).
March 20, 2009 4:04:23 AM

Thanks for those benchmarks.
Now I'm thinking AMD would be a good Idea.
The Phenom X3 8650 is about half the cold of the Core 2 Quad and it had almost the exactly the same Framerate.


Edit:
I would definately call the manufacturer and ask about something like that.
I have no Issue slightly modifying the case, but not modifications would be best. o 3o
March 20, 2009 4:04:42 AM

hmm i checked the dimensions for the power supply to see if it would fit in that case, and it seems there aren't any power supplys tailored to fit a case like that, that you could buy separate, all the ones i've seen are all to wide to fit it, is there any chance you would consider changing form factor to a standard micro atx case?
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 4:09:17 AM

^^^

Yeah, I would really recommend going with a standard ATX case since everything is more "standardized".

Plus, you need not be limited to low profile video cards which may take an eternity to come out. The 9600GT was released last July/August and the low profile version just recently came out.
March 20, 2009 4:16:54 AM

The only reason I like Micro ATX is it would be easier to carry to a friend's house.
But I may be wrong.
And that Gigabyte + Phenom II would be worth it.

Just as long as the System isn't really big I don't mind changing the case.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021
My Friend has this case, and it's really huge imo.
March 20, 2009 4:19:17 AM

hm well heres my suggestion for a revised build but this is just my choice of what id do with a budget like yours and the want for micro atx form,
ASUS M3A78-EM $78.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131324
Phenom II X3 720 BE $147.00 Free Shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103649
G. Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) $52.99 Free Shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166
APEVIA X-QPACK With 420W PSU $74.99 Free Shipping And $15.00 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133044]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144162

Including the Hard Drive, Video Card, And DVD Rom You've Selected it comes to $563.94

or $638.93 With These
Thermaltake LANBOX Lite $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133044http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371005

Haha i understand man, with my old xion 2 case mid tower i feel like im moving in to my friends house every time we lan party, so i can sympathize.
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Antec Earthwatts 380Watts $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371005

Haha i understand man, with my old xion 2 case mid tower i feel like im moving in to my friends house every time we lan party, so i can sympathize.
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 4:21:48 AM

Hey if u want to carry ur case along, then u can also get the Shoe box type case...they can fit many components very well and are easy to move around...
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 4:30:02 AM

How about a mini-ATX case that accepts a full size ATX power supply?

APEVIA X-QPACK-NW-BK/420 Black Aluminum:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


It is small and comes with a 420w PSU. However, APEVIA PSU are crap so I recommend you save up money on the side for a better quality PSU to be installed at a later time.


I recommend the following PSU brands:

Seasonic
Corsair (several are made by Seasonic)
PC Power & Cooling (several are made by Seasonic)

Others to choose from:

Antec (several are made by Seasonic)
FSP (a.k.a Fortron Source)
Enermax
OCZ
a b B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 4:43:46 PM

Slim, Light / Gaming PC.
That is an oxymoron if I ever saw one! :) 
a b B Homebuilt system
a b 4 Gaming
March 20, 2009 5:13:31 PM

Athena Power is a bottom-tier sparker, not to be trusted.
The Apevia X-QPACK[2] is a great design, marred by poor materials and miserable QC. I had one, and ended up junking it. It was flimsy, had grounding problems, and a factory drone had even put a screw through the power-switch wires. Reviews of its included PSU are bad, but it did fit a deeper-than-standard modular PSU I used. The bottom line is though, I wouldn't buy another one.
I used one of these recently, in a build my wife took down to her brother in El Salvador in her luggage: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Rosewill R101-P-BK 120mm Fan MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $25.
It is roomy for a micro, and has decent cooling capability (just add a front 120mm fan). It will fit a standard PSU.
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