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a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 7:03:49 AM

My 4650 frequently crashes in Source games and has display glitches when playing TES4: Oblivion



This is my 2ndary PC, specs:
E6300 OCed to 2.1GHz
4650 OCed to 650/500 or 625/450 MHz (default 600/400)
Biostar mobo with 1 PCI-e 2.0
2GB of RAM
E520 Dell PSU 305watt (pulled from a Dell)
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 4:12:30 PM

Its possible you PSU is crap.
I wouldn't recommend ocing on such a crap PSU. OCing on a old crap PSU will stress it. Also try to back off you OC and see if it gets better.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 5:47:26 PM

People here have all stated that Dell PSUs are actually decent. It may only have 305 watts, but it provides 18 or 22amps on a 12v rail.

They've recommended 4670s, and even 9600GTs for Dell 305watt PSUs...both of which consumes more power than the 4650.
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April 12, 2009 5:59:13 PM

case in point, you blame ati drivers yet your trying to run ur card of a 305w PSU
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 6:02:55 PM

rangers said:
case in point, you blame ati drivers yet your trying to run ur card of a 305w PSU


Look pal, 99% of the people here have recommended running a 4670 OR a 9600GT on a Dell 305watt PSU...BOTH of which uses more power than a 4650

Don't go bullsh*ting me with your ATI worship when you accuse everyone else of being Nvidia fanboys.
April 12, 2009 6:07:50 PM

have you tried to do a clean install
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 6:09:29 PM

Yes, wiped the HD clean of anything Nvidia. Reboot. Installed ATI drivers.
Glitchy. Uninstalled ATI drivers. Reinstalled ATI drivers.

Possibility of the 46xx series having issues with Oblivion settings...?
April 12, 2009 6:11:28 PM

You have a failed installation of drivers or you need to update directX.

failed installation of drivers is always a USER mistake, so don't start any sh*t.

Uninstall all drivers, including motherboard drivers after you have downloaded new drivers for the GPU and MB. Run driver sweeper in safe mode and delete all traces of the GPU and MB drivers. Then install all the drivers once again.

As for directX download:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?display...
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 6:25:42 PM

The_Blood_Raven said:

failed installation of drivers is always a USER mistake, so don't start any sh*t.


The only sh*t that's going to start is if people here recommend a 4670 for a Dell 305 watt PSU, and then do a 180 by saying the PSU can't even run a 4650.
April 12, 2009 6:26:39 PM

wow nice e peen thread guys. you're all losers.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 6:31:25 PM

^ Ran driver sweeper, "analyze Nvidia Chipset and Display" - none.
I did install version C of DX9, I'll see if that helps.
a c 365 U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 6:39:05 PM

Reset the HD 4650 to stock speed to see if it fixes the issue.

Since that is your 2ndary PC try installing the HD 4650 in your primary PC to see if it is indeed the card that is defective.

a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 6:53:44 PM

For some reason, my 4650 is clocked lower than the usual DDR2 4650s.

And it has a G-texture fill rate of 20 instead of 24, which is what I see for most non-Oced DDR2 4650s.

I'll try jaguar's suggestion
April 12, 2009 7:10:17 PM

If it was a PSU related problem then it would be more serious than texture popping. Happy BSD?

It might be a lot of things, just please don't jump to saying an entire company is at fault, it is misleading to others.

Edit: Oh and now I want to play Oblivion again!
April 12, 2009 7:18:30 PM

i would be surprised if you even had a ati card, you can run 2x9800GTX/GTX+ on a crappy nvidia board, yet you cant install a 4650 right without blaming ATI drivers, and on top of all that, its some how underclocked its self, GALMF
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 9:43:13 PM

rangers said:
i would be surprised if you even had a ati card, you can run 2x9800GTX/GTX+ on a crappy nvidia board, yet you cant install a 4650 right without blaming ATI drivers, and on top of all that, its some how underclocked its self, GALMF


I'm running the 4650 on my 2ndary computer with a non-nvidia Biostar motherboard. The 2xGTXs are my primary computer. And I fail to see how the 780i with triple SLi is a "crappy nvidia board."

You fail. And learn to read.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 9:46:34 PM

The_Blood_Raven said:
If it was a PSU related problem then it would be more serious than texture popping. Happy BSD? It might be a lot of things, just please don't jump to saying an entire company is at fault, it is misleading to others.Edit: Oh and now I want to play Oblivion again!


Well technically, nowhere in my post am I actually blaming the entire ATI company for anything.

I only posted "ati issues" in the other topic because ATI software is not as convenient as Nvidia's, and most likely inferior since they don't update nearly as often. (ie. CCC doesn't have the system monitor like Nvidia's system tools does)


Edit: Yep, I reintroduced myself into Oblivion after downloading the awesome Quarl's texture/graphics-mod and mods that spruce up the environment. You should try OOO, Qarl's Texture Mod, etc
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 10:05:47 PM

Well the PSU is a crappy Dell 305 watter. Since its from Dell its obviously OLD/USED and has degraded overtime.

Now you take the crappy used PSU and OC your CPU and GPU, and ask why does it artifact? Use your brain, next time before you shoot your mouth out for help.

You would be amazed at the extra stress overclocking can cause on shi t hardware.
April 12, 2009 10:13:35 PM

Bluescreendeath said:
Well technically, nowhere in my post am I actually blaming the entire ATI company for anything.

I only posted "ati issues" in the other topic because ATI software is not as convenient as Nvidia's, and most likely inferior since they don't update nearly as often. (ie. CCC doesn't have the system monitor like Nvidia's system tools does)


Edit: Yep, I reintroduced myself into Oblivion after downloading the awesome Quarl's texture/graphics-mod and mods that spruce up the environment. You should try OOO, Qarl's Texture Mod, etc


I didn't necessarily mean this thread.

Yeah qarl's is one of my favorite mods. That and bow damage balance mod and realistic arrow flight path mod.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 10:23:57 PM

daship said:
Well the PSU is a crappy Dell 305 watter. Since its from Dell its obviously OLD/USED and has degraded overtime.
Now you take the crappy used PSU and OC your CPU and GPU, and ask why does it artifact? Use your brain, next time before you shoot your mouth out for help.
You would be amazed at the extra stress overclocking can cause on shi t hardware.


Stop trolling.

I've done the research. Dell PSUs are actually not crap, and my PSU is more than enough to handle both the minor OCing of the CPU and the GPU. If you have no idea what you're talking about, then stfu because you're not helping.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 10:25:58 PM

Quote:

Apparently you dont have a clue because I actually find Catalyst control center easier than Nvidia monitor and downloading Rivatuner separately.
Bye the way, I would never recommend any PCI-E card for a 305w psu, espcecially overclocked with an overclocked cpu too.


Nvidia monitor gives you info about the CPU, memory, motherboard, RAM, etc...CCC only gives you info on the GPU. So yes, I find the system monitor for Nvidia vastly superior compared to CCC.

Unless you're telling me that CCC also monitors the CPU, RAM, mobo, and system temperatures?

If not, then:
Nvidia System Monitor > CCC monitor


I've also checked various websites that show that a minor .24 GHz overclock on a E6300 only negligibly increases the power consumption. It should basically have no effect whatsoever.

I was running an overclocked 7600GT before with no problems, and I've compared power consumption charts - the 7600GT actually uses around the same power as the 4650.


And please do yourself a favor and read the other topics in this forum. Plenty of members here have suggested up to 9600GTs for the 305 watt PSU.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 10:32:18 PM

Bluescreendeath said:
Stop trolling.

I've done the research. Dell PSUs are actually not crap, and my PSU is more than enough to handle both the OCing of the CPU and the GPU.




Obviously you haven't done your homework. how old is that Dell PSU 2-3 years. If you did your research you would see PSU's as well as everything else degrade over time. I'm sure a new 305 watt PSU would run your piece of shi t if it were new and everything was running stock. Drop the GPU in your other rig, if it works, then get off your high horse and buy a real PSU.

If you had done research you might have come across this:
ATI Radeon™ HD 4600 Series – System Requirements
ATI Radeon™ HD 4600 System Requirements
PCI Express® based PC is required with one X16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard
400 Watt or greater power supply (550 Watt for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode) is recommended
Certified power supplies are recommended. Refer to http://ati.amd.com/certifiedPSU for a list of Certified products
1GB of system memory recommended
Installation software requires CD-ROM drive
DVD playback requires DVD drive
Blu-ray™ playback requires Blu-ray drive and full 1080p display requires a 1080p-capable monitor
To enable dual mode ATI CrossFireX™ technology, a second ATI Radeon™ HD 4600 Series graphics card, an ATI CrossFireX Ready motherboard and one ATI CrossFireX Bridge Interconnect cable (included) is required.


Oh wow 400watt with stock speeds, what a noob. Talk about trolling. Go buy a PSU and get a life idiot!
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 10:35:24 PM

daship said:

Oh wow 400watt with stock speeds, what a noob. Talk about trolling. Go buy a PSU and get a life idiot!


btw, to show you how much of an idiot you are, read some posts by old members who actually know stuff about power requirements:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/260855-33-4650-4670-l...

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/260233-33-overcloking...

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/262099-33-dirt-cheap-...


I was able to run a 7600GT overclocked on my PC with no problems.
The 7600GT @ stock speeds draws 65watts.
The 4670 draws 60 watts. The 4650 even less.

retard
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 10:39:25 PM

Im not going to sit and argue with a retard. I guess your a expert so you will realize eventually that you need a new PSU. No matter how long you wait someone wont come in here and snap their fingers to give you the magic driver you seek to make your PSU better.

You never answered the hold old is the Dell PSU. So add the degration = FAIL!

Good Bye. Looser.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 10:45:22 PM

Do some research you can find more then 3 post that people are trying to do the same as you and failing the same as you. Just cause it works for one person don't mean it will work for you.

Get off your lazy ass and drop it in your main rig. if it work buy a PSU, If it don't RMA the card.

However since your such a idiot, you probably will bork the driver install and have 2 PCs with issues.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 10:55:22 PM

Simple fact:

I ran a 7600GT OCed GPU with NO PROBLEMS. The 4650@stock uses LESS power than the 7600GT@stock.

This is simple mathematics.

You're a retard. That'a fact.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 11:02:20 PM

We will see who the retard is when you realize you need a new PSU.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 11:03:25 PM

daship said:
We will see who the retard is when you realize you need a new PSU.


Why the hell would I need a new PSU if I upgraded to a graphics card that uses less power than my previous graphics card?

Are you mathematically challenged?
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 11:06:15 PM

Nvidia recommends 350watt for the 7600GT, ati recommends 400. Looks like your the retard.

It don't matter if your PSU has 30 amps, its old, my guess is 3 year plus of use, it has degraded, end of story you tight wad idiot. Ask your mommy to have the Easter bunny get you a new PSU.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 11:22:33 PM

Again, this shows you're an idiot. For two GPUs released almost 2 years apart, the other system components would be completely different. You need to look at the individual GPU power consumption, or have the GPUs tested with the same system.

Which is exactly what Tomshardware did:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-radeon-powe...

GeForce 7600 GT (256 MB)
2D 88w
3D 152w


The 7600GT uses more power than the 3650, which uses about the same amount of power as the 4650.
And this doesn't even take into account the fact I had heavily OCed my 7600GT, and only OCed the 4650 core clock by 25Mhz.









You fail.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 11:32:26 PM

Your PSU is old and you are retarded, I think your brain has degraded, or maybe never even developed.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 11:38:26 PM

My statement are backed by facts. Seriously, just stop posting because you're making yourself look stupid.

I'd like to hear a real 2nd opinion of this topic. Anyone else besides this idiot?
April 13, 2009 12:00:44 AM

LOL!!!!! how hard is it to just test the video card in your main rig....shut us all up and just try it and tell us the results...
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 12:16:13 AM

My main rig is in a different city.

And I've actually fixed the issue.

It was because my dx wasn't installed properly in my vista64.
So I booted into windows XP, installed Oblivion & DX9c, now everything works perfectly with no texture errors.

So it wasn't a driver issue, and it definately wasn't a PSU issue because now it's working perfectly with the core OCed by 50MHz and shaders OCed by 100MHz.
April 13, 2009 12:53:41 AM

OMG SHUT THE HELL UP! At 100% full load that rig would not use more than 200w. If the 7600 GT runs without problem then the 4650 will. Lets ignore all of that indisputable fact and consider the symptoms. Oh wait! A power problem WOULD NOT CAUSE TEXTURE POPPING! It would, at the very closest to texture popping, cause will texture artifacts. I don't give a f&^k if he is using a 100w power supply, the symptoms can NOT BE CAUSE BY LACK OF POWER!
April 13, 2009 1:04:52 AM

http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

Put in:
regular desktop motherboard
E6300
100% power draw
OC to 2100 @ v1.3
add 2 sticks of DDR2
1 4670
1 Sata driver
1 Combo burner
4 USB devices
1 Cathode light
3 120mm LED fans
100% system peak load
20% capacitor aging

You get a reading of 306w. This means that you need a generic 306w power supply to run the system, a decent one would be less. Now to take how much power this will draw (instructions directly from website). Take the reading(X), multiply it by .75. Then minus that by the the capacitor aging(Y) multiplied by 1.25 which will get you the power consumption(P). Take that and substitute that as the power consumption at (X) load.

Formula:

.75X-(1.25Y)=P
.75(306)-(1.25[20])=P
229.5-(1.25[20])=P
229.5-25=P
P=204.5w

204.5w at X load
204.5w at 100% load

There now go away.
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 4:56:55 AM

^ Thank you very much Raven. +1
!