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Bluescreendeath   06-22-2009 at 07:06:37 PM

Hi there,
I've read a few articles on the difference between t-junction temperature and t-case temperature for cpus.

Now I have an OCed E6300, and I recorded the temperature using Everest when under 90+% load.

My "CPU temperature" stays around 35'C-40'C while my Core #1 and Core #2 temperature ranges from 55'C-60'C

Since the thermal specification for the E6300 is 65'C, am I cutting it close? Should I go by CPU temperature or core temperature?

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Bluescreendeath   06-23-2009 at 04:02:03 AM
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Also, it's strange that a lot of other hardware reader reads my CPU temp at 30'C, which Everest states is actually my motherboard temperature.

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wuzy   06-23-2009 at 05:31:50 AM
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Thermal spec. for Conroe (your E6300) is 95C. A guy on XS used an IR thermo probe to confirm that and is the value now used by both CoreTemp and RealTemp.
Tj comes from on-die DTS and "CPU temperature" usually comes from sensor on motherboard (underneath the CPU).

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Bluescreendeath   06-23-2009 at 06:06:33 AM
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I see...so my actual temperature is around 35'C?

That means I can OC it quite a bit more. :D

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wuzy   06-23-2009 at 06:59:20 AM
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With good aircooling an E6300 usually tops out @533x7=3731.
You'll need RAM that can do 533Mhz w/ 1:1 of course. Should be pretty easy with P45/35.

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randomizer   06-23-2009 at 08:54:18 AM
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wuzy wrote :

Thermal spec. for Conroe (your E6300) is 95C.


Not Thermal Spec, Tjunction Max ;)

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wuzy   06-23-2009 at 09:10:21 AM
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randomizer wrote :

Not Thermal Spec, Tjunction Max ;)


Right right....

I forgot to add sand in my pussy today. :p

BSD, don't treat the values of 55-60C as an absolute. They just mean you've still got 40-35 units left till 95C, at which point the processor throttles.

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zipzoomflyhigh   06-23-2009 at 08:42:18 PM
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Are we talking about a 65nm Conroe E6300 or a 45nm Wolfdale E6300, big difference, hope you guys aren't giving him the wrong info.

I trust Coretemp after comparing it to several other temp programs.

Coretemp tells me the t-junc max is 85c, not 95c for my E6300.

Either way, your saying Core0 and core1 temps reported by coretemp is actually the tj. not the actual cpu temp? So If my temps read 65c thats not high, I can go all the way to 85c?

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wuzy   06-24-2009 at 04:32:56 AM
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Of course we're talking about the older Conroe E6300.

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2.33GHz OCed E6300


266x7 -> 333x7, easy to tell.
Pentium E6300 has 266x10.5


I don't read into my temperature readings. If I'm running stock then I just need to know the processor isn't throttling. e.g. I let my E6300@stock in the HTPC/NAS run as high as 73C under load, it's passively cooled.
If I'm overclocking then the higher workable freq. automatically requires you to cool it to a temperature much lower than Tj max for it to be stable.

Temperature doesn't kill AMD/Intel processors now, it's voltage.

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zipzoomflyhigh   06-24-2009 at 01:39:10 PM
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Of course we're talking about the older Conroe E6300.





When you say "WE", you mean the people replying are talking about the older E6300, because the OP never specified.


Yeah I know a Conroe E6300 has a multiplier of 7, howeve the OP never stated what E6300 he had or what multiplier, only the people replying, which led me to believe maybe the OP has a newer E6300.
I undervolt my E6300. It OC's from 1.86 to 3.45ghz at 1.2v. Stock voltage is 1.325.


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wuzy   06-24-2009 at 10:52:26 PM
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Read his siggy again, it's implied.
Would would BSD overclock it to 2.33Ghz if it runs @2.8Ghz stock???

Reading comprehension and paying attention to details will do you good. ;)

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randomizer   06-25-2009 at 10:15:06 AM
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zipzoomflyhigh wrote :

Are we talking about a 65nm Conroe E6300 or a 45nm Wolfdale E6300, big difference, hope you guys aren't giving him the wrong info.

I trust Coretemp after comparing it to several other temp programs.

Coretemp tells me the t-junc max is 85c, not 95c for my E6300.

Either way, your saying Core0 and core1 temps reported by coretemp is actually the tj. not the actual cpu temp? So If my temps read 65c thats not high, I can go all the way to 85c?


Well Core temp is probably still using the value that program developers pulled from Intel's Thermal Analysis Tool. This was all they could do without actually testing the chips, but since TAT was designed for mobile processors it just doesn't apply. Plus TAT hasn't been updated since 2006 so nobody considers it worth using for anything now.

The numbers Core Temp reports depend on your settings. By default it will report absolute temperatures (absolute is not equal to accurate), but can be changed to report the actual DTS output which is always the same regardless of which Tj Max you use.

Remember:

Absolute temps = Tj Max - DTS output.

If you want accurate temps then calibrate Real Temp or Speedfan. Trusting any program without calibration requires as much faith as selling an item on eBay and shipping it out before getting paid.

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zipzoomflyhigh   06-25-2009 at 02:23:55 PM
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wuzy wrote :

Read his siggy again, it's implied.
Would would BSD overclock it to 2.33Ghz if it runs @2.8Ghz stock???

Reading comprehension and paying attention to details will do you good. ;)




I never read his siggy to begin with, sorry, I was reading the actual post, so its not an issue of reading comprehension. Since I'm an English major, I'm sure my reading comprehension is much more advanced than your high school education.

Besides, if you were intelligent enough to pay attention to details in YOUR OWN POST, you would realize you started a sentence with "would would". LOL


Too bad the OP isn't knowledgeable enough to actually tell us what cpu he has, instead of everyone making guesses using clues.


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