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March 20, 2009 11:10:20 AM

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Building a new computer for mother in law. Going for a budget build with a little bit of punch. Will mostly be used for email, word processing and Browsing. MIL (mother in law) is getting a new hdtv so I want to be able to hook up the computer to tv to watch movies @ full 1080 without stuttering and occasionally play cod4 when I am bored while visiting.

I have the build picked out but I am stuck between using amd or intel mobo/chip. I have never used amd before but I am considering doing so because I think the ati on board graphics will perform better than the nvidia on board for the two mobs i have selected as possibilities.

Is there anything special about amd chips that I might not know about?

Did I pick out a good amd mobo and chip?

Would the amd out perform the intel mobo/chip?


Thanks guys

Intel setup
Mobo
GIGABYTE GA-73PVM-S2H
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Chip
Intel Pentium E5200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Amd setup
Mobo
ASUS M3A78-EM AM2+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Chip
AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 Kuma 2.7GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Rest of Build

Case
Rosewill R115-P BK
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PS
Antec earthwatts EA380 380W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hd
WD2500AAJS 250G
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD
Lite on sata
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor
Hanns·G HW-191DPB Black 19"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I allready bought the case, ram, and monitor.

Thanks

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March 20, 2009 11:17:56 AM

I would go with the Intel build, but change the motherboard to this one, IMO its the best budget intel board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Nvidia chipsets tend to have problems so I like to keep my distance.

The Intel Chip overclocks much better than the AMD chip and is the best CPU option for gamers on a tight budget. Thing is though that the AMD board does have better onboard graphics, but I doubt you will be able to play COD with any of these onboard chipsets, especially at 1080P resolution. I would buy a discrete GPU if you wanted that option, otherwise you won't be able to game, even on that 19" I don't think. If you wanted to be able to game with onboard graphics, I think you need to step up to the 790GX chipset:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

If you want to be able to game at least at medium settings, then I suggest you get this combo with that intel mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
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March 20, 2009 5:11:57 PM

LOL, overclocking the mother-in-law's PC is a bad move. Especially if all she wants is to watch movies. Don't even think about it.

If you buy a discrete GPU, you better pay for it 100% out of your own pocket. The MIL doesn't need it at all. You may need it for CoD. If you make her pay for the GPU and you're caught you'll never hear the end of it.

Have you considered buying a Dell or HP or similar for her? That way you're not responsible for support, and save the $100 for the operating system.
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March 20, 2009 5:33:24 PM

you're a good guy.

if i had a MIL, i'd probably try to sell her my K63-550 for $750 :lol: 

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March 20, 2009 6:02:32 PM

If you get an Intel board, you might justify throwing on something like a HD4650 since the Intel can't do HDMI. If you go AMD on a 790GX, then aevm's advice is good; pay for the GPU yourself, or be prepared to face the music.
Furthermore, if you agree that overclocking her PC is a bad idea, go AMD. The 5200 is a mutt at stock.

March 21, 2009 12:43:29 AM

under 500 for the entire build I allready spent 160 on the monitor ram and case so the laptop is out. Thanks for the hdmi link. really just looking for advice on which motherboard and chip to buy.
March 21, 2009 12:47:30 AM

jcknouse said:
you're a good guy.

if i had a MIL, i'd probably try to sell her my K63-550 for $750 :lol: 



lol thought about giving her my old hp laptop too.

Its for her bday so we are paying for the build out of pocket. Honestly this computer is only going to be used for email but I want it to last for a while and once a month when i visit to be able to play cod4 or half life on the 19 inch monitor (med settings is fine).

also already have the os, 32 bit xp ( i know im getting 4gb of ram) but she doesnt want to learn vista yet.
March 21, 2009 2:32:21 AM

Best on-board graphics are the ATI 790GX, like this one
GIGABYTE GA-MA790GP-UD4H AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
next in line
GIGABYTE GA-MA78GPM-DS2H AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Both of these have Combo Deals at Newegg. Open the link, Scroll down on the left side click on "Combo Deals".

The MA78 Combo has 2 quad core deals for $169.98
The 9850 needs a HSF where the 9600 has one included (Heat-Sink Fan)
add 4G's of that ram you picked out and you have a winner.

With either of these boards you can add up to a HD4650 Graphics card and cross-fire with the on-board graphics to make a mid level gamer, or you can disable the onboard graphics and go to something with more game. For a quiet PC look at this card.
GIGABYTE GV-R485MC-1GI Radeon HD 4850 1GB 256-bit GDDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

There are cards for a little less but this one is Silent. MIL isnt going to say "whats all that noise about" and you are going to get some good game out of it.
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March 21, 2009 2:35:40 AM

You also need a quality PSU, and the Antec Earthwatts 380 is one; great if that's what you got. The OCZ Fatal1ty looks good, but I haven't read any competent technical reviews, and the only comments (on a jonnyguru forum) suggested avoiding them. They are apparently made by Sirtec.
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March 21, 2009 2:40:55 AM

A fanless 4850 will run hot, and is right on the edge of what an Antec Earthwatts 380 can handle. What she will be running will not likely get any card out of 2D mode, so the fan on the GPU will likely never ramp up. On a 19" monitor, with medium settings in games being acceptable, a 4650 should be sufficient.
March 21, 2009 2:46:49 AM

knotknut said:
Best on-board graphics are the ATI 790GX, like this one
GIGABYTE GA-MA790GP-UD4H AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
next in line
GIGABYTE GA-MA78GPM-DS2H AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Both of these have Combo Deals at Newegg. Open the link, Scroll down on the left side click on "Combo Deals".

The MA78 Combo has 2 quad core deals for $169.98
The 9850 needs a HSF where the 9600 has one included (Heat-Sink Fan)
add 4G's of that ram you picked out and you have a winner.

With either of these boards you can add up to a HD4650 Graphics card and cross-fire with the on-board graphics to make a mid level gamer, or you can disable the onboard graphics and go to something with more game. For a quiet PC look at this card.
GIGABYTE GV-R485MC-1GI Radeon HD 4850 1GB 256-bit GDDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

There are cards for a little less but this one is Silent. MIL isnt going to say "whats all that noise about" and you are going to get some good game out of it.





Ok

The second one looks good - GIGABYTE GA-MA78GPM

I want to get this combo deal

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400 Brisbane 2.8GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core black edition Processor Model ADO5400DSWOF - Retail
GIGABYTE GA-MA78GPM-DS2H AM2+/AM2

But the spec page for the chip says that the hsf is not included but its retail? Could that just be a typo i dont want to get a after market hsf
March 21, 2009 3:03:51 AM

don't get that chip, get the x2 7750 BE at least. If you can afford it, PII x3 720BE
March 21, 2009 3:22:43 AM

Not a typo. The Black edition processors don't come with a HSF. You need aftermarket something like:
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This fan does a good job and is quiet. Fan is rubber mounted.

Heres the Asus version of the same thing for $131.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

The two boards I use are 1st Gigabyte 2nd Asus. They both are Top Quality.

Not to knock the Kuma but I'm sure MIL will be more than happy with Brisbane 2.8.

Here's the KUMA 7750 at Biiz for $59.00 plus shipping
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=AD775ZWC
Pair that with GIGABYTE GA-MA78GPM-DS2H AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI $94.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$153.99 for the Two

I found the AC Freezer Pro for $18.99
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=FAN-AC6PRO

On a side note:
My oldest PC in the house runs the Home Theater. The Graphics card is a X850Pro. It had a noisy HSF so I replaced it with an Artic Cooling Fanless GPU cooler. The temps are the same as when it had a fan on it. I would not be drawn back from the passive coolers on a everyday PC and the reviews are very good on the 4850.
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