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The Crysis Killer! (4890 X2 rumor)

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April 13, 2009 4:19:01 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ati-radeon-gpu-gra...

According to reports, the new card will have both GPUs running at least at 1 GHz core clock speed. Depending on the SKU, customers should be seeing 2 GB and 4 GB cards. The specs are not fully confirmed yet, but we'll let you know when we hear anything different. said:
According to reports, the new card will have both GPUs running at least at 1 GHz core clock speed. Depending on the SKU, customers should be seeing 2 GB and 4 GB cards. The specs are not fully confirmed yet, but we'll let you know when we hear anything different.


A 4890 @ 1Ghz core clock can beat a GTX 285 OC'd. This thing will be a monster! I am excited if this is true, not because I want one, but from a pure enthusiast's point of view, this is the V16 engine of the computer world!

I call it right now, how much will it costs? $700 is my guess.
April 13, 2009 4:40:40 PM

$650-$700 is probbaly a good estimation. Which means it wont sell, people will opt for the GTX 295 @ $200 cheaper instead once they get into this mindset.
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 5:03:31 PM

People will buy it. The absolute last thing on anyone purchasing a card in this tier is price/performance (well maybe not last.. waranty beyond 2 years might be last given the upgrade cycle of anyone with a couple of these would be 6 months)... This will clearly be the best of the best single slot cards (we will see what nvidia can manage to throw out with a 295+) which is all it needs to be for alright sales at this tier, regardless of the price premium.. But man.. 2 1ghz cores? the thing must have a 3 slot cooler and 4 power connections... Although this explains where all the 1ghz cherry picked gpu's are gonna end up.

If people bought the 295 over a 4870x2, those same people will buy this.. god knows why... but they will.

PS. So that means quadfire with these would need what? 1600W and a i7 clocked at 4Ghz? lol
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April 13, 2009 5:05:21 PM

Well no it will sell and that is the sad part. It is the FASTEST and many people will pay the extra money solely for that title. It is what is happening now with the GTX 295 and what happened to 4870 X2, 9800 GX2, 3870 X2, 8800 Ultra, 1900 XTX...
April 13, 2009 5:15:49 PM

True. People that are buying in this tier dont care about their money. Yesterday I was thinking about Steping-Up my GTX 285 for a GTX 295, then I woke up from the nightmare.
April 13, 2009 5:41:18 PM

i think it will go for $500 to $550, don't think it will sell for anything near $700
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 5:47:51 PM

It will sell for whatever 2 OC'd 4890's sell for plus a permium that would be entirely up to ati (probably 5 or 6 %). I dont expect this card for a little while and 500-550 by the time it comes out seems like a reasonable prediction.
a c 106 U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 5:57:14 PM

A 4890 X2 will only come about if board partners want one enough. My guess is that Sapphire may be the only one, just like they were the only one to put out a 4850 X2. It would require a more complex PCB design to handle the insane amount of heat that card would generate and the insane amount of power it would consume. I don't think that AMD feels the pressure right now to have a higher preforming top end card to induce the halo effect so for now putting out a 4890X2 is more trouble than it's worth, especially when you consider that they are busy designing their DX11 cards, as is NVIDIA, which should be out by the end of this year, or at least the beginning of next year.

For now if you want 4-way crossfire on the 4890 you will need a board with 4 8x PCI-E slots and an extended ATX case to fit them in :D .
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 7:02:18 PM

If AMD can place it about $50-60 higher than a GTX285 then they will have quite a good market.
April 13, 2009 7:11:08 PM

crysis killer? yeah right.
April 13, 2009 7:23:45 PM

Which crysis? the economic crysis with those prices! :) 
I doubt it ment crysis the game yeah go ati on a driver dependent graphics board in a nvidia bais game.
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 7:24:02 PM

i want 2 of these in X-Fire's so i can play WOW! Just kidding. But seriously, i thought that they werent going to come out with a 4890 x 2... lets hope for decent prices...
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 7:32:54 PM

Well, as sad as it is. Havign a halo product, even one with such absurd requirements as this will have reguarding coolign and power consumption, means an aweful lot to the sales a company gets.

It means a lot to the averge brainless zombie that buys things to buy a product from a company he/she knows has the fastest cards around.. even if they are only in the market for a 4850 level performer..

Of course even more sad is how many of these will probably sell in their own right.. even for the rediculous premium.. and the requirement for a second power supply...(lol?)
April 13, 2009 7:43:45 PM

IzzyCraft said:
Which crysis? the economic crysis with those prices! :) 
I doubt it ment crysis the game yeah go ati on a driver dependent graphics board in a nvidia bais game.


lol dude i want to hit u after u made that joke...
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 7:45:50 PM

It's not just about ATI having the fastest single board gpu, it is a chance for every one of ATI's partners to have the fastest single board gpu.

I'd be amazed if they don't all at least try it.
April 13, 2009 10:18:35 PM

its funny seeing that oced at 950-1000 it exchanges blows witha stock 285 GTX, yet it can't beat an oced 285 gtx....which just says 285 GTX Oc'ed.

Which I think its doubtful that seeing a 285 GTX @ 648 mhz oced to the 720 mhz we see couldn't bring 10-20% increase over the stock 285 GTX....why couldn't it beat the 4890 which basically means a 17% faster 4890 than stock

anyways.

I wonder how many reactors this will need, and how many Acs you'll need next to it:) 
April 13, 2009 10:22:57 PM



The 285 GTX is on avg 14% faster by these charts than the 4890 single GPU, so the 100 mhz should make the 4890 3 % faster (since 1000 mhz means a 17% increase).

4890 @ 1000 mhz > 285 GTX

Yes, marginally 3%

4890 @ 1000 mhz < 285 GTX OC

yes, with exception to grid, maybe.

hopefully the 4890 will put that worthless 295 GTX out of business. 6 months later and only roughly 10-15% faster card at 100$ more...peice of sh!t.

500$ paper weights any1? Which would u like BFG or EVGA brand?
April 13, 2009 10:44:03 PM

the 4890 with 850MHz core has a TDP of 190W. a 4890 x2 with 1 GHz core would have a TDP of 400W+ if it's build using the same die as the single 4890 currently available. This is only my guess, but I think AMD would have to build it on a 40 nm process to make it viable without a massive cooler or sold as water cooling only.

the 4770 will come out on 40 nm in early May, so It seems possible that a 4890 x2 available at a slightly later date could be built on 40 nm as well.
April 13, 2009 10:59:43 PM

umm

no

see if u see the benchmark comparison u will see reference nvidia compared to normal company based ati cards (BTW IF U WANNA BUY A 4890 GO 4 XFXs XXX or ASUS TOP WITH TUNER) now u can see benchmarks of normal cards on www.fudzilla.com see the gainward so basicly in short term 275 and 4890 do exchange blows but 275 gives more since stock 275 is a tiny little bit more than xfx 4890 xxx at 900 mhz. so a 285.................... no and if u search and digg u will find that the manufacturers said ( i mean said) that 4890 is to beat 260 216 since we all know its nvidia top seller not 285 so why argue wth somthing the manufacturers didnt. so a 4890x2 will definitly beat gtx 295 only because a 295 has low clocks now if u own a 295 just overclock it at least get the 275 clocks and ur good to go. BUT 4 ME ALTHOUGH A GTX 275 IS BETTER i go 4 4890 why u ask i can oc my 4890 to 1g if i am lucky...(now nvidia fanboys will say yes but u can oc the 275) I KNOW it wil perform better i saw it. still prefare 4890 (now fanboys will say yes but 275 is 20 $ more ONLY) i also KNOW. what i hate about 275 is the fact SHITTI transistors wee used hell it takes more power than 285 see wikipedia type gtx 200 series and read power consumption. now we dont need 4 g version and we dont need 4890 x2 just increase tle bus speed on 4870x2 which ofcourse increase the prise a lot. this is whyati use 256 bus with ddr5 to compensate just use 512 on 4870x2 and we r good 2 go thrown i taken back
April 13, 2009 11:36:24 PM

Don't reference wiki plz, I'll just go and change it to say 295 GTX is actually a single GPU, and has 5 gigs of memory bandwidth.

Would 512 benefit the 4870 or 90 yes, but it come sat a cost, with GDDR5 and 256 bit, they save money, which gives them the upground, and lets them charge alot and lower prices as they see fit.

is 512 bit an option yes, would it benefit again yes. Is it cost of affect, I would say not. Taking the same gpu and making a dual GPU on 1 PCB, with out increase the bus width is very cost effective.

I mean with the 256 bit bus width the GDDr5 is pretty much the same as a 512 bus width with GDDR3, but I would have to say more efficient.

ATI is trying to attack both sides of the 295 GTX, the price and performance. And I guarantee you that with the clock increase of the 4890 (especially a 17% increase over stock 4890, and 27% increase over stock 4870), it should be able to put the smack down on the 295 GTX.

the 4890 shows a massive 30% improvement (give or take) and will be exactly what the 295 GTX was, it will be 10-15% faster than the 295 GTX. (opinion, mixed with calculations).

And yes, I think it should be 40 nm, so we can see it push OC capabilities, heat and power draw.

Although none of these cards are for me because I hate dual GPU single cards, I think we should see a good fight.

We should see ATI hold the crown for a good while now, because I doubt Nvidia will want to top it till its next series.

The 295 GTX and 275 GTX seem like flop and unecessary cards, especially with the 4870 X2 and 4890 having amazing price tags.

I still think ur better off buying a 260 GTX which is alot cheaper or a 285 GTX (which is alot more expensive buts its not a wannb card like a 275, which in my opinion is a broken 285).

Buts thats my opinon. We should see the 285 GTX having a price drop soon:) . Hopefully.



April 26, 2009 1:26:39 AM

The_Blood_Raven said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ati-radeon-gpu-gra...



A 4890 @ 1Ghz core clock can beat a GTX 285 OC'd. This thing will be a monster! I am excited if this is true, not because I want one, but from a pure enthusiast's point of view, this is the V16 engine of the computer world!

I call it right now, how much will it costs? $700 is my guess.


got my hd 4890 off of newegg for $275
April 26, 2009 6:21:02 AM

vapezilla said:
got my hd 4890 off of newegg for $275

And what does this have to do with the conversation about a possibility of a 4890x2 card?
April 26, 2009 2:31:01 PM

LOL

cmon people stop it what do u want u want ati to waste time on somthing that wont sell???? because of price . wont beat 295 (if the 295 is at stoc) or u want ati to focus on 40 nm dx 11 ...... cards

and 4890 takes about 190 watt at load at stock if oc to 1 ghz well lets say its at 200 watt which is impossible x2 = 400 watt for a single 1 in crossfire = 800 watt??!?!?! so basicly u use a 1000 watt psu just 4 these let alone the whole system its impossible if done they might lower the clocks which will be usless
April 26, 2009 4:11:45 PM

ppls what are you talking about now that the new 45nm tech is out and in the end of 2009 i heard somthing about 32nm tech of cpu i belive it will get to the gpu soon it means less watt more power price i dont know and there is the ddr5 and the xdr memory which the ps3 has and maybe it too will be on the next jen of gpu i have 8800 gts sli im going to stay with it at list till end of 2009 and then i will buy top end monster like my corent specs :) 
a b U Graphics card
May 13, 2009 8:44:26 AM

hoodlum80 said:
ppls what are you talking about now that the new 45nm tech is out and in the end of 2009 i heard somthing about 32nm tech of cpu i belive it will get to the gpu soon it means less watt more power price i dont know and there is the ddr5 and the xdr memory which the ps3 has and maybe it too will be on the next jen of gpu i have 8800 gts sli im going to stay with it at list till end of 2009 and then i will buy top end monster like my corent specs :) 


What the hell did you just type? lol

The current dies are aiming for 40nm, not 45. 32nm would be quite a ways off still.
May 13, 2009 11:55:26 AM

^ well amd/ati is moving to 28nm next so maybe Q3/4 2010?

also a 1ghz oc'ed 4890 uses about 160w at load not 190w, so maybe 305w total for a 4890 X2 card, and I don't think $550 is unreasonable since ATi has shown that their dual GPU internal crossfire cards perform better than two single gpu cards in external crossfire.
May 13, 2009 1:07:46 PM

L1qu1d said:

hopefully the 4890 will put that worthless 295 GTX out of business. 6 months later and only roughly 10-15% faster card at 100$ more...peice of sh!t.

The GTX295 is not worthless.

And I don’t like people like you that is in favour of one company even if that company is nvidia or ati.
May 13, 2009 1:33:58 PM

Jaysin said:
What the hell did you just type? lol

The current dies are aiming for 40nm, not 45. 32nm would be quite a ways off still.



dont be piki so its 45 nm u r right but still in the not so far futur there is talking about 32 nm cpu's this is the bottom line
May 13, 2009 1:42:59 PM

hoodlum80 said:
ppls what are you talking about now that the new 45nm tech is out and in the end of 2009 i heard somthing about 32nm tech of cpu i belive it will get to the gpu soon it means less watt more power price i dont know and there is the ddr5 and the xdr memory which the ps3 has and maybe it too will be on the next jen of gpu i have 8800 gts sli im going to stay with it at list till end of 2009 and then i will buy top end monster like my corent specs :) 



This is the craziest *** I've ever read :)  lol, lol, lol.....
Priceless!
May 13, 2009 1:50:46 PM

here is more

http://forum.****/xtreme-news/15322-nvidia-gt212-q2.html
May 13, 2009 1:52:21 PM

Euphoria_MK said:
This is the craziest *** I've ever read :)  lol, lol, lol.....
Priceless!



why crazy plz explain ur self
May 13, 2009 2:09:43 PM

hoodlum80 said:
why crazy plz explain ur self


Lol, where do I start..... poorly structured sentence, no commas, periods, "spelling" is a science fiction novel,.... hard to read and understand. Even if you get over that and you finally decode the message you intended to convey, it's plagued with incorrect info.

Kids nowadays... I kinda understand, it's hard to stand out and be "cool" :) 

Cheers
May 13, 2009 2:44:23 PM

english isnt my born language and i dont have the time to serch in the dictionary and some of the words are shortcut like u = you r = are as i was saying dont be picky but if i made you laugh its fine by me
May 13, 2009 3:26:08 PM

Dude, I really dont know whats your point.... First you are talking about some nonexistent 45nm manufacturing than about the next 32nm manufacturing. Then you throw around some specs like ddr5 and xdr and ps3. Nothing is related and now you are posting articles first about the next Intel 32nm CPU and then about the gt300. I just don't see any correlation....

What's your point? It has nothing to do with the original post and the topic of this conversation.

I don't mean to sound rude, but you can put all these different news you want to post under separate topics in this forum, since GT300 has nothing to do with HD4890x2 and both of the cards have nothing to do with the next INtel CPU and or the "XDR" PS3... lol

Cheers
May 13, 2009 3:44:21 PM

making long story short...Crysis killer...what we have here that’s one „so-hated-sandwich“ made of two 4890 at 1000 Mhz (and probably higher memory clock). This "beast" should be more or less same as 4890CF, only with higher clock but there is no confirmed info whether this will boost something, maybe little but significantly surely not. Being generous...10% and that’s already very generous!
Crysis Warhead at 1920*1200 maxed out (4xFSAA, 16xAF) - 4890 CF = 31fps and 10% more = 34fps...this is average with killer CPU (i7 965). Price approximately 500 USD if it’s targeting GTX 295 in competition. There is only one aim of this GPU and hence to win crown back from GTX 295 and became flagship of the market...but Crysis killer – no way....we must wait for new generation...
May 13, 2009 4:25:45 PM

i will try to make my self more clear

the tred here talks about the nvidia 295 and the new 4890 ati i say wait there are better stuff in the horizon the mem that i talked about may be in the next gen of gpu and the next arch may also be in the next gpu generation.... sevi
hope i cleard my self take evething in ease

cheers mate(r u from Australia )
May 13, 2009 8:38:28 PM

Quadfire of 4890X2 4gb?!!! Thats like 8 gigs of ddr5 thrown in just for graphics!
// i slap myself in the face and hope to wake up from this dream
May 13, 2009 8:46:55 PM

michaelmk86 said:
The GTX295 is not worthless.

And I don’t like people like you that is in favour of one company even if that company is nvidia or ati.


Wow just wow. You just called L1qu1d biased? He is about the most brutally honest person on these forums.

The only thing I have a problem with is that he hates on dual GPU solutions (3870 X2/9800 GX2/4870 X2/GTX 295) a lot because he had some terrible experience with the 9800 GX2. The only reason I have a problem with this is because I haven't, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

Since he was comparing 3 of the cards he dislikes then I can't see how he was biased, especially since what he said was the general consensus, there is basically no reason to purchase a GTX 295 over a 4870 X2 if you must have one of the 2. 2 4890s or 2 GTX 275s would be much better than both in many ways while if you can only fit 1 card then a single 4890 or GTX 275 is plenty considering you can't afford a crossfire/SLI board. If you are planing to SLI or crossfire dual GPUs like the 4870 X2 or GTX 295 off the bat then you are wasting money since 3 4890s or 3 GTX 275s for less will perform better.
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