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a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 6:50:39 PM

Hey All,

I'm currently running a 3.6ghz, Dell Dimension 8400 with a x800gt video card (Pretty sure it's the 128mb version), 4gb ram, - 2 monitors, 1-22" and 1-17" , Windows XP, and think it's about time to update the card at the very least. Based on what I've been able to pull from a google search, the psu is a 350w. I'd like to spend around $200, give or take a bit. The card isn't bad but I feel like it should be able to pull more fps, even in games like WoW which aren't totally system intensive. Not averaging more that 40 at good times, 15 in laggy areas. I'd rather not upgrade the psu at this point, but it's always on option. Actually, upgrading just about anything is an option - but I don't really know most of my specs for mb and such and haven't had time to be on my system lately to get the info.

More or less, what would you guys suggest for the vid card, if I could keep that psu? I'm pretty sure that model is PCI e.

Any and all comments and suggestions are very welcomed. Thanks!

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a c 187 U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 7:07:53 PM

Correct! It does have a 350W supply and a PCI-Ex16 slot.
The HD4670 is what I`d suggest, it`s much more powerful than your current card
and does n`t need an extra power connector so it`s simple to install.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 7:13:15 PM

coozie7 said:
Correct! It does have a 350W supply and a PCI-Ex16 slot.
The HD4670 is what I`d suggest, it`s much more powerful than your current card
and does n`t need an extra power connector so it`s simple to install.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That one? The price point seems low, but that's great if that's the case.
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a c 187 U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 7:18:09 PM

That type, yes.
Are the connectors what you need? And will the fan fit in your case, it looks quite high and my conflict with other slots?
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 7:23:29 PM

coozie7 said:
That type, yes.
Are the connectors what you need? And will the fan fit in your case, it looks quite high and my conflict with other slots?


Yea, that particular unit does look a bit large. I just wanted to verify the type, more than anything else. I will check space and connection when I can get to my desktop in the next few days. It's seemingly difficult to shop for major components when not near your machine. :p 
a c 187 U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 7:29:51 PM

I`m just being cautious. After all, I do n`t know what is in your case and recommending a card that might conflict with installed hardware or not connect with your monitors would be a little improper of me.:) 
April 13, 2009 7:31:25 PM

If you plan on upgrading the powersupply, you might find that you will need to modify the case metal to fit. I have a dimension 4550 which has the same case as your 8400 and I had to cut and bend some metal to get a new psu to fit. The psu that comes with the case is just a smidge smaller than standard atx psu's.

If you need more help if you change your psu, let me know.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 7:34:05 PM

coozie7 said:
I`m just being cautious. After all, I do n`t know what is in your case and recommending a card that might conflict with installed hardware or not connect with your monitors would be a little improper of me.:) 


No, I appreciate it. It's the standard 8400 case, it's fairly sizeable - cnet has the width @7.1" with potential spill over from the fan - but I think the biggest I saw was like 6.5" or something. I'm being cautious too, as I am able to do my own comp work, but don't pretend to know anything of the connections and space until I've worked on it. And I've yet to replace a vid card on my own, so here we are. =)
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 8:33:19 PM

rabidbunny said:
If you plan on upgrading the powersupply, you might find that you will need to modify the case metal to fit. I have a dimension 4550 which has the same case as your 8400 and I had to cut and bend some metal to get a new psu to fit. The psu that comes with the case is just a smidge smaller than standard atx psu's.

If you need more help if you change your psu, let me know.



If my current psu is 350, and the recommended is 400 for this card, is that going to be a huge issue or is that more of a "you should use it if you can, but..." type of scenario?
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 10:19:07 PM

Quote:
If my current psu is 350, and the recommended is 400 for this card, is that going to be a huge issue or is that more of a "you should use it if you can, but..." type of scenario?


No, it won't. Dell PSU's are generally of outstanding quality. Also, the "requirements" for powering video cards are inflated quite a bit to take into account the low quality PSU's that exist. Consult this chart for actual power draw ratings of modern video cards. You'll find the 4670 somewhere in the 40-50W range, I think.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 11:36:58 PM

RazberyBandit said:
No, it won't. Dell PSU's are generally of outstanding quality. Also, the "requirements" for powering video cards are inflated quite a bit to take into account the low quality PSU's that exist. Consult this chart for actual power draw ratings of modern video cards. You'll find the 4670 somewhere in the 40-50W range, I think.


In your professional opinions, should I go for the GDDR4 over the 3, will it be a noticeable difference or have any adverse effects on my system performance? It' only like a $10 price difference.
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 11:53:27 PM

GDDR4 typically draws ever so slightly more power than GDDR3, which is bad in systems where power is questionable to begin with, but it will (should maybe?) also have slightly increased memory bandwidth, which is a plus.

Seeing as Apollo seems to be the only company consistently throwing GDDR4 (Sapphire now has GDDR4 on 1 version of the 4670, specifically) into ATI cards, and I have no experience with Apollo whatsoever, I can't offer anything in terms of how well it actually works. Their just don't seem to be any benchmarks of the GDDR4 models for comparison's sake at all.

To put purchase worries at ease, if you happen to be shopping and comparing the 4670 models on Newegg, the GDDR4 ones all have standard or 30-day return policies, which means you could return it for refund or exchange if you don't like it's performance.

Also, how about supplying us a full list of all installed components, including the PSU's total wattage and 12V amp ratings? There are tools to find out just how much power you actually need to run the system, like this one.
April 14, 2009 2:41:51 AM

The HD 4670 more than likely draws less power than the X800GT. I had an X800GTO, and it needed a 4-pin molex power plug.

Either way, power usage of the two cards is VERY similar, so you shouldn't have a problem.
a b U Graphics card
April 14, 2009 2:58:06 AM

Incorrect, Dekasav. It draws slightly more power than the X800GT. Look at the chart I linked. See the X800GT at 40W with the HD4670 at 47W? Just a little more power hungry... Not much at all.
April 14, 2009 3:34:26 AM

For $200 you could get a $50 case, a $50 PSU and a $100 video card. But lol that's alot of trouble and is maxing out your bugdet. Just a thought though. On newegg I personally like the Coolermaster 590 case, i "think" it's about $60 right now though. You can get a good reliable seasonic or corsair PSU that's 400W for about $50-60. And man... I have an x800GT on an AGP slot, you won't believe the improvement you get, even buying like a $60 4XXX series card.

By the way, is your X800GT an AGP or PCI x16 slot? cause if it's AGP like mine you will be VERY limited in what is available.
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