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GTX 295 vs 4870x2?

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April 13, 2009 9:12:57 PM

Classic question i must admit, but since i'm on the lookout for gfx and i want top of the line, can someone tell me what the differences are? Which one is better at what?

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a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 9:16:50 PM

They are about the same. The GTX295 is only marginally better, but I think the 4870x2 is cheaper.
April 13, 2009 9:28:06 PM

the 295 GTX is 10-15% faster, not worth the extra 100$ in general you pay for it
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a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 9:39:32 PM

Depends on the game. In general though, SLI or crossfire leads to a few more headaches/incompatibilities (so give serious consideration to the 4890 and 285.)
April 13, 2009 9:43:40 PM

EXT64 said:
Depends on the game. In general though, SLI or crossfire leads to a few more headaches/incompatibilities (so give serious consideration to the 4890 and 285.)


What are these headaches and incompatibilities? Right now I'm trying to decide between a 295 or two 285s? I'll be running either on an i7 / p6t deluxe v2 build. Also considering connecting a 19" lcd in addition to my 24" if that matters.
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 9:46:19 PM

I made it sound worse than it really is. I just meant in some (even brand new) games you end up with 1 card instead of the 2 you paid for. Also, since the drivers are more complex you can end up with a few more oddities. That said, I really liked my 6800GT SLI back in the day. I just think it is best to start with one top of the line card and add a second in SLI/Crossfire down the road if you need it.
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 9:48:47 PM

gtx295 is a faster card but i would hold off just a bit more till the 4890x2 comes out since it seems like you want top of the line.
a c 105 U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 9:49:45 PM

If you can afford to do it............ the 2 - 285's. Will run cooler and get better performance. The 295, although better than the 9800gx2, ( 2 on 1 ) will hold heat like a wool blanket. ...... Having said that, 2 OC'ed GTX260's in sli are pretty un-stoppable but I still like the idea of having at least 1gig of memory on a card. Good Luck.
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2009 9:51:05 PM

SLi/Xfire gives you more power for performance, but if you get, say a 4850x2 which wasn't supported by official ATI drivers, then you'll have bugs and performance issues in games.

I currently have two 9800GTXs (1 GTX and 1 GTX+), and the only issuefor me is I need to disable one to play really old games. It works perfectly for newer games.
April 13, 2009 10:34:57 PM

swifty_morgan said:
The 295, although better than the 9800gx2, ( 2 on 1 ) will hold heat like a wool blanket.


Really it doesn't I upgraded, last week, from an 8800GTX to a GTX295 and my core temps dropped ~5C. With a slight OC my GTX295 doesn't get over 76C ...not cold...but there's warmer cards.
April 13, 2009 11:40:50 PM

the 8800 GTX ran on a 90 nm, ur comparing 2 55 nm die shrinks with alot more efficient circuitry. Remember that.

And don't forget the 295 GTX loves to pump out heat into the case rather than exhausting it out the back, because of Nvidia's quick sandwich idea.

Its not a bad card, I just don't think it has a place in the market with such a high price tag, when it came out 6 months after the 4870 X2.

It would be more understandable if it were a revision.

Even the 285 GTX (atleast here in canada) is more cost effective in general.

You can grab a 285 GTX for 325-350$ from BFG some even offering MIR, while the 295 GTX is still around 600$. The lowest I've seen in retailer stores here is 525$ after MIR.
April 14, 2009 12:43:37 AM

L1qu1d said:
the 8800 GTX ran on a 90 nm, ur comparing 2 55 nm die shrinks with alot more efficient circuitry. Remember that.

And don't forget the 295 GTX loves to pump out heat into the case rather than exhausting it out the back, because of Nvidia's quick sandwich idea.

Its not a bad card, I just don't think it has a place in the market with such a high price tag, when it came out 6 months after the 4870 X2.

It would be more understandable if it were a revision.

Even the 285 GTX (atleast here in canada) is more cost effective in general.

You can grab a 285 GTX for 325-350$ from BFG some even offering MIR, while the 295 GTX is still around 600$. The lowest I've seen in retailer stores here is 525$ after MIR.



I do live in the US where I paid $499 for my GTX295...$70 less than they wanted for a 4870x2
April 14, 2009 1:12:49 AM

thats the first I've heard of a 295 GTX being cheaper than the 295 I'll tell u that much:) 

and remember the advatages the 4870 X2 has, being able to crossfire witha single 4870, instead of having to pay 400$ with out a choice for more performance.

Thats Nvidia's problem, they aren't innovative and don't like to make it easy for the consumer.

With both companies you win some and lose others.

I mean with ATI, their drivers are problematic, 8.12 - 9.4 very un easy for consumers, but atleast drivers can be improved on (Alot of ATI fans will say otherwise, buts its true, they know it, it hasn't been the best season for ATI drivers, but I'll say it agian, drivers are always worked on and improved. Hardware, well once its out, its out. You won't see sli 295+ 275 GTX enabled through software, its very unlikely.

I would've been more open minded about hte 295 GTX all together if it had more Vram and 275 GTX sli support.

here is the cheapest 295 GTX I could find on newegg.com:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$524.99

Cheapest 4870 X2

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$429.99 (419.99 after MIR).
April 14, 2009 3:20:06 AM

4gb 4890X2....I am dead serious...
April 14, 2009 11:32:00 AM

L1qu1d said:


Cheapest 4870 X2

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$429.99 (419.99 after MIR).


I wonder how in the hell MicroCenter is charging $569 for a 4870X2...maybe that's why they had so many in stock. Well, I'm not really a serious gamer, at least not yet, hopefully the GTX295 will play what games I may be interested in the future reasonably well at 2560x1600. Its working well now for HAWX so I'm happy. ...gotta get the sequel to Lost Planet and FEAR2
April 14, 2009 8:42:24 PM

Ok guys after reading all of this hear's what i got to say.Directx11 i'm not going to wait for it.

4890x2 i would like to wait for it, but i need to build this pc now so i'm going to miss out on this one too.

So where does that leave me with the parts of today's market?

2xgtx285? Aint gonna happen. Why should i pay more than gtx295 and still get 2Gs of memory?

4870x2 vs GTX-295?

GDDR5 vs GDDR3.
3.6Ghz memory clock vs ~1.0Ghz
750 vs 576 Core Clock
2GB vs 1.8GB
512bit vs 896bit

Based on the specs, i can only see that gtx295 wins only on the bit interface, which i dont even know what that means? What does it mean for Ati to have 512 bit memory interface against 896bit of Nvidia?
April 15, 2009 1:43:31 AM

If I were you, I'd hold out for a the 4890x2...even if that meant buying something retail in the meantime, using it up to 30 days, and then taking it back. :)  I'm happy with the GTX295, but.....
April 15, 2009 1:56:12 AM

295gtx or wait for 4890X2
April 15, 2009 8:32:52 AM

The only thing i could do, is use the HD3870 from my old PC till the 4890x2 comes out.
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2009 11:43:09 AM

Well, you have a difficult decision to make, but to answer your question up a couple posts: you can't directly compare the numbers to determine speed. The architectures are too different. In the end, the 295 comes out on top, but by a small margin. If you want the absolute best out of these two, it is the 295. However, depending on price in your area, the 4870X2 maybe be a better deal. 4890X2 does look like a beast, but I have no idea when they will actually release it and in what form/amount/price.
April 15, 2009 1:34:26 PM

therock003 said:
The only thing i could do, is use the HD3870 from my old PC till the 4890x2 comes out.



If that is even a possibility, get the GTX295 or wait until the 4890X2.
April 15, 2009 3:14:49 PM

Thing is that if i get the gtx295 now, then when 4890x2 comes, i wont be able to combine these two into the same mobo, so it's either one or the other.

The 4870x2 i plan to get costs almost as much as gtx295.

It's this one.


http://www.e-shop.gr/show_per.phtml?id=PER.513351
http://www.e-shop.gr/show_per.phtml?id=PER.513384

Is there any difference between these 2 asus? Second one seems to cost 5 Euro more.

Anyone gtx295 is this and costs 14 Euro more

http://www.e-shop.gr/show_per.phtml?id=PER.512717

Anyway I still dont get though how can the gtx295 have worse specs in every aspect except memory bit interface and still be a winner!
April 15, 2009 3:21:28 PM

They used wrong pictures on the site. The first one is with a single fan stock cooling.
The second card is the one with three fans - more efficient cooling at lower noise.
But you better call them and make sure...
April 15, 2009 3:35:28 PM

therock003 said:


Anyway I still dont get though how can the gtx295 have worse specs in every aspect except memory bit interface and still be a winner!



What you're seeing is that the GTX295 is a nasty-black-nasty beast. It asks no questions, it has no remorse, and it will not stop until it rapes your games and leaves them panting...its just nasty like that. Trust me, I know.

P.S. I have that 3-fan Artic Cooling chiller on my 8800GTX, its quite effective and quite nice.
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2009 4:11:00 PM

Another option would be a 3way solution, which currently really isnt an option with a 295+275, but going with a 4890x2 and a 4890 would do it. Quad setups lose alot of potential. alot more than going 3 cards
April 15, 2009 4:18:01 PM

ooooh, that does sound nice Jaydee, definitely something to think about, if you've got the PSU to handle it.
April 15, 2009 4:27:25 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Another option would be a 3way solution, which currently really isnt an option with a 295+275


Why isnt it an option? 295+275 isnt supported?

Anyway both setups are 2 cards not three? Does 3 cards mean 3 cores? Even if the setup is actually 2 physical cards?
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2009 4:30:43 PM

Thing is, the 275s clocks are higher, and the 275 would have to down clock to the 295, and itd make it a slower solution
April 15, 2009 4:42:01 PM

One more thing, can i make crossfire with 4870x2+4870x2 or 4870x2+4890x2?
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2009 4:44:47 PM

Keeping in mind the 295+275 tri-sli solution would be down clocked here http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclien...
we see them trading blows, but thats 3 275s together, not a 295/275 tri-sli solution. Obscure site, but the only 1 Ive seen comparing a tri solution with these cards
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2009 4:49:21 PM

Keeping in mind, the 4890s oc well also, or most likely better. Its always best to stick with the same model/speeds. Theres no guaranteeing the clocks will hold. Since the 4890x2 isnt out yet, no one knows if a 4890x2 would CF with a 4870x2, but it wouldnt be the best solution anyways. Mix and match isnt a good idea
April 15, 2009 5:35:15 PM

I only mentioned 4870x2+4890x2 cause 4870x2+4890 was already mentioned. And i thought instead of adding the 4890 in the mix, it could probably be better if i waited and add the 4890x2 instead.

BTW does that qualify as a quad crossfire or triple?
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2009 5:42:10 PM

Thatd be quad. Each x2 , whether its nVidia or ATI is having 2 cores on each pcb, tho its using only 1 PCI slot. Its and advantage for those whos motherboards only have 1 slot, or those that wish to go 3 or 4 core setups.
April 15, 2009 6:25:15 PM

Why was it mentioned that triple is a bteer and more efficient than Quad? Cause if i get the asus 4870x2 i may want to couple it with the same one, thus making it quad, which isnt optimal according to what was said here.
April 15, 2009 6:33:24 PM

games seem not to scale to quad solutions so well, meaning you've spent a lot of money and not much gain in performance. The price/performance ratio for quad setups is poor.
April 15, 2009 6:42:46 PM

But still a 4870x2+4870x2 setup would be better than a 4870x2+4890 although it's not worth all that extra money. IS that what you're saying?

Ok and one last question,i promise! I just found this mobo asus p6t ws

http://www.plaisio.gr/product.aspx?product=1224913

which supports 6 pciex16 with true triple crossfire (x16x16x16).

My final question is, What will happen if you put 3x 4870x2 on that monster. Is it possible? And if not why? Is it a driver restriction

This concludes my concerns.
April 15, 2009 6:54:08 PM

therock003 said:
But still a 4870x2+4870x2 setup would be better than a 4870x2+4890 although it's not worth all that extra money. IS that what you're saying?


Precisely.

That P6T WS is a baddass board. Wish I'd gotten that. Now, I've never heard of 6-way Crossfire, but it seems like it'd be quite a battle (pun intended). All jests aside, I don't think 6-way Crossfire would work.
April 15, 2009 7:03:23 PM

4870 x2 does better in certain games and the GTX 295 does better in others. The 4870 x2 is WAY cheaper but the GTX 295 has more WOW appeal.
April 15, 2009 7:11:23 PM

mamw93 said:
4870 x2 does better in certain games and the GTX 295 does better in others. The 4870 x2 is WAY cheaper but the GTX 295 has more WOW appeal.




Na, not anymore...that is, the 4870x2 is not always cheaper anymore. Micro Center had the Diamond MM 4870x2 @ $569 and a BFG GTX295 @ $499...so I got the latter. Perhaps it was just a pricing mistake or they'd just not stickered the x2 with current pricing but it was $569 on the box.
April 15, 2009 7:19:20 PM

You know that Microcenter is not the only supplier of HD4870x2 cards, right?

Now that we cleared that up..... yes hd4870x2 is a much cheaper alternative to GTX295 and you get as good of a performance.

Cheers
April 15, 2009 7:35:18 PM

LOL, I guess I left myself wide open for that. :D 

...since I live .25 miles from one sometimes I forget that there's...others that sell stuff too. LOL
April 15, 2009 7:45:36 PM

Well the Asus 4870x2 that i'm gunning at is not at all cheaper, since it goes for 485 Euros while GTX295 is 495, so there's not really a difference.

Well i really wish i could go for the 6-way crossifire. It looks like a badass board, but if you can't get the 3 double core gfx then what's with the 6 pcie slots? Paying all tha money so that you can only get to 3 single core cards? Is this really worth it? On the other hand 3x4870x2 that would be like leaving the dream, i mean come on, pleas tell me this can happen, at least at some point in the future.
April 15, 2009 7:46:28 PM

halcyon said:
LOL, I guess I left myself wide open for that. :D 

...since I live .25 miles from one sometimes I forget that there's...others that sell stuff too. LOL


:)  yeah I use to do that... I while back... Now Newegg and google are my best friends.
It's a competitive market out there, so do a little research before spending your hard earned money ;) 
April 15, 2009 7:51:58 PM

I NewEgg quite often, but sometimes don't feel like waiting even a day for something...time is money, especially my time. :sol: 
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2009 8:53:46 PM

6 way isnt a viable option, we get bad performance using quad setups at best. No drivers are made for that combo,6x, outside of gpgpu work, which isnt gaming anyways
April 15, 2009 9:14:54 PM

What about GPGPU on this case? I need gfx power for CAD application so even if they couldnt be utilized for gaming, it would stil be practical for cad rendering for me, if that's what you mean.
April 16, 2009 7:07:06 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
...but going with a 4890x2 and a 4890 would do it.


Is that really an option? Cause i think i like the sound of that? So bottom line it's either going to be 4870x2+4890 or triple sli 3x gtx285.

I need some final words of wisdom, what will it be?
April 16, 2009 8:44:30 PM

my suggestion would be not combinging the 4890 witht he 4870 X2, since its a waste of money.
You'd benefit and save alot more if you just buy a 4870 1 GIG, remember 4870 won't be able to OC as much as a 4890, and you'd be forcing your X2 card to run stock 4890 in order to get your money's worth.
ANd if youd on't oc all cards will run at 4870 X2 frequencies.

I'd have to say that 1 4890 should do it for now, I think the fastest multi card setup up to date would be 285 GTX tri followed by 4890 tri.

The quads tend to have issues, especially the 295 GTX since it hits the Vram wall. faster than the 4870 X2.
April 16, 2009 9:00:43 PM

I had the 4890 for a few days and took it back and got a GTX295. While the 295 obviously beats the 4890 I will say that at 1920x1200 and below the 4890 did quite well and it did okay at 2560x1600...especially good bang for the buck ...gaming @ 2560x1600 is an expensive proposition...not sure I'd recommend it unless you've got a 30" monitor and that extra $200 bones is really...extra.
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