GTX 295 vs 4870x2?

Classic question i must admit, but since i'm on the lookout for gfx and i want top of the line, can someone tell me what the differences are? Which one is better at what?

the 295 GTX is 10-15% faster, not worth the extra 100$ in general you pay for it

What are these headaches and incompatibilities? Right now I'm trying to decide between a 295 or two 285s? I'll be running either on an i7 / p6t deluxe v2 build. Also considering connecting a 19" lcd in addition to my 24" if that matters.

gtx295 is a faster card but i would hold off just a bit more till the 4890x2 comes out since it seems like you want top of the line.

SLi/Xfire gives you more power for performance, but if you get, say a 4850x2 which wasn't supported by official ATI drivers, then you'll have bugs and performance issues in games.

I currently have two 9800GTXs (1 GTX and 1 GTX+), and the only issuefor me is I need to disable one to play really old games. It works perfectly for newer games.

the 8800 GTX ran on a 90 nm, ur comparing 2 55 nm die shrinks with alot more efficient circuitry. Remember that.

And don't forget the 295 GTX loves to pump out heat into the case rather than exhausting it out the back, because of Nvidia's quick sandwich idea.

Its not a bad card, I just don't think it has a place in the market with such a high price tag, when it came out 6 months after the 4870 X2.

It would be more understandable if it were a revision.

Even the 285 GTX (atleast here in canada) is more cost effective in general.

You can grab a 285 GTX for 325-350$ from BFG some even offering MIR, while the 295 GTX is still around 600$. The lowest I've seen in retailer stores here is 525$ after MIR.

thats the first I've heard of a 295 GTX being cheaper than the 295 I'll tell u that much

and remember the advatages the 4870 X2 has, being able to crossfire witha single 4870, instead of having to pay 400$ with out a choice for more performance.

Thats Nvidia's problem, they aren't innovative and don't like to make it easy for the consumer.

With both companies you win some and lose others.

I mean with ATI, their drivers are problematic, 8.12 - 9.4 very un easy for consumers, but atleast drivers can be improved on (Alot of ATI fans will say otherwise, buts its true, they know it, it hasn't been the best season for ATI drivers, but I'll say it agian, drivers are always worked on and improved. Hardware, well once its out, its out. You won't see sli 295+ 275 GTX enabled through software, its very unlikely.

I would've been more open minded about hte 295 GTX all together if it had more Vram and 275 GTX sli support.

here is the cheapest 295 GTX I could find on newegg.com:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814143167

$524.99

Cheapest 4870 X2

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102768

$429.99 (419.99 after MIR).

I wonder how in the hell MicroCenter is charging $569 for a 4870X2...maybe that's why they had so many in stock. Well, I'm not really a serious gamer, at least not yet, hopefully the GTX295 will play what games I may be interested in the future reasonably well at 2560x1600. Its working well now for HAWX so I'm happy. ...gotta get the sequel to Lost Planet and FEAR2

If I were you, I'd hold out for a the 4890x2...even if that meant buying something retail in the meantime, using it up to 30 days, and then taking it back. I'm happy with the GTX295, but.....

The only thing i could do, is use the HD3870 from my old PC till the 4890x2 comes out.

If that is even a possibility, get the GTX295 or wait until the 4890X2.

They used wrong pictures on the site. The first one is with a single fan stock cooling.
The second card is the one with three fans - more efficient cooling at lower noise.
But you better call them and make sure...

Another option would be a 3way solution, which currently really isnt an option with a 295+275, but going with a 4890x2 and a 4890 would do it. Quad setups lose alot of potential. alot more than going 3 cards

Why isnt it an option? 295+275 isnt supported?

Anyway both setups are 2 cards not three? Does 3 cards mean 3 cores? Even if the setup is actually 2 physical cards?

One more thing, can i make crossfire with 4870x2+4870x2 or 4870x2+4890x2?

Keeping in mind the 295+275 tri-sli solution would be down clocked here http://translate.google.com/transl [...] adeon-4890
we see them trading blows, but thats 3 275s together, not a 295/275 tri-sli solution. Obscure site, but the only 1 Ive seen comparing a tri solution with these cards

I only mentioned 4870x2+4890x2 cause 4870x2+4890 was already mentioned. And i thought instead of adding the 4890 in the mix, it could probably be better if i waited and add the 4890x2 instead.

BTW does that qualify as a quad crossfire or triple?

Why was it mentioned that triple is a bteer and more efficient than Quad? Cause if i get the asus 4870x2 i may want to couple it with the same one, thus making it quad, which isnt optimal according to what was said here.

But still a 4870x2+4870x2 setup would be better than a 4870x2+4890 although it's not worth all that extra money. IS that what you're saying?

Ok and one last question,i promise! I just found this mobo asus p6t ws

http://www.plaisio.gr/product.aspx?product=1224913

which supports 6 pciex16 with true triple crossfire (x16x16x16).

My final question is, What will happen if you put 3x 4870x2 on that monster. Is it possible? And if not why? Is it a driver restriction

This concludes my concerns.

4870 x2 does better in certain games and the GTX 295 does better in others. The 4870 x2 is WAY cheaper but the GTX 295 has more WOW appeal.

You know that Microcenter is not the only supplier of HD4870x2 cards, right?

Now that we cleared that up..... yes hd4870x2 is a much cheaper alternative to GTX295 and you get as good of a performance.

Cheers

Well the Asus 4870x2 that i'm gunning at is not at all cheaper, since it goes for 485 Euros while GTX295 is 495, so there's not really a difference.

Well i really wish i could go for the 6-way crossifire. It looks like a badass board, but if you can't get the 3 double core gfx then what's with the 6 pcie slots? Paying all tha money so that you can only get to 3 single core cards? Is this really worth it? On the other hand 3x4870x2 that would be like leaving the dream, i mean come on, pleas tell me this can happen, at least at some point in the future.

I NewEgg quite often, but sometimes don't feel like waiting even a day for something...time is money, especially my time.

What about GPGPU on this case? I need gfx power for CAD application so even if they couldnt be utilized for gaming, it would stil be practical for cad rendering for me, if that's what you mean.

my suggestion would be not combinging the 4890 witht he 4870 X2, since its a waste of money.
You'd benefit and save alot more if you just buy a 4870 1 GIG, remember 4870 won't be able to OC as much as a 4890, and you'd be forcing your X2 card to run stock 4890 in order to get your money's worth.
ANd if youd on't oc all cards will run at 4870 X2 frequencies.

I'd have to say that 1 4890 should do it for now, I think the fastest multi card setup up to date would be 285 GTX tri followed by 4890 tri.

The quads tend to have issues, especially the 295 GTX since it hits the Vram wall. faster than the 4870 X2.