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gonchi1207   06-23-2009 at 10:39:35 PM

Hi everybody ! ,

i am looking forward to build a new pc, a gaming pc.....

i expect to buy an ati 4890 Msi OC, 4 gbs of ram, an antec 650 watt psu, and the antec 900 for the pc case....


the problem is i cant decide whether to buy an e8400 , a q8200, or adding a bit more money, a q9300.....


I read tons of reviews, and i know that the e8400 beats in performance even at stock speed to almost every quad, in matter of games since games are single threaded apps.....

However, i am trying to build a future proof pc, or at least the most future proof possible, since in my country prices are not as low as new eggs ......

ok so, my question is the following, despite the fact that for games e8400 performs better at present, is there any possibility that games released in the upcoming years wont be singlethreaded so maybe for those games the quads listed above beat the e8400 in matter of performance?????? soo, if i am looking to play upcoming games the most sensitive option is the quad?


another question,,, is this motherboard good for overclocking the c2d / c2q ???

http://www.msimiami.com/spanish/pr [...] eo_spa.htm
sorry for the website being in spanish..
i remember someone told me to search for p35 motherboards...


moreover, i want to know your opinion about the 4890.....

is worth buying a 4890 or is better a 4870? will my 4890 performance being affected because of using a c2d ?????

finally, what i was looking for you to tell me , how much time do you believe i will be able to play the games that are going to be released in the future, i do not ask to play everything maxed out, only if games will or wont run in my pc,

what do you think is gonna be outdated first, the gpu , or the cpu ?


sorry for the bad english , thnx in advantage

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dirtmountain   06-23-2009 at 11:36:08 PM
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1. The MSI P35 board you linked is a good overclocking board for the LGA775 socket CPUs.

2.You didn't mention the size/resolution (example: 19 inch at 1440x900) of your monitor. From what i'd do, if you game at a resolution of 1680x1050 or below then the HD4870 1GB would be fine, above that i'd get the HD4890..... depending on prices.

3. There are already a few games out that are optimized for 4 cores with more on the way. That doesn't mean that the E8400 does poorly in the games, it just means that it will be outperformed by some quadcore processors. The Q9300 might be a better choice then the E8400..... again depending on price.

Hope this helps.

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gonchi1207   06-24-2009 at 01:04:54 AM
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dirtmountain thanx for answering, i have the samsung 2253 synchmaster so it is a 22 " inch monitor with the default resolution of 1680 x 1050.. ......

e8400 cost 175 oem, and q9300 235 oem,


Another question, i want to safe overclock the cpu, by this i mean that i want to make it perform as high as possible without risks, so i am not a hardcore overclocker.....


do i need to replace the stock cooler? or it is okay since 45 nm do no generate that much heat?

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dirtmountain   06-24-2009 at 01:47:39 AM
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At that price differential i'd probably go with the E8400.
You can get a mild overclock with the stock cooler, keep an eye on your temperatures! Higher overclocks take an aftermarket cooler.

a link about overclocking.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messag [...] erthread=y

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deluxegamer233   06-24-2009 at 02:11:00 AM
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Hey, you can get an E8500 on ebay for $150 and $5 shipping OEM. There's a deal right now for the E8200 at $110 with free shipping - it's a special whereas the e8500 is more continuous.

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gonchi1207   06-24-2009 at 02:31:35 AM
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thnx again for the quick reply, ok so you believe that the best option in matter of cpus is the e8400,

what about the video card? a 4890 will be bottlenecked by the cpu ? a 4870 is overkill already?

what do you think?


also, i would like to know approximately when do you believe this pc will become outdated , and by this i mean not when i wont be able to play games maxed out,, i mean when i wont be able to play games at all

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wisecracker   06-24-2009 at 02:35:44 AM
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Unless you just have to go Intel with the e8400 an AM3 Phenom is what you are looking for ...

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dirtmountain   06-24-2009 at 03:50:34 AM
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A 4890 isn't overkill, it's more a matter of balancing performance and cost. I don't think the Q9300 would give you enough boost in performance to be worth the cost. I don't know what the difference in cost for the 4890 as opposed to the 4870 1GB is where you live.
The E8400 will be able to play games and run programs for years into the future, but like all tech it will become outdated, then obsolete. You always have to balance what you can afford right now and what may be a better long term choice, but is just too expensive to buy.

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gonchi1207   06-25-2009 at 01:01:22 AM
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a friend of mine told me that intel mobos are really bad at overclocking, told me to search for asus and gigabyte mobos.... any other opinion about this mobo of intel????

thnx in advantage

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dirtmountain   06-25-2009 at 01:53:56 AM
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The motherboard you had linked in an earlier post is a MSI P35 motherboard. The best motherboard for overclocking an Intel processor are usually Gigabyte, Asus, DFI and a few others including the MSI. Usually the best overclockers are the P45 motherboards. Intel brand "Intel" motherboards are usually poor overclockers.

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gonchi1207   06-25-2009 at 03:13:18 AM
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dirtmountain wrote :

The motherboard you had linked in an earlier post is a MSI P35 motherboard. The best motherboard for overclocking an Intel processor are usually Gigabyte, Asus, DFI and a few others including the MSI. Usually the best overclockers are the P45 motherboards. Intel brand "Intel" motherboards are usually poor overclockers.


haha so why did you tell me that it was a good motherboard? :S

i believe i will manage to get a q6700 from ebay, shipped to my country, i would like to know which motherboard of this website do you believe is the best, within the 0- 150 usd price range


http://www.tranza.com/softis/pl/32/?offset=24


thnx in adv

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dirtmountain   06-25-2009 at 05:16:37 AM
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It was an MSI motherboard, not an Intel

Here's 2 examples: Both work with Intel CPUs and have Intel chipsets. One is MSI, one is Intel

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813130184

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813121348

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gonchi1207   06-25-2009 at 06:04:25 AM
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ohh youre right, sorry, my bad,,, sooo, is that msi motherboard good for overclocking?

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wrazor   06-25-2009 at 08:18:27 AM
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Wouldnt going with AMD 720 be a better choice here? 3 cores, almost as fast as e8400 and overclocks like a beast?

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xtream_ocer_intel_nvidia   06-25-2009 at 10:41:28 AM
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do not buy the 4890, get the 4870 X2 and get the E8400, hope this helps :D

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bige420   06-25-2009 at 11:24:25 AM
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Yeah you should really consider getting the Phenom II X3 720. Its got 3 cores, is almost as powerful as the E8400 in dual threaded apps and would perform better in apps that are optimized for more than 2 cores. Plus its a black edition cpu so its multiplier is unlocked for easy overclocking.


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gonchi1207   06-25-2009 at 01:14:59 PM
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hey thanks for adding further ideas !

i checked out the price of the amd cpu and it cost 155 usd ! 20 usd less than the e8400.......


nevertheless, i was trying to buy a q6700 from ebay and since is oem the shipping wont be that much......

if you have to choose between this amd processor and the q6700 which do you believe is better?

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gonchi1207   06-25-2009 at 01:20:45 PM
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xtream_ocer_intel_nvidia wrote :

do not buy the 4890, get the 4870 X2 and get the E8400, hope this helps :D




i cannot afford the 4870 x2,

the 4890 cost 299 usd, instead the 199 usd that cost at newegg.....

the 4870 1gb dd5 cost 265 usd,

so i didnt find out , but guessing it would be arround > 550 usd


besides, the 4870 x2 consumes a lot of power, and i will only have a 650 watts psu... the recommended psu is 750 watts or above,

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gonchi1207   06-26-2009 at 08:20:03 AM
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about the amd processor you listed.. is it a triple core? or a quad core? because i read you can " unlock" a fourth core defaultely deactivated

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gonchi1207   07-01-2009 at 10:05:32 PM
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heyyy i bought the q6700 finally, it is a good cpu ¿?

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deluxegamer233   08-11-2009 at 06:06:45 AM
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@gonchi, I'd like to know more about that.

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