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April 15, 2009 5:05:31 PM

Kk cut a long story short,

750w psu, 4gb ram, dcore processor, 4gb ram, ati 2900xt

My card is idleing at 60c, when i play a game in windows mode it goes up to 63c which is also amazing, but to be honest with you i don't really want to keep playing in windows mode.

When i play in full screen whatever the resolution this card goes completley insane and hits a temp of 105c, i do not play it at this temp as that is just insane, if anyone could help me out with this i will bow down to they're feet.

P.s - i have an amazing cooling system, iv'e tryed turning the gpu fs up, im applied new thermal paste, the card is not overclocked and this also happens with VERY low demanding games aswell as high as i have tryed.

i will be greatful for everyones help thankyou tony.
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2009 5:22:29 PM

First of all, I believe that in windowed mode the actual clock speeds of the card stay reduced, this is true for the 48** series, I assume it is true with the 29** series as well. It is mostly to reduce idle wattage draw from the power supply.

Secondly, obviously those temperatures are far too high, what are you using to measure the temps ? Have you owned this card for a long time ? Have you thought about ditching the card and upgrading ? You can get a 9600GSO for like 75$ and I beleive it would at least be on par with the 2900XT.
April 15, 2009 5:24:12 PM

Ahh, i was thinking of it but i have not had this card for a long time i would say a good few weeks to be honest haha, is there no way i can make it take more power from the power supply?
April 15, 2009 5:24:54 PM

And i am using GPU-Z to measure the temps :) 
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2009 7:44:12 PM

No, you can't make it take more power from your power supply, even if you could, that wouldn't solve anything, it might make your card run hotter, and fry it eventually. I suggest taking it back to wherever you bought it from, demanding a refund. Take the money and buy a 9600GSO, 9800GT or a 4850.
April 15, 2009 7:59:51 PM

Annisman said:
No, you can't make it take more power from your power supply, even if you could, that wouldn't solve anything, it might make your card run hotter, and fry it eventually. I suggest taking it back to wherever you bought it from, demanding a refund. Take the money and buy a 9600GSO, 9800GT or a 4850.


What he said. ^^^
April 15, 2009 8:11:05 PM

Ohh :( . ok i will do that thanks for everything :) , for future references; i heard the 2900xt get very hot but no where near 105c hha i heard round the 60 70 mark, and what temp should i be looking out for if i was to get a 8800 ultra?
April 15, 2009 8:53:08 PM

Annisman said:
First of all, I believe that in windowed mode the actual clock speeds of the card stay reduced, this is true for the 48** series, I assume it is true with the 29** series as well. It is mostly to reduce idle wattage draw from the power supply.

Secondly, obviously those temperatures are far too high, what are you using to measure the temps ? Have you owned this card for a long time ? Have you thought about ditching the card and upgrading ? You can get a 9600GSO for like 75$ and I beleive it would at least be on par with the 2900XT.



9600GSO? I highly doubt that.

The 2900XT was created as a counter to the 8800GTS/Ultra/GT cards, I doubt a crippled version of the crippled version of those cards could out perform it.

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Ohh :( . ok i will do that thanks for everything :) , for future references; i heard the 2900xt get very hot but no where near 105c hha i heard round the 60 70 mark, and what temp should i be looking out for if i was to get a 8800 ultra?


The 8800 ultra is no longer on the market.
A similar card known as the GTS 250 exists.
It should run cooler than the 2900xt

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2009 8:59:23 PM

2900xt is about as powerful as a 3870. A little less in most benchmarks.
April 15, 2009 9:05:03 PM

Okok there are all different suggestions haha, i don't mind how much the card cost to be honest, and if i need any upgrades recommended for the card can you tell me pls do say because i will purchase them, Thanks ;)  Im willing to spend anything under 1200 Pounds for improvements ect,

Right now im using, 4gb ddr2 ram, duel core 2.4ghz amd processor, 2900xt ( needs replacing but not sure what with ), water cooled system, Is there any upgrades reccomended? thankyou.
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2009 9:17:26 PM

If you're gonna keep that athlon then the max graphics card you would make use of would be something around the 9800gt/ HD 4830 mark I think. Your current system looks pretty decently balanced tbh.

I dunno what is going on with the temps on the 2900xt though.

If you choose to upgrade the cpu and gpu then maybe go for a Phenom II X3 720 assuming your motherboard is an AM2+ socket. It should be. With that chip you can safely buy anything up to about a HD4870 or 260gtx and it shouldn't bottleneck either.
April 15, 2009 9:28:26 PM

Oh ok great, thankyou very much i will look into that :) 
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2009 9:39:40 PM

105 degrees? and the card doesnt crash the game?

my money is on a faulty sensor.
April 15, 2009 9:40:48 PM

Naw, the comp shuts dwn if it gets to hot.. but it stays at 60c when playing games in windows mode. :/ 
April 15, 2009 11:19:52 PM

Have you tried downloading a program like rivatuner and forcing the clockspeeds to stay low (or at least at a reasonable average, and have you tried forcing the fan to 100% (only as a test, those things are INSANELY loud (has 2900 pro))
April 15, 2009 11:22:00 PM

oo.. I have rivatuner, iv'e tryed putting my fan up dont work, how do i make the clockspeeds stay slow, that would help thanks
April 15, 2009 11:40:14 PM

Trade it in for a 9800GTX+/GTS 250
April 15, 2009 11:43:00 PM

what my 2900xt? where would i change it in?
April 16, 2009 2:17:37 AM

Call up ATI or where you bought it.
a b U Graphics card
April 16, 2009 3:05:30 AM

my guess on this is simple but actually might be hard to test.

-ok using eVGA Precision to overclock a card, you notice that you can switch your fan from AUTOMATIC to whatever fan speed percentage. my guess is that it might not be triggering or is not running at 100% when at full load.
a b U Graphics card
April 16, 2009 5:28:55 AM

ravenware said:
9600GSO? I highly doubt that.

The 2900XT was created as a counter to the 8800GTS/Ultra/GT cards, I doubt a crippled version of the crippled version of those cards could out perform it.

Quote:
Ohh :( . ok i will do that thanks for everything :) , for future references; i heard the 2900xt get very hot but no where near 105c hha i heard round the 60 70 mark, and what temp should i be looking out for if i was to get a 8800 ultra?


The 8800 ultra is no longer on the market.
A similar card known as the GTS 250 exists.
It should run cooler than the 2900xt

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



First of all, the 2900XT was a counter strictly to the 8800GTX and the 8800 Ultra, which it failed admirably to beat. Secondly I don't believe you give the 9600GSO enough credit. If you want to see what I meant compare these scores: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-char... From good old Tom's vga benchmarks, now Toms did not test the GSO, but it did test the 9600GT which is about 15% faster than the GSO, therefore the 9600GSO would only be a 'drop' of roughly 5-10% from the 2900XT, because the 9600GT bests the 2900XT by about 5%.

Of course it is also a cooler, less energy dependent, single slot, physix enabled card, therefore IMO it is an upgrade. When I built my brothers gaming rig I purchased the GSO, and it can handle anything out there right now, @ less than 1920 res.
a c 106 U Graphics card
April 16, 2009 6:26:29 AM

Did you try to blow the dust out of the cooler? Gets clogged up pretty fast, yup yup.
a b U Graphics card
April 16, 2009 6:55:28 AM

megamanx00 said:
Did you try to blow the dust out of the cooler? Gets clogged up pretty fast, yup yup.


LOL wouldn't it be great if that was the real problem here.
April 16, 2009 8:39:11 AM

Annisman said:
LOL wouldn't it be great if that was the real problem here.


How much does Nvidia pay you per month?
April 16, 2009 3:47:14 PM

wow lots of posts, haha about the dust, yeah ive checked for clogs haha, and i applied some new thermal paste not to long ago, i really am not sure, im not sure which g card to purchase either to be honest with you.. any ideas?
April 16, 2009 5:29:56 PM

Ok, so basically I think we can assume safely that it is the temperature which is the problem - 105 degrees is dangerously high. You say you have already tried forcing 100% fanspeed, try doing this again with the case open, check the fan is spinning correctly (you'll know, those things are loud as leaf blowers at 100%) - if there isn't enough sound you'll know its not doing something right, if you put your hand behind it and there's no air coming out, you'll know something is not right. If all this tomfoolery with the fan doesn't do anything and you the fan is definitely spinning and producing lots of air, on rivatuner gow to low level system settings and set the clock speed to something low, like 600 core and 800 memory. Then try again.

If you want to purchase a new card however, i'd go with something like the 4670 above (although I suspect your card is salvageable)
Also, check your case isn't completely clogged with wires and is allowing decent airflow to the fan
April 16, 2009 5:38:04 PM

I Tryed turning down the clock speed n memory it made the temp go up to 100 wtf lol, is it possible i have the clock speed to low :S?
April 16, 2009 5:53:20 PM

P.S Comp started tripping when i done it aswell, like i said is there a possible chance my clock speed is to low :S?
a b U Graphics card
April 16, 2009 9:49:55 PM

Another idea, though I say this a lot it seems, but maybe get a pci slot cooler fan for a few bucks and put that under the card to pull some of the hot air out the case. Maybe that will pull enough heat off the card to stabalize it....
April 16, 2009 9:50:46 PM

ok ty for that idea :) )
a b U Graphics card
April 18, 2009 9:45:15 PM

are u sure ur card is actually that hot? the sensors might be messed
a b U Graphics card
April 19, 2009 1:59:02 AM

Vokofpolisiekar said:
How much does Nvidia pay you per month?



??? I own and currently use 3 ATI GPU's atm.... ???
a b U Graphics card
April 19, 2009 9:48:57 AM

rags_20 said:
You don't need a PCI slot cooler, try this. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835200018 Its just $7

That is a slot cooler... see how it has the slot fastener on it?

If this is a brand new card, take it back and exchange it. Problem solved.

If it's not a recent purchase and you can't return it to the place of purchase, but it's still under warranty, begin the RMA process with the manufacturer citing extreme temperatures. Problem solved.

If it's not under warranty and you want to see if you can reduce the temps, try opening the case and blowing a house fan on it first. If that has no effect, you could try an aftermarket heatsink/fan, but you could instead attempt to verify the temp using an IR Thermometer instead of the sensor. It's entirely possible the sensor is bad, which would be considered a manufacturer's defect.
April 19, 2009 6:56:44 PM

Annisman said:
First of all, the 2900XT was a counter strictly to the 8800GTX and the 8800 Ultra, which it failed admirably to beat. Secondly I don't believe you give the 9600GSO enough credit. If you want to see what I meant compare these scores: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-char... From good old Tom's vga benchmarks, now Toms did not test the GSO, but it did test the 9600GT which is about 15% faster than the GSO, therefore the 9600GSO would only be a 'drop' of roughly 5-10% from the 2900XT, because the 9600GT bests the 2900XT by about 5%.

Of course it is also a cooler, less energy dependent, single slot, physix enabled card, therefore IMO it is an upgrade. When I built my brothers gaming rig I purchased the GSO, and it can handle anything out there right now, @ less than 1920 res.



No it WAS NOT to counter the GTX or Ultra, it was aimed for a $400 launch price, which at the time was STRICTLY GTS 640mb territory. Get your facts straight.

I wouldn't recommend a GSO anymore than I would a 3870 - in short, neither of them would get my vote. Wait for the 4770 series to arrive (out this month/next month), and buy one of those. About $100 it should cost.
April 19, 2009 6:59:48 PM

Vokofpolisiekar said:
How much does Nvidia pay you per month?


+1
a b U Graphics card
April 19, 2009 7:29:15 PM

spoonboy said:
No it WAS NOT to counter the GTX or Ultra, it was aimed for a $400 launch price, which at the time was STRICTLY GTS 640mb territory. Get your facts straight.

I wouldn't recommend a GSO anymore than I would a 3870 - in short, neither of them would get my vote. Wait for the 4770 series to arrive (out this month/next month), and buy one of those. About $100 it should cost.



Let me be more specific, the 2900XT was a PLANNED counter to the GTX, when they realized that it could not compete, they dropped the launch price to combat the 640.


You people who say " Oh, you should wait for 'X' card to come out, it's gonna be X dollars for X performance!" don't you realize that there will always be another X card coming out that is cooler, faster, and cheaper than all the previous ones. It is not good practice to insist people wait for cards to come out, look at what cards there are now that can fill a need, and go buy it. The waiting game for vid cards is retarded logic.
a b U Graphics card
April 19, 2009 7:29:45 PM

spoonboy said:
+1


Do you even read any of the other posts ?
a b U Graphics card
April 19, 2009 7:35:47 PM

By the way spoonboy, if you don't beleive me take a look at techspot's review of the 2900XT, up until the actual launch of the card it was beleived that the 2900XT was to counter the 8800GTX, which caused Nvidia to launch the 8800Ultra to make sure that it still held the crown when the XT launched. When it launched, it was widely speculated that ATI failed to achieve the highend performance that it was meant to compete with, dropping it's prices accordingly.

"Historically, GPU makers have always (or at least most of the time) launched their high-end parts first, selling for top dollar and aiming at big margins, apparently ATI/AMD have planned otherwise this time, or could it be the case that the R600 was uncapable of outperforming the GeForce 8800 GTX "on time"? "

The entire fist page of this article makes constant references to the 2900XT being launched to combat the GTX.


http://www.techspot.com/review/52-asus-radeon-hd-2900xt...


I wish I didn't have to argue such petty things.

good day
April 20, 2009 12:36:43 AM

RazberyBandit said:
That is a slot cooler... see how it has the slot fastener on it?
I said it didn't use a PCI slot. Why don't you read carefully before posting?
April 20, 2009 1:42:42 AM

Annisman is getting pretty defensive........ :D 

What are your other temps like, are they high or normal?
Try other programs like speedfan or motherboard monitor
April 20, 2009 3:05:36 AM

3 options:

Liquid cool the GPU

Riva Tuner and set the fan to run at 100% all the time

New card
a b U Graphics card
April 20, 2009 4:30:21 AM

To the OP. Any progress?


rags_20 said:
I said it didn't use a PCI slot. Why don't you read carefully before posting?


LOL rags. I read what you said quite well. When you said he didn't need a PCI slot cooler, then linked a slot cooler, I couldn't help but wonder just what kind of slot you thought such a device would use up. Maybe ISA? I just kinda shrugged at that and thought I should point out the fact that it still would use up a PCI slot. Take it as you will, but it wasn't intended as an insult at all. Maybe you classify the ones that don't actually have plastic tabs that need to go into a PCI slot to support themselves differently than ones that do?
April 20, 2009 5:40:27 AM

My bad. Forget it.
a b U Graphics card
April 20, 2009 5:46:39 AM

Forgotten, and no ill-will, as I usually agree with most of your posts on these forums.
April 20, 2009 4:34:17 PM

It might be how the heatsink is sitting on there. When I first installed my watercooling on my 4850 the block was not sitting flat. The block I used only had 2 screws to hold it down and wasnt sitting flat. I imply added 2 more screws to insure it was even and the temps went back down. It was idling and 60 and jump to 105. Hope this helps.
April 21, 2009 6:17:12 AM

Annisman said:
??? I own and currently use 3 ATI GPU's atm.... ???


Currently and atm is one and the same.

I don't pay too much heed to who is faster, better or more ethical or the reasons for one cards' existence vs another. If it performs for MY desires at a price point I like (which will never be ok seeing that anything sold outside of the US of A's shores is 150-200% of its original price) then I don't care if Voodoo makes it.

And I don't read all the posts. I've been doing that for 10 years and it's the same old same old.

This is also not in reference to you by the way. I was just yanking your chain.
a b U Graphics card
April 21, 2009 6:45:56 AM

Vokofpolisiekar said:
Currently and atm is one and the same.

I don't pay too much heed to who is faster, better or more ethical or the reasons for one cards' existence vs another. If it performs for MY desires at a price point I like (which will never be ok seeing that anything sold outside of the US of A's shores is 150-200% of its original price) then I don't care if Voodoo makes it.

And I don't read all the posts. I've been doing that for 10 years and it's the same old same old.

This is also not in reference to you by the way. I was just yanking your chain.


I'm not exactly sure what your posts means, maybe mine was too vague. I was simply stating that I currently own, and use 3 ATI Gpus in my computer, because more than one person in this thread has accused me of being paid by Nvidia, for what reason I have no idea.
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