Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question

E5200 CPU Upgrade For My Dell Dimension 5100 (800Mhz FSB)

Last response: in Motherboards
Share
September 10, 2009 9:55:22 PM

Hi,

A quick question regarding a Dell Dimension 5100. It has a standard BTX 800Mhz FSB Motherboard (with DDR2 and PCI-e) I was just wondering, seen as it supports 800Mhz FSB, can it support the newer E5200 Pentium Dual-Core?

Currently it's running on an older Pentium 'D' 820 - 2.8Ghz 2x1MB cache 800Mhz FSB.

Regards.
a c 435 V Motherboard
September 10, 2009 10:03:05 PM

Depends on the motherboard chipset. I would post your question in one of the dell forums. There are Intel 965 chipset btx boards available that might run the e5200 if they will fit in your case. Btx format is dead. Best to get an atx case and move all your components over. Then you can run whatever you want.
September 10, 2009 10:10:53 PM

^^ Yeah it's crossed my mind several times, I'm just trying my luck without having that many upgrades to make. If it supports the E5200, then I'm good for at least another year.

Thanks to the invention from Intel and the faliure attempt of all OEM's STILL installing BTX motherboards in the systems.

Blah...
Related resources
a b V Motherboard
September 10, 2009 10:12:48 PM

Doubtful, most prebuilt systems have their BIOS' locked to a few specific CPUs.
Even if the chipset supports it, you are probably still locked out from upgrading.

I doubt this will be an issue, though.
No motherboards with an earlier chipset than the P965 have support for the 45nm Core 2 CPUs.
Cheap prebuilt systems never use the latest tech and as the P965 chipset came out a while after the Core 2 arch was released, it is a safe bet even your chipset will not have support for the e5200.

It is simply good for their business if you are forced to buy a new machine instead of upgrading.
Profits from your upgrading and keeping the machine for quite a while longer are pretty low ;) 
Just another reason you should build your next machine yourself!
September 10, 2009 10:19:01 PM

A quick google search shows that it likely has the 945G chipset, so it can't use the e5200.
September 10, 2009 10:37:18 PM

^ Damn, so the most I can upgrade to if any is the E2180... Correct? that uses 65nm.
September 10, 2009 10:40:19 PM

^ I didn't really buy the PC, it came to me brand new/second hand... A old guy bought it on a hope that he will learn some day to use a PC, but was *** out of luck and sold it to me for $200 from new with everything... 17" LCD, AiO printer everything all boxed unopened. :)  So at the time, it was a bargain and a half. It's why I'm so attached to it.

Strange really.

Lol, it's still under warrently till Sept. 2010.

Anyways...
a b V Motherboard
September 10, 2009 11:00:47 PM

Yes, the chipset supports the e2180.
You will defiantly want to check directly with Dell to see what CPUs the BIOS will support before buying it.
a b V Motherboard
September 11, 2009 4:49:45 AM

The 945G chipset is PCIe 1.
Not really an issue though as PCIe is backwards and forwards compatible.
This means that, as long as your PSU is up to the task, you will be able to run any GPU on it.
September 11, 2009 8:07:23 PM

outlw6669 said:
The 945G chipset is PCIe 1.
Not really an issue though as PCIe is backwards and forwards compatible.
This means that, as long as your PSU is up to the task, you will be able to run any GPU on it.


Alrighty then, sweeat! I was thinking on getting a GTS250 and upgrading bit by bit without the need for a whole new motherboard/case etc.

So the first thing will to get a 600W PSU (OcZ?) then get the GPU followed by 4GB of DDR2 800Mhz Crucial Ram, then a basic e2180 of ebay for $20 intill I can upgrade to another case/mobo/cpu.

Should do me till the end of the year thats for sure.
a b V Motherboard
September 11, 2009 8:28:00 PM

Assuming the case will work, you can get a cheap motherboard (S2L,etc) and a E5200/E6300 and OC it.
September 11, 2009 8:54:40 PM

Shadow703793 said:
Assuming the case will work, you can get a cheap motherboard (S2L,etc) and a E5200/E6300 and OC it.


The case will fit anything from an ordinary PC, just not its motherboard as this only supports BTX.

I was thinking about going for a gigabyte G31 and a Q8200 with a good PC case in good time...
a b V Motherboard
September 11, 2009 9:34:05 PM
September 11, 2009 9:41:47 PM

^^ Don't forget, that the motherboard in question is a (probbally limited to everything) Dell OEM board... And everyone knows how Dell is.
a b V Motherboard
September 11, 2009 9:54:54 PM

There is little doubt the motherboard could not support 45nm CPUs, as the latest BIOS predates 45nm launch by two years. But later revisions of the Intel 945 Express are capable of supporting 45nm dual core models.
September 11, 2009 10:40:38 PM

Hmm, this is worth asking Dell. It's a shame there closed, and won't open till Monday. (online chat that is.)
a b V Motherboard
September 12, 2009 12:16:26 AM
a b V Motherboard
September 12, 2009 12:49:37 AM

godbrother said:
Hmm, this is worth asking Dell. It's a shame there closed, and won't open till Monday. (online chat that is.)
Not really. The motherboard was designed before 65nm Core 2 Duo even launched, before the A2 revision of the Intel 945 chipset that enabled support for 1066MHz FSB and 45nm, and the BIOS is over two years old. There is zero chance of 45nm working on this board design, chipset revision, and BIOS. I was not suggesting that 45nm would work on this particular board, only clarifying that later revisions of the 945 chipset can support 45nm.

Quote:
I doubt that would work. It list the BIOS version "All" I doubt the new E7xxx would work.

Huh? I listed seven different examples. Which "it" are you referring to?
a b V Motherboard
September 12, 2009 4:28:10 PM

^The point I was making was the manufacture says the 45nms work since BIOS "ALL" which I doubt.
a b V Motherboard
September 12, 2009 10:22:26 PM

Shadow703793 said:
^The point I was making was the manufacture says the 45nms work since BIOS "ALL" which I doubt.
I presume you are referring to the ASRock 945GCM-S (since you fail to specify), which is a fairly recent model launched in September 2008. Any motherboard launched in Q4/2008 is going to support most 45nm from the 'first release BIOS'. Nothing "doubtful" about it, but I can find several more if you like.
a b V Motherboard
September 13, 2009 1:35:00 AM

^Yes, I was talking about the ASRock. I see what you mean. But the fact is still the chipset is old and may have incompatibility.
a b V Motherboard
September 13, 2009 2:32:41 AM

Shadow703793 said:
^Yes, I was talking about the ASRock. I see what you mean. But the fact is still the chipset is old and may have incompatibility.
The chipset itself has far less to do with supporting 45nm than the motherboard PCB and VRM design. ASRock has an entire series of Intel 945 boards that even use "Wolfdale" in the model name:

Wolfdale1333-GLAN

Wolfdale1333-GLAN R2.0

Wolfdale1333-GLAN/M2

Wolfdale1333-D667

Wolfdale1333-D667 R2.0

Wolfdale1333-DVI


All fully support 45nm Wolfdale-based CPUs. 45nm Wolfdale models are not some "magical" new kind of CPU design that requires entirely new core logic (like Core i7 does). Its nothing more than an improved and shrunk Conroe 65nm design. Quad core requires an extra pair of logic signals (A/GTL+) which must be supported by the chipset, but the dual-core models can be supported by any chipset that can be implemented on LGA775 boards (including the older Intel 865 AGP chipsets).
September 23, 2009 12:09:08 AM

Hi, OK I'm back again. I just wanted to know if anyone could find out if the motherboard I own supported the E2180. I contacted dells live support desk, and he was being a jerk on the other end becuase he didn't want me to upgrade, kept sliding the question aside when I asked him.

And I paid $300 for 5 years support? Bollocks to that. Anyways, I really need to find out if THIS motherboard actually supports the E2180.

If it dosn't then I'm just going to take a alternative route and go with a Pentium D 3.0Ghz 4MB Cache CPU. Which is pretty much the same as a 1.8-2.0Ghz Pentium Dual Core. Plus, they cost $20 in the U.K.
September 23, 2009 12:21:21 AM

It probably will not work with the e2180. The e2180 I think was released July 2007, but the only bios update for the dell 5100 was dated Aug 2006.
September 23, 2009 4:36:15 PM

orangegator said:
It probably will not work with the e2180. The e2180 I think was released July 2007, but the only bios update for the dell 5100 was dated Aug 2006.


Hmm, I see. Well no problem, I'll go with a Pentium D, I used to own the PD-820 and it did the job great.
!