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ok, so i was in the middle of installing the new RC from microsoft of 7 and about 3 quarters of the way done my comp shuts down.

so, i turned off my PSU, unplugged the cable, and let it sit for a few minutes off. I tried turning it on (and yes, i plugged the cable back in and turned PSU on)and all i got was a flash of life from my fans and then it was back off again...

now worried, i disasembled my computer on a nice clean wooden surface with just the mobo, CPU(with HSF), one 3870, one stick of ram, hd, and whatever else i forgot to mention.
alas, same thing happened... so that eliminated the possibility of a short.

Im almost positive that its my PSU thats either dead or dying. either that or my 5000+ has reached the end of its life (overclocked at 3.25GHZ with 1.478V)
help a brotha out??

here's my piece of s*** PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817152028

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Loading windows shouldn't have strained the PSU. I was working on a computer once that had a bad heatsink install that prevented the CPU from working correctly. I normally wouldn't mention it, but you do have a highish Vcore.

Seeing as its the easy test, try it with a different PSU first. It could be your issue. If it still won't start, I'd look at the CPU next.

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Reply to 4745454b

thanks for the reply!

the only problem is i dont have another PSU to test with, when I upgraded to my raidmax i threw out my old one (bad move i know)
another thing i noticed before my system died is that i was required to add more volts when overclocking.. i mean i used to hit 3.25ghz at only 1.39V either my CPU or PSU has been slowly dying
(or mobo, *shudders*)

i did however swap out my HSF and tried my old golden orb II... no luck though

god this is gettin old... well, if it is a PSU issue, i will probably order one tomarow.
any recomendations? ive been lookin at this OCZ one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817341002
looks pretty solid, but if its a CPU issue then i wouldnt mind upgrading to a phenomII

Reply to rambo117

Nobody around you can barrow one from for a day or hour? You just need to boot with a different one. Check around, its not like your going to be using it.

I'm not a fan of OCZ PSUs anymore. They've used CWT for far to long and have been passed in quality. Try to stick with Antec, Corsair, PCP&C, and Seasonic as much as you can. (alphabetical order, not preference.) I'm not saying thats a bad one, just thinking you could probably do better if you looked around a bit more.

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Reply to 4745454b

You have reset the CMOS before testing so everything is back at stock speeds? Just a thought as it sounds like you've been issues with the overclock.

Reply to MMclachlan
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817153039 I've had the same problem with raidmax, funny thing is it happened when I was putting W7RC on my media center machine.


Message edited by baddad on 06-29-2009 at 01:49:43 PM
Reply to baddad

yah, im the only one in my small hick town that i know who has a gaming computer... so i doubt there is anything i can do as far as check with another PSU..
i was actually looking at a corsair 650W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139005
it has some insane amperage on the 12v rail.

yes, i reset CMOS, no luck... now my computer wont even flicker when i try to turn it on, it just sits there dead.

and baddad, i know that i need to put money toward a quality PSU, but i dont want to spend alot over $100. But that thermaltake is pretty bada**, i need a crossfire certified PSU, but, isnt it better to have a single 12v rail instead of having multiple ones?

thankyou all!

Reply to rambo117
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The corsair you linked is the best you can get under 100 (which is its price right now).

And it is far far better to have a single 12v rail instead of multiple ones. Obviously, if you have multiple rails, and overload one, your PSU gets hot or shuts down. Not good.

Reply to Iarwain
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The single rail vs. multiple rail debate is specious, as most PSUs with "multiple rails" actually derive them by putting current limiters on lines from the same rail.
To the list of quality PSUs listed by 4745454b, I'd include Enermax too, but my personal favorite is Antec. An Antec Earthwatts 650W PSU would be an excellent choice: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 817371015.

Reply to jtt283

yah, i think by the end of the day im gonna order that corsair and also a thermaltake V1 just to stay safe with my OCing. found a nice open box one to!!! ;)

thanks for your guys' confirmation of my fears, i kinda figured it was about time to finally do some upgrading. next up is my CPU

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Reply to rambo117

jtt283 wrote :

The single rail vs. multiple rail debate is specious, as most PSUs with "multiple rails" actually derive them by putting current limiters on lines from the same rail.
To the list of quality PSUs listed by 4745454b, I'd include Enermax too, but my personal favorite is Antec. An Antec Earthwatts 650W PSU would be an excellent choice: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 817371015.


damnit, now im leaning toward that earthwatts!
will this give me enough amperage for two OCed 3870s and an OCed CPU though? 25A seems a bit slim compared to the 50A on the corsair im also considering

also a stupid and unimportant thing to me is that i dont like those exposed cables and plain gray on the earthwatts, the corsair is just hella more matching to my systems interior. (yes i know that is definitly unimportant but just a pet peeve of mine)

more oppinions?

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Reply to rambo117

4745454b wrote :

Nobody around you can barrow one from for a day or hour? You just need to boot with a different one. Check around, its not like your going to be using it.

I'm not a fan of OCZ PSUs anymore. They've used CWT for far to long and have been passed in quality. Try to stick with Antec, Corsair, PCP&C, and Seasonic as much as you can. (alphabetical order, not preference.) I'm not saying thats a bad one, just thinking you could probably do better if you looked around a bit more.



Corsair uses CWT fyi.... :P lol

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Reply to royalcrown
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Hmmm, that Antec link is broken, unless you navigate to it. Anyway, it has a combined 45A on its +12V rails, which is more than enough. The 25A you saw was just on one rail, and it has three (22A, 22A, and 25A, but the max is 45A; see, it's essentially one rail, but split up with current limiters).

Reply to jtt283

ohhhh ok.. i thought that multiple rails were rails for certain things like one for graphics cards, one for CPU, one for ect...

so if theyre all combined than a multi rail would be better. i think im goin for that antec instead cause rarely hear anything bad about earthwatts PSUs. and plus id be saving about 15 bucks as well
(guess i'll just paint it black then)

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Reply to rambo117

Lots of companies have used CWT, Antec included. They will build to order, so if you order cheap...

I also wouldn't worry about multi rail vs single. They are all feed by the same source, just split into virtual rails. You'd be fine with a multi rail PSU.

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Reply to 4745454b

so what exactly is the benefit of having multiple rails? i googled it but mainly said it provides safer, cleaner power... is that true?

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Reply to rambo117
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There is no benifit. The down side is you have to keep things on separate rails, because even tho it feeds off one big rail, you can still only bring in the per-rail limit.

Go with the Corsair. Rock solid reliable and looks sexy to boot.

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Reply to B-Unit

Same benefit to having a single rail, none. The only thing you need to worry about is if the PCIe plugs are on the same rail. You'd probably exceed the same rail limit if you did. If you have 3 or 4 rails however, this shouldn't be a problem.

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Reply to 4745454b

i just ordered the corsair PSU and V1 hsf so i wouldnt change my mind again :)
thankyou everyone for your help with me figuring this incident out.

now... what to do for 4ish days without stalker cs and l4d :P

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Reply to rambo117

UM...go outside ?!

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Reply to royalcrown

Yuck. The sun will cause skin cancer and you'll die. This is why I work nights, I never see the sun.

Movie marathon. Go watch all the starwars/startrek films. If you don't have a job, throw in the matrix/LotR movies as well.

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Do NOT feed the TROLLS!
Always a DEMON!
Reply to 4745454b

4745454b wrote :

Yuck. The sun will cause skin cancer and you'll die. This is why I work nights, I never see the sun.

Movie marathon. Go watch all the starwars/startrek films. If you don't have a job, throw in the matrix/LotR movies as well.


amen brother!! soo with ya..
good thing i have all the seasons of voyager and the next generation :)

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Reply to rambo117

There you go, that works to. I myself am only up to season 4 of Enterprise. After that I'm watching all of the original series, movies 1-7, TNG, DS9, Movies 8-10, Voy, then movie 11. Who cares if my @$$ gets huge, who's going to date a geek anyways right?

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Reply to 4745454b

ohh i LOVE enterprise!! such a great series, how far into season 4 are you?
ive got the remastered TOS, its gorgeously redone :)

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Reply to rambo117

Just finished episode 10, I think I can watch 11, 12, and possibly 13 tonight. I doubt I'll get quite that far however.

Did they add anything to the redo, or just new FX?

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Reply to 4745454b

NEEEEERRRRRRDDDSSSSS

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Reply to xtream_ocer_intel_nvidia

Of course we are, WTF are you? [/jk]

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Reply to 4745454b


pshh nerds kick a$$!! we iz gun hax u

yah! they redid the sounds, ships, and increased the rez to about 720ish
it looks great on my 42in
almost like watching a new star trek series :)

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