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I am looking at the following CPU upgrades. Which one is the best upgrade for a e6400?

1. e8400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115037

or

2. Q6600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115017

My mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131025

I realize neither of these CPUs are a good as the i7, but I don't want to get a new motherboard. Currently I use my PC for work (nothing too CPU intensive) I play games and run folding@home. My wife does some lite picture and video editing.

thanks for your input.

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I'd go for the e8200 ($99.95 at microcenter) if they still have any in stock. The q6600 only runs at 2400, so unless you overclock it, it won't be any faster than your current cpu. The e8200 is a better value if microcenter still has any left.

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Due to chipset limitation, i975X chipset is not able to support all the features of 45nm CPU. The following is a list of the limitations:

1. VT function does not work.
2. The maximum FSB is capped at 1066MHz.
3. 0.5 CPU multiplier is not supported.
4. L2 cache size is not recognized correctly. However L2 cache is still functioning.




http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.as [...] &product=6


Some folks have had problems - others seem to work their way past them.

If you need a little more powah how about the OEM e6850 from eWiz for $126 ??
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=E [...] 40e05e110a


Reply to wisecracker

The ASUS P5W DH Deluxe CPU support page shows that the Q6600 is supported but it looks like any 45nm or 1333FSB CPU will have only limited support due to chip set limitations.

Digging around the FAQ, I found the previously noted CPU feature limitations and also this answer to a poster running a E8300 well (but without Speed Step):

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P5W DH Deluxe is based on Intel X975 chip set, which limits FSB at 800MHz. With ASUS unique overclock technology, this motherboard is able to be running at FSB 1066MHz. When Intel launched FSB 1333MHz CPUs, we once again overclocked FSB to 1333MHz to support them. However, considering system stability, we do not support FSB and multiplier modification upon 1333MHz FSB platform. That's why EIST and C1E functions are disabled on your PC.



The way I see it, you've got three problems; mobo chipset limitations, 65nm CPU (runs hotter than 45nm), and only 2MB of L2 cache. On the plus side, a Dual Core CPU generates less heat than a Quad Core one.

Personally, with a P965 mobo myself, I recently chose the E8200 for $99 at MicroCenter option as an upgrade to my E6400 to get a cooler-running 45nm CPU (for overclocking) and 6MB of L2 cache. With the same 8x CPU multiplier as the E6400 I'd get the same CPU frequency at default 1066MHz FSB or a quasi-overclock at 1333MHz FSB or a cooler 50% overclock at 1600Mhz FSB.

In your case though, the switch to a Wolfdale CPU comes with significant strings attached. Meanwhile, switching to another Conroe CPU won't likely provide any great benefit. For media encoding apps that are able to utilize it's four cores, a Kentsfield Q6600 (B3 or G0 stepping - not sure which is better) provides 8MB of L2 cache (2 x 4MB) on a 1066Mhz default FSB with a 9x CPU multiplier. Up to you if the ~$200 price is worth it. In the USA, used E6400's are selling for $75-100 on eBay so factor that $$ into your cost calculations.

The E6850 for $126 suggestion seems a little absurd in that it's a 1333MHz FSB CPU while still being only a Dual Core, 65nm chip. With only the same 9x CPU multiplier as the Q6600, it seems to me that you'd be loosing more with a E6850 than you stand to gain with a Q6600.

Personally, in your shoes I think I'd buy myself a new mouse and stop the upgrade there while waiting to see what the upcoming Lynnfield LGA1156 CPU's look like.

Regards.

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Message edited by Clones123 on 07-02-2009 at 06:49:39 AM
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Thanks for the input. After hearing the problems with my motherboard I will wait for the new Lynnfield CPU's. Hopefully DDR3 will be a bit cheaper then. I did need to calm my upgrade itch so I got a new Radeon 4770. The Geforce 7600 gt was getting pretty old.


Message edited by TheOnion on 07-02-2009 at 06:06:42 AM
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Clones123 wrote :

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The E6850 for $126 suggestion seems a little absurd in that it's a 1333MHz FSB CPU while still being only a Dual Core, 65nm chip. With only the same 9x CPU multiplier as the Q6600, it seems to me that you'd be loosing more with a E6850 than you stand to gain with a Q6600.




The Asus with a 65nm proc (specifically the e6850 being fully supported on the Asus CPU support list), for whatever reason, is capable of running a 333MHz FSB.

Quite frankly, 9x400MHz FSB is easily within reach and would bring him in at 3.6GHz, run his RAMs synchronously if he has DDR2 800, and run comparably to the 45nm e8400 at the same clock speed.

And cost $75 less than the Q6600 (which the OP clearly does not need).

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wisecracker wrote :

The Asus with a 65nm proc (specifically the e6850 being fully supported on the Asus CPU support list), for whatever reason, is capable of running a 333MHz FSB.


I hadn't noticed last night that the CPU Support list shows unqualified support for the E6750 and E6850 despite their 1333FSB speeds. That seems hard to trust though when ASUS makes clear in their FAQ that the i975X chipset has limited spoort for FSB speeds above the chipset's native 800MHz (overclocked to 1066FSB by ASUS).

I wouldn't be keen myself to loose EIST and C1E functionality but that's a personal choice - anyone else might feel differently as it's not necessarily a big deal.

An E6850 for $126 less, say, ~$86 from selling the E6400 on eBay, might indeed be worth it then to go from 3.2GHz (8x400) to 3.6GHz (9x400) plus doubling the L2 cache to 4MB. Calling that choice "a little absurd" may have been going too far on my part.

Apologies.


Message edited by Clones123 on 07-02-2009 at 05:45:35 PM
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