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yes or no, CAN the death penalty help lower crime rates?

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Yes, make it available to more crimes too (anything with a couple decade sentence). I would also legalize ALL drugs. :smile:

A truly free country with harsh penalties for breaking the few laws would be my utopia.

Reply to Stain

I vote no; because if they are crazy enough to do something that needs the death sentence, I doubt he/she will care whether they live thru the consequences of their decision or not. (I'm not sure if that made sense but I can't get the right wording on what I'm trying to say.)

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Reply to ksoth

Wouldn't a miserable life in a tiny cell where they're only allowed out once a day be worse than dying and escaping that type of life?
So long as they don't get the lower security prisons where the're not in their own cells and they have tennis courts and pools and stuff.
Although if anyone killed a loved one of mine, I'd want them dead for sure!

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Reply to melb_angel19

Yeah, if somebody killed my parents or something, I would find them myself and send a bullet through there brain. I am not scared to kill a person, I'm too smart to do it though. If the person does something such as killing my parents (who I love and respect them most out of anybody) they would not survive, as I know people, people who could help me. Remember, its not what you know, its who you know. Oh, and what you're packing. I want you all to know it would take an outrageous act like that described above for me to kill somebody, so I'm NOT a crazed lunitic or something, just somebody with moral values.

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Reply to skligmund

It should be applied consistently where a violent crime results in loss of life. In this situation, death penalty applies, and should always apply. Once the perp has been sentenced, then an appeal should be immediately launched and all possible courses of action taken and examined within a 6 month period, thereby ensuring that the perp doesn't spend 10 years on death row. Why waste good taxpayers money?

Only when new laws are introduced acrosss the board stipulating where the death penalty applies, and is enforced 100%, will crime fall, as people see just what awaits them.

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Reply to RobD

I voted no as you could've expected.

What is your goal with this poll? If you want to use this to support your arguments I suggest you find something better.

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Reply to svol

Exactly what I think as well.

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Reply to eden

no it won't, but it can empty the prisons of the life-sentence people
people don't commit crimes while they're thinking of the consequences - they never expect to get caught, or if they DO think they're gonna get caught, they don't care about the penalty period (the death sentence = THAT much worse than life in prison that it would change the person's mind? i don't think so)

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Reply to LtBlue14

If our prisons were "better :wink: " life sentances would be much worse than death.

If it were all up to me there would only be three types of punishment:
Fines w/parole
Deportation
Death (by firing squad)

*note no prisons

Reply to Stain

Oh!

I heard they're looking for someone to take on the job for head of security in Argentina if you're interested?

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I agree with your attitude, if not your solutions.

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Reply to camieabz

Hmm, I'm guessing:

Fines w/parole for lesser crimes, I imagine (midemeanors, etc)
Death for really serious stuff? (murder)

But deportation for everything in between? To which countries would you deport that many people?

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Reply to Auburn9698

Anywhere from Canada to Mexico to Zimbabwe to Russia to India to Argentina to Antartica if need be.

Basically anywhere they will take 'em. It would be up to the convict and thier lawyer to find a place of refuge, delaying/stalling this process would result in fines.

Reply to Stain

So you'd expect them to call up some country and say something like, "Hey, my country is trying to get rid of me because I'm a career criminal and a menace to society. Will you take me?"

I'm sure all those countries will be really grateful for such a wonderful opportunity.

Lots of people aren't threatened by fines.

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Reply to Auburn9698

Fines would increase exponentially, failure to pay would elevate punishment to death! So basically you better find a way to get your law breaking ass out cause you aren't going to like what happens if you stay here.

I'm sure some country would find a use for these people.

Reply to Stain

You can't deport someone from their own country of origin.

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Reply to RobD

So you'd have the death penalty for not paying fines? A tad extreme. Rob is right, too.

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War EagleEdited by Auburn9698 on 06/16/03 10:29 AM.

Reply to Auburn9698

Think of it as asking them to politely leave. We would not be forcing other countries to take them merely providing them the opportunity to leave the country (as a fugitive) rather than "pay" for their crimes with us.

Reply to Stain

You would be deported for not paying fines, if you are to be deported but cannot find a country to take refuge in and cannot pay the fines incurred from refusing to leave then you would be removed from society by being put to death.

Keep in mind they would have a fair amount of time to seek refuge (while in police custody of course).

Reply to Stain

Why not "invite" them onto a sun drenched island somewhere in the middle of the Pacific, hundreds of miles from anywhere.

And then do some nuclear weapon testing.

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Reply to RobD

That would be cruel, the same reason why murdering 1 person and murdering 100 would have the same penalty (death).

It's cruel to arrive at the same end result by different means (ie torture, medical experimentation, etc). There is no reason be cruel and I'm a nice guy.

Reply to Stain

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Fines would increase exponentially, failure to pay would elevate punishment to death!

Actually, you said they'd be put to death for not paying fines. Re-read your own post, if you need to.

I don't think that being vaporized in a fraction of a second from having a nuke dropped on you is cruel and unusual. Would be quicker that many, if not all, conventional methods.

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Reply to Auburn9698

I was refering to the fines that you would get for delaying your deportation which is what I thought you were refering to when you said, "Lots of people aren't threatened by fines."

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I don't think that being vaporized in a fraction of a second from having a nuke dropped on you is cruel and unusual. Would be quicker that many, if not all, conventional methods.

First no one can prove that being vaporized isn't the most horrible painful death possible (unless you believe in talking to dead people). Second, that would be incredibly expensive and completely unrealistic to nuke everyone to death. Third, everyone is killed the same way, this is most fair way to do it. Weather they want to be boiled to death or have sex to death (somehow), there is no choice.

Reply to Stain

That is what I was talking about. So putting people to death for not paying a stupid fine isn't cruel?

If someone detonated a nuke right on, you, you'd be history before you had a chance to register pain.

So what would be your "fair" way of killing everybody that didn't pay their fines for refusing to leave their own country?

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Reply to Auburn9698

I'll admit it's pretty severe/harsh but it isn't cruel, there is a difference.

Fair is giving everyone equal treatment, my method of choice would be firing squad as I mentioned before.

Reply to Stain

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Second, that would be incredibly expensive and completely unrealistic to nuke everyone to death

Not really. You've got to ship 'em out of you're country anyway, so there's no extra cost involved in dumping them on an island in the middle of nowhere. And you've got to test nuclear weapons anyway, so again, no extra cost.

And then...

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Third, everyone is killed the same way, this is most fair way to do it. Weather they want to be boiled to death or have sex to death (somehow), there is no choice.

Equal rights for everyone. They all die within a split second, and having studied army training vids on nuclear warfare, it is a very very quick death. You wouldn't feel it. So, in a pain sense, it would be a very humane way to day, although not exactly your conventional death sentence.

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Reply to RobD

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You've got to ship 'em out of you're country anyway

LoL we aren't paying for any of that! It's all on them or they can stay and die :smile:

Reply to Stain

15 vs 10... even if he wants to use it 60% pro isn't going to stand strong in an argument.

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Reply to svol

I've got it. Freeze their bank accounts when you sentence themand then confiscate all their money and assets. You make money and, in a roundabout way, they pay for their own death. Now that's sensible governing!

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Reply to RobD

That's your opinion. I'd consider it pretty damned cruel if somebody put me in front of a firing squad for not paying a fine.

You consider being instantly evaporated before having a chance to register pain as cruel, but put in front of a firing squad isn't? That's hilarious.

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All of you who voted no are just simply wrong.

Lets just look at the exact question:
CAN the death penalty help lower crime rates?

If the death penalty were employed for even the smallest of crimes you can't possibly say that those crime rates wouldn't lower. Think if you got caught 1mph over the speed limit they would kill you. Do you think we would have much speeders? Even if we just took 10000 "innocent" people and killed them surely one of them was bound to commit some sort of crime eventually, well they can't do it now, so bam lower crime!

The keyword is CAN. It leaves it open ended so you can say, "Yes, if it were like this...
So Yes of course it CAN. Does the death penalty lower crime rates? Check the statistics.

Reply to Stain

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That's your opinion. I'd consider it pretty damned cruel if somebody put me in front of a firing squad for not paying a fine.

Well as they say, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

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You consider being instantly evaporated before having a chance to register pain as cruel, but put in front of a firing squad isn't? That's hilarious.

It's cruel because it's unfair to the people who are put to death by a different means. By giving someone a "better" (less painful) death than someone else you are being cruel to those who don't get killed in this manner.

Reply to Stain

You're insane.

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Reply to Stain

Failure to pay a fine should in no way, shape, or form justify execution. If you think it does, then DH is right, and you're insane.

The fact that one method is "different" from another does not make either one cruel. Hey, I'm all for letting those on death row choose their own method, while you're insistent on having to use the same one for all. If someone chooses a certain method for their own death, who are we to argue with that? They freaking chose it themselves.

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Reply to Auburn9698

Let me ask you this:
What would you do with criminals if you couldn't put them in prison?

Reply to Stain

A) That's far too vague to answer. Depends on the crime, man. The term "criminals" could mean anybody from a jaywalker to somebody that got busted for selling one ounce of weed to someone that's raped and murderd 67 people.

B) What kind of fantasy world are you talking about?

C) What's the point? We can and do put them in prison. And when a prison reaches its official "capacity", we just cram more of them in there.

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Reply to Auburn9698

A)I'm just going to take this response as you agreeing with me.

B)Utopia :smile:

C)I believe people don't change so there is no point to wasting time and money on prisons.

Reply to Stain

Agreeing with you? As to what, exactly?

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Agreeing with you? As to what, exactly?

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If it were all up to me there would only be three types of punishment:
Fines w/parole
Deportation
Death (by firing squad)

Reply to Stain

I honestly don't know where you thought that I agreed with you about that. In your post above, you're saying that you think there should only be three types of punishment. I was just saying that your question was much too vague to answer. Those three examples I gave were just to illustrate the wide range of "criminals", and point out that the question you asked cannot simply be given one answer, without you getting more specific.

Put down the crack pipe, man. Seriously.

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Reply to Auburn9698

The question was general but not vague. Here's a specific one for you:
What would you do with a repeat offender drunk driver who ran into a family of 4 (mom, dad, daughter, son) killing 2 (mom, son) and injuring the other 2 (dad, daughter) though not severely if there were no prisons?

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All of you who voted no are just simply wrong.

Lets just look at the exact question:
CAN the death penalty help lower crime rates?

If the death penalty were employed for even the smallest of crimes you can't possibly say that those crime rates wouldn't lower. Think if you got caught 1mph over the speed limit they would kill you. Do you think we would have much speeders? Even if we just took 10000 "innocent" people and killed them surely one of them was bound to commit some sort of crime eventually, well they can't do it now, so bam lower crime!

The keyword is CAN. It leaves it open ended so you can say, "Yes, if it were like this...
So Yes of course it CAN. Does the death penalty lower crime rates? Check the statistics

Then it is Scammy's fault for making such a broad question! It is also his fault for using STRICT YES OR NO rather than "Perhaps if..." options, because his question is definitely open ended. Ahh so you see, it isn't voters' fault here!

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Reply to eden

Well, since you're talking about this happening in "Utopia", I wouldn't have to do anything, because it wouldn't happen; Utopia being what it is, and all.

Edit: Nice little rhyme, btw.

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War EagleEdited by Auburn9698 on 06/16/03 08:25 PM.

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I believe people don't change so there is no point to wasting time and money on prisons

Don't you think that you are tarring everyone with the same brush? Not everyone is a career criminal. Some do actually want to be rehabilatated.

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Don't you think that you are tarring everyone with the same brush?

Of course I am, that's the only way to be fair! You want the justice system to be fair don't you?

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Some do actually want to be rehabilatated.

And the ones who don't will say they do! There is no way to tell them appart.

Reply to Stain

Fair?!?!

Executing people because they can't pay a fine is fair?

Refusing to offer a chance for rehabilitation to those that can and want be rehabilitated simply because some can't be is fair?

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