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March 28, 2009 5:49:01 PM

New member with new build

Great forum, lots of info for the newbee’s, like me. I have built a few systems for other people (low budget) and now it is time to build one for me. I have never overclocked before, but it is my main interest at this time. My goal is 4Ghz and above.

My build

Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 or
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500

I no most people will say get the E8500 and get better graphic card with the money saved. Keeping in mind my goal of 4Ghz and being new to Overclocking I thought the E8600 may be a better choice. Your thoughts?

Antec Nine Hundred
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R
EVGA 512-P3-N871-AR GeForce 9800 GTX(G92)
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM
LG Black 22X DVD burner
G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2
I am not sure if this ram is the best choice for this build. Your thoughts?

Power supply, I no it is not the best choice but I got it on sale for $40
Rosewill RP550 550W

The same thing goes for the heatsink, $13 open box
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro
I figured this would get me up and running with upgrading power supply, heatsink & OS in the future.

OS, XP Pro 32bit

So my question is will this setup get me to 4Ghz and above, keeping the temps in line with this heatsink?
That is why I thought the E8600 might be a better choice.

Your thoughts and advice would be welcomed

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March 28, 2009 6:02:34 PM

Your spending $100 on a case, yet your buying a pure crap psu...that's a no no. The E8400 will do 4.0 with decent cooling. The psu down below is modular, and runs dual 12v rails @ 25A.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $164.99 Free Shipping*
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99 ($64.99 after $15.00 Mail-In Rebate) Free Shipping*
OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
March 28, 2009 6:35:28 PM

Change the card to this...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The GTS250...a 9800GTX+ chip on a smaller die...So more efficient and less heat...
Its cheaper than the 9800GTX you have listed...
So from the money saved, invest on a better PSU...the OCZ listed by Why_me is very good...But get this if you want it cheaper...the 500W should be suffice for your setup...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But this would be better as you are planning to overclock to 4Ghz...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 28, 2009 7:06:55 PM

Thanks for the tips, got me thinking again!

GeForce GTS 250 looks attractive, will move to that one

I get it, PS is a peace of crap, but why??

It looks good on paper

Single Rail
1x 20+4-Pin Main Connector
1x 4+4-Pin ATX12V/EPS12V Connector
1x 6-Pin PCI-E Connector
6x 4-Pin Peripheral Connector
4x 5-Pin SATA Connector
2x 4-Pin Floppy Connector
March 28, 2009 7:18:56 PM

That Rosewill runs only 35A on it's single 12v rail which sucks for a 550w psu, not to mention it has an efficiency rating of >60%. That's about as bad as it gets. If your psu dies, there's always a chance of you frying other components. Anyone here worth two cents will say the one thing you never ever want to go cheap on a build with is the psu. That comes before case, vid card, cpu, etc... Your PSU is what powers your system.

The E8400 will do an easy 3.6GHz @ 1600 fsb just by moving up your fsb to (9 x 400). That's not even pushing it. Now a good build is a "balanced build". 4.0 or even 3.6 or to be more honest...stock speeds with the E8400 is in no way going to bottleneck a gts 250. So put your money where it counts. Get the E8400, stick that heatsink you linked...it comes pre applied with MX-2 thermal compound (which is good stuff btw), and bump up that cpu to 3.6 to start. Take the money you saved, and get that OCZ psu and do it right the first time. :) 

btw, that OCZ is a steal right now. With the price, free shipping, and mail in rebate you can't beat it atm.
March 28, 2009 7:37:31 PM

jbarr said:
The same thing goes for the heatsink, $13 open box ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro
Will you get to inspect the cooler before you order it? "Open box" might mean already used. If that's the case you might need to order some thermal compound ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 $7
March 28, 2009 7:52:44 PM

Your stated objective is to overclock to 4.0. ---Why?---
If it is just for the fun of it, start with a E8400 or even less, go to it, and see how well you can do.


I would think that your objective might be to build a good gaming machine.
If that is the case, realize that an E8400 at stock 3.0 can drive a card as powerful as the GTX285 or GTX295 well. The increases in fps that come from overclocking to 4.0 are not that great. I think you should cut back on the cpu and upgrade the vga card to a GTX260-216 or 4870-1gb.

Read the roseswill specs carefully. They measure at 25c, room temperature. A psu in a case needs to run hotter, more like 40c.
efficiency is 60% not near the 80% of a good unit. If you pay for your own electricity, it will actually cost you more over time.
It has only 1 pci-e connector, which won't run anything stronger than your selected card.

I would suggest that you return the psu and get a quality unit from corsair, seasonic, and perhaps antec.
I like the PC P&C silencer 610 for $85 after rebate:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

March 28, 2009 7:58:37 PM

geofelt said:
Your stated objective is to overclock to 4.0. ---Why?---
If it is just for the fun of it, start with a E8400 or even less, go to it, and see how well you can do.


I would think that your objective might be to build a good gaming machine.
If that is the case, realize that an E8400 at stock 3.0 can drive a card as powerful as the GTX285 or GTX295 well. The increases in fps that come from overclocking to 4.0 are not that great. I think you should cut back on the cpu and upgrade the vga card to a GTX260-216 or 4870-1gb.

Read the roseswill specs carefully. They measure at 25c, room temperature. A psu in a case needs to run hotter, more like 40c.
efficiency is 60% not near the 80% of a good unit. If you pay for your own electricity, it will actually cost you more over time.
It has only 1 pci-e connector, which won't run anything stronger than your selected card.

I would suggest that you return the psu and get a quality unit from corsair, seasonic, and perhaps antec.
I like the PC P&C silencer 610 for $85 after rebate:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


+1 for that post. A E7400 would be a perfect match for that gts 250. But as far as the psu goes, that OCZ 550w I posted will run a gtx 285 and still leave plenty of juice left over and then some.
March 28, 2009 8:03:47 PM

Thinking about the open box cooler a bit more - for $20 (after rebate) you could get a new-in-the-box Sunbeam 92mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler. It also has a fan speed controller in the accessory pack if you want to use that to manually adjust the fan speed.
edit; I really hope you can return the open box cooler.

The 120mm version is a very good bargain @ $30 after rebate & free shipping Sunbeam 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler It's still on the Top 5 Best CPU cooler list @ FrostyTech if you want to read a review.

To help pay for the good CPU cooler - look at the OCZ StealthXStream 600W PSU $50 after rebate also with free shipping
OCZ StealthXStream 600W review
March 28, 2009 8:09:31 PM

I like geofelt's advice to get the GTX 260/216 and E8400.
You can spend less on the case as well to get the better performing GPU to fit into your budget.
March 28, 2009 9:23:04 PM

OK……..Power supply has to go, Move to CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139005

CPU E8400 or E8500

Open box Cooler ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro was bought on line, unseen, $12.99 + shipping, 20 bucks, no big deal putting it in the spar parts box. It came in original box, thermal compound on heatsink, fan and cable. Will this cooler provide adequate cooling for an E8400 at 3.6 or 4.0?
Or do I need to get one of these and why?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835233003
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835233029

Yes my objective is to build a good gaming machine, sorry I left that out.

GeForce GTS 250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $117 + shipping

GeForce 9800 GTX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $135 + shipping

GeForce GTX 260
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $190 + shipping

The GTS 250 is definitly the bang for the buck right now. Would the GTX 260 be over kill? I will be playing FPS games, Crysis & Halo on a ViewSonic 22” 1680 X1050 screen.
March 28, 2009 9:30:53 PM

That hs will easilly allow you to bump up that E8400 to 3.6 ...maybe even more. 3.6 though is a nice oc with that cpu... 9x400.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/913/1/ <---here's some reviews on that gts 250 1gig

http://techreport.com/articles.x/16504 <---another review on that card that's worth looking at.

Check out the the difference in FPS between the gts 250 512mb and the gts 250 1gig on those charts listed in those reviews.
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