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December 10, 2010 12:02:43 PM

Hello. I know the TJ Max is 62C for Phenom

WHat is the temperature that I should care about?

There are 2 values
A) CPU TEMP
B) CORE TEMP

they are about 7C-10C different

I tried with Everest and Hardware monitor



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December 10, 2010 1:19:18 PM

Those temperature readings are backwards or incorrect altogether. It's impossible for the cpu temperature to be higher than the core temps. I would try coretemp, it won't give you cpu temp but will give you an idea where your at. It's unlikely all the cores are sitting at exactly 50c, somethings wrong there.

In core temp make sure you keep your temperatures under 70c for 24/7 operation and your good.
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December 10, 2010 5:29:36 PM

All of the x6 processors will report core temps that are ~10C lower than the CPU temp. I would just make sure that the CPU temp doesn't go above 60C, giving a couple degrees of cushion.
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December 10, 2010 6:26:40 PM

If your going to use cpu temperature as a measuring stick, keep in mind max cpu temp is around 62c. So obviously keep it under 60c for 24/7 operation.
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December 10, 2010 6:28:29 PM

Hi.

Do you have the CPU overclocked? Do you use the stock cooler?, the temps seems a little high.
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December 10, 2010 8:14:53 PM

I run the Coolermaster V8
what is the difference of thermal paste?

1) No thermal paste
2) normal thermal paste
3) super fancy thermal paste

I can buy a thermal paste if it makes sense

in all honesty, as long as the temperature is under 60C 24/7, I'm happy

I'm going to use the CPU temp as a measuring stick

In that example, it was 57C so I guess I'm good

Also, what is the difference between a Coolermaster V8 with 2 fans (I can even put 3)
or a Corsair H70?

I just spend money on motherboard and CPU, at the moment I don't think I can buy the H70 but it's definitively an option if it's worth it
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December 11, 2010 12:37:58 AM

I would say that you must be using the thermal paste that came with the cooler, since you haven't fried it yet! You may or may not get a bit of improvement with better thermal paste.

Also you could put another fan on your cooler but probably won't see too much of a difference. Maybe a couple of degrees for each change, maybe not!
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December 11, 2010 12:38:29 AM

1) forget no thermal paste - you can get it for like 5$ and you'll avoid to burn your cpu.
2) V8 is overrated, you can get cheaper cooler and close or better than this one.
3) From what I read (not an AMD fan at all) bellow 55C CORE TEMP is safe 24/7 overclock
4) I highly recommend you to try CORE TEMP to monitor temperature. You can try to use REAL TEMP if you suspect core temp to fail.

Note: the H70 isn't a really good cooler, it's noisier than other cooler at the same performance/ price range.
If you're looking for a great cooling solution you should check for Noctua.
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December 11, 2010 11:22:49 PM

I bought the Corsair H70
Hopefully I will be able to run my Intel Core i7 875k @ 4Ghz
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December 11, 2010 11:39:23 PM

The H70 is overrated. The 875K can easily OC to 4ghz w/o fake liquid cooling. At 100$ the H70 isn't justifiable when a 70$ cooler (like the NH-D14, or for that matter the Megahlaems in dual fan) could do the same job. Also if you were thinking the H70 is going make your system quiet. It's not, the performance setting dBa on the H70 is about 44-45 dbA, that's about the Hyper 212+'s stock fan, a bit louder.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
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December 12, 2010 1:34:08 AM

Also, there is a lot of horror story with the corsair water coolers.
Think at it, 2 years guarantee vs 6 years guarantee for air coolers (talking about noctua).
Water cooling include more components (the pump, will more likely get defective with time) thus the chance that it won't last long increase... I let you imagine what happen to a i7 not cooled properly :D 

Water cooling is good, but with such a small radiator and a cheap pump, chances are that you won't have the performance of a real water cooling system.
That was my 2 cents, I suggest you to go for air cooling system; you'll have better temp and save some bucks for better performance :) 
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December 12, 2010 8:34:19 AM

Well I do have a Coolermaster V80

Maybe I can buy a new one?

I've heard the CPU cooler is as good as your ventilator

I bought the Thermaltake Armor in order to use it with Water Cooling, since it's supposedly water cooling compatible

If you can help me pick a good/reliable water cooling system, I'll buy it, if it make sense

My Intel Core i7 875k with Coolermaster V8 reaches 85C
My Intel Core iy 875k with Corsair H70 reaches 85C

go figure
$100 to the trash
I'm going to refund that and go to the PINK FLOYD CONCERT tomorrow :) 

However, I'm still willing to invest money some day to make my 875k reach 4.0Ghz or 4.1Ghz
But if that's going to cost me $300 then I don't know

Is there a REALLY good water cooling solution that is solid, no leaks, and lasts for years?

I know the Thermaltake Armor has one option with LCS + Armor included

Sometimes I regret not buying that, it seems like they don't sell the LCS by itself
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December 12, 2010 6:26:33 PM

Yes. You can build a custom water-cooled solution to fit your case by buying the pieces from Koolance.com
I've built mine mid 2008 and still use the same parts, and have only had to refill the resevoir 4 times. Yes, it's expensive, but my computer still impresses to this day. Just make sure to buy enough tubing to suit the mistakes you'll inevitably make.
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December 12, 2010 6:42:29 PM

No, a decent air cooler can get the 875K to around 4.1 or 4.2. You don't need a custom loop. Be it, you'd get lower temps and MAYBE a quieter cooling system. But you don't need a loop. Something like a Prolimatech Megahlems w/ dual fans or Venomous X w/ dual fans could cool the 875K EASILY.

So you could go a WCing route, you could stay with the air.

If you did go WCing I recommend this kit.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...
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December 12, 2010 10:57:12 PM

I am going to buy Arctic Silver Thermal paste now

In all fairness I didn't applied an extra layer of thermal paste to the AMD Phenom XII 1090T, so I can't say the results are fair

I even bought Corsair H70 and that has little to no thermal paste, so I need to buy Arctic to see what are the results with that

Right now I have Intel Core i7 875k and I THINK I'm going to stay with it for a while, I've been trying to sell that CPU for months now, nobody wants it
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December 13, 2010 12:39:12 AM

How much do you sell your CPU? How long have you been using it? At which frequency? Voltage?
I may be interested.

And have you ever run it without any paste?
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December 13, 2010 3:03:44 AM

I bought Arctic Thermal Paste and installed the Intel Core i7 875k for around 3 months

After that the motherboard had an issue, I was trying to add more RAM and A1/A2 were damaged

Then I bought AMD Phenom II X6 1090T and temperatures were fine

Then I bought Corsair H70 and tested it with Intel Core i7 875k

Temperatures were not good, I was reaching 85C so I stopped the test and asked for help

Today I re-arranged the Corsair H70 and turned the PC on, but the thermal paste was kind of washed out

I ran without paste for about a minute, I have Everest so I saw temperatures reach 90 and I turned off the PC

so I guess that's 60 seconds

Today I bought the Diamond thermal paste, the guy at Microcenter told me that's the absolute best they have
Only the Arctic MX3 is better than mine

I am running my CPU with water cooling and temperature at 79C (high) on full load (100%)

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December 13, 2010 3:04:33 AM

I have one question now

A) If I am running my Intel Core i7 875k at 4.1Ghz,
B) Is it safe to say I can run a AMD Phenom II X6 1090T at 4.3Ghz?

with the Coolermaster V8, I was running the Intel Core i7 875k @ 3.8Ghz
with the same cooler, I was able to overclock the AMD Phenom II X6 1090T @ 4.00Ghz

Having an AMD Phenom @ 4.3Ghz would be a beast

but, 4.3Ghz Phenom vs 4.1Ghz Intel Core i7 875k, is there really a difference?
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December 13, 2010 3:44:59 AM

There is a huge difference.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=192

There was no 875K so I just took the 880 vs the 1090T. There is a HUGE difference in performance. The 875K at 4.1 will beast on the 1090T at 4.3. Be it, the 1090T is at a higher clock rate, but that isn't the case all the time.

Also, did you properly clean the thermal paste and re-apply it after putting the H70 back on the 875K?

Also, that was the stupidest thing I've ever seen someone attempt. You never power on a computer without thermal paste, you'll risk frying/burning it. I wouldn't buy your CPU for 200$ if I new you attempted that. Ok maybe 200$, but most likely not.
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December 13, 2010 4:15:12 AM

Dude I NEVER said there was no thermal paste

I removed the Coolermaster V8 from the Intel Core i7 875k, and then I applied the H70

Then, the temperatures were not satisfying, so I add another fan to my setup, and I had to remove the Corsair and place it again

at that time, I saw the thermal paste was not 100%, so I thought to myself

"Let's boot and see the temperatures"

So I boot, temperatures were high, 60C

then, I run Prime95
Temperatures went to 80C, 85C, 90C, 94C

that all happened like in 6 seconds

At that time I just turned off the PC from the switch

I use Everest, and I have Logitech G19 keyboard, so I ALWAYS monitor my CPU temperature


Now, regarding your post, are those stock speeds?

I would REALLY like to see a comparison like that (thanks for the link) but with overclocked CPUs

I had a bad experience with AMD, bought the 1055T in the summer, it was SLOOOW on games

I pumped up the voltage, removed Turbo... and man that thing was flying @ 4.0Ghz

so I know AMD sucks because their Turbo is in baby steps and quite honestly it's horrible

But if you manually overclock it it rocks

Anyway, I don't think I'm going to change now unless I can smoothly transition from my Intel Core i7 875k to AMD Phenom II X6 1090T without spending a penny.

I already have a nice motherboard (MSI Big Bang Fuzion), nice water cooling (H70), nice thermal paste (diamond), and a nice CPU @ 4.1Ghz

This whole issue started with my RAM, I'm glad I'm finally running 8Ghz.

It was a true pain in the ass with my previous mobo
The other problem was that I had no idea what Double Channel RAM is

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December 13, 2010 4:46:09 AM

Yes, those are stock clocks. And when you said, "I tried it w/o the paste" I assumed you meant, no TIM at all. So that's why I said what I said.

If you have a Big bang fuzion, with such an expensive board just stick with your Intel build and use the 1090T with productivity or something else. Dual-Ch. Ram is like this the speeds are split between the two rams, for instance if you have 4gigs running at 1600 should it be in dual channel, it splits it so each is running at 800/800, but in CPU-Z it'll show you that they are actually running at 1600.
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December 13, 2010 5:04:14 AM

Yeah I assume an Intel Core i7 875k overclocked to 3800Mhz with stock cooler will reach the TJ Max of 99C

About the Dual Channel RAM, I assume it's like RAID, twice as fast

However, my problem is not RAM speed, it's the ammount of RAM I need.

My RAM was being used 80%-100% most of the time, it was a bottleneck

in all honesty I haven't tried Dual Ram (I have 12GB of RAM, 4GB-2GB-4GB-2GB), so that will give me 6GB Dual Channel

However, I suppose running just 8GB in single channel is better

4GB was a REAL bottleneck, 6GB might not solve the issue.

What do you think?

When installing games (8GB-12GB), RAM was being used 100% and the whole computer was stupid

About the Phenom II X6 1090T, I returned it to the store (with a tear in my eye)

It's just too expensive for me to have two computers

First I had to fix this computer (already did that after buying Corsair H70 and Corsair 8GB XMS3)

Now all I have towards the "new" computer is a lame 400 Watt Ultra power supply and OCZ 4GB DDR3 @ 1333Mhz

So I would need another $400 for a new PC

Anyway, is there a really good CPU from AMD that overclocks really well with a $50 cooler?

I can build a budget PC

I really want to have 2 PCs, in case I'm modding one or something like that
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December 20, 2010 1:57:34 PM

Is 62C the across the board max standard for all cpus?

I have an older x6800 extreme and i read somewhere that 54.8 was its max.
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December 20, 2010 8:49:11 PM

RAID is for HDD's only.

Dual Channel ram is like a stress reliever for ram. Instead of both running say DDR3 1333, they spread the weight of the speed and in the end equal that speed. Dual channel ram is much better than a single stick. RAM shouldn't be bottlenecking. That's just absurd. You sir. You need to read up on ALOT of things before you start building anything or overclocking anything. Clearly you don't even know some of the basics needed =P Sorry to blunt. Read some stickies that's all I can say.

Also just so you know, the reason ram is at 100% when installing games, your archiving. Archiving requires ram. When I archive though, it doesn't go 100% (i only have 4 gigs of dual channel 1600 mhz) So... You got to fix somethings in your system bro. Read up on all the stickies.
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December 20, 2010 9:08:50 PM

aznshinobi said:
RAID is for HDD's only.

Dual Channel ram is like a stress reliever for ram. Instead of both running say DDR3 1333, they spread the weight of the speed and in the end equal that speed. Dual channel ram is much better than a single stick. RAM shouldn't be bottlenecking. That's just absurd. You sir. You need to read up on ALOT of things before you start building anything or overclocking anything. Clearly you don't even know some of the basics needed =P Sorry to blunt. Read some stickies that's all I can say.

Also just so you know, the reason ram is at 100% when installing games, your archiving. Archiving requires ram. When I archive though, it doesn't go 100% (i only have 4 gigs of dual channel 1600 mhz) So... You got to fix somethings in your system bro. Read up on all the stickies.


And you need to learn to be humble before insinuating that I am ignorant.

I am asking questions because I need help

so check your arrogance at the door

you are so "intelligent" that you don't even read my thread.

I cannot use dual channel ram because my motherboard or CPU has a problem.

So unless you have the solution stop pretending you're smarter that everybody else that was nice enough to brainstorm in these beautiful Tom's Hardware Forums
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December 21, 2010 2:16:29 AM

rafarataneneces said:
Yeah I assume an Intel Core i7 875k overclocked to 3800Mhz with stock cooler will reach the TJ Max of 99C

About the Dual Channel RAM, I assume it's like RAID, twice as fast

However, my problem is not RAM speed, it's the ammount of RAM I need.

My RAM was being used 80%-100% most of the time, it was a bottleneck

in all honesty I haven't tried Dual Ram (I have 12GB of RAM, 4GB-2GB-4GB-2GB), so that will give me 6GB Dual Channel

However, I suppose running just 8GB in single channel is better

4GB was a REAL bottleneck, 6GB might not solve the issue.

What do you think?

When installing games (8GB-12GB), RAM was being used 100% and the whole computer was stupid

About the Phenom II X6 1090T, I returned it to the store (with a tear in my eye)

It's just too expensive for me to have two computers

First I had to fix this computer (already did that after buying Corsair H70 and Corsair 8GB XMS3)

Now all I have towards the "new" computer is a lame 400 Watt Ultra power supply and OCZ 4GB DDR3 @ 1333Mhz

So I would need another $400 for a new PC

Anyway, is there a really good CPU from AMD that overclocks really well with a $50 cooler?

I can build a budget PC

I really want to have 2 PCs, in case I'm modding one or something like that


1- RAID is one thing, RAM and dual channel is something totally different.
2- 6GB dual channel? that's not possible, more in the configuration that you have installed the RAM. Dual channel needs runs in pairs, same amount of RAM and same specs, so, 4GB + 2GB = 6GB single channel.
3- 1090T, 1055T, 1070T, 965 BE, 955 BE...select the best for your budget. The problem isn't the CPU.
4- Before RMA the CPU, you should RMA the mobo 1st, if that doesn't works continue with the RAM. The last possible problem is the CPU.
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December 21, 2010 2:53:53 AM

Well, I'm sorry if I was a bit harsh. But check out your entire thready. Not once did you say you COULDN'T use dual channel ram... And how is your memory setup, you can't use dual channel for most 12gb kids because most are 3x4gb. Most dual channels are 8gigs (2x4gb) 4gigs (2x2gb).

Also, from the looks of it, you should be able to run dual channel. (8gb XMS3 kit) look at your CPU-Z again, does is say 800 800 or something that both memory speeds are around that speed. If so, you're running dual channel.

BTW, I just said raid is for HDD because the way you worded seemed like you meant, "RAID is like for RAM where it's an even faster setup". I just reread it and understood you meant, is LIKE raid for an HDD twice as fast.
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December 21, 2010 7:35:38 AM

I spent $180 en MSI Big Banuzion
I have to admit I bought open box

so all the 4 slots work, but if I put A1 + A3, and try to run RAM in Dual Channel mode, then Windows only sees 4GB, the other 4GB are "Hardware Reserved"

This mobo costs $298, so my price to go from this mobo to the new one would be $120

so if you ask me it's not worth it

I can do a RMA for $15 and get a brand new mobo

I had an Asus P7P55D EVO and I had 4GB of RAM

I bought another 4GB, and it didn't worked.

I have to admit in fact there were bent/missing pins (around 4), in the socket of the ASUS

That mobo is in RMA now and I have no idea if they will give me a new one, that mobo I got it for free

Then, I bought Asus Crosshair IV Formula (open box), and Phenom X6 1090T

THE SAME ERROR happened again

if I put ram on A1/A2, it would post, in A3/A4, it wouldn't post

I can certify that there were no broken pins in the CPU (which was brand new)

in fact, AMD has pins in the CPU, so if they are bent, they don't even fit in the socket

My third attempt, I bought a MSI Big Bang Fuzion (open box) from Frys

I bought that mobo because I told the guy I want to spend around $200 or less, so that mobo was the only one they had and it was around that price.

I also thought about Hydra and I wanted to try that

ANYWAY, THE SAME error happened again!

Now, I've tried with 3 motherboards, 2 processors, and 3 different sets of RAM

So, my question was, Dual Channel vs Single Channel, is it 10% faster, 20%, 50%?

If it's 10 or so, or even 20, ok

if it's 80% faster or so, then I need to RMA this board so I can properly use Dual Channel RAM

As you can understand, I don't want to waste more time assembling computers. I want to enjoy my Christmas with my family and overall this is the best mobo I've had this year

The only thing that's not working great is the dual channel, but this mobo is under warranty, so it's not a deal breaker either

I could buy a brand new mobo for around $180, or just return this mobo and wait for my Asus P7P55D EVO to return.

I have no idea if they are going to return it, so if I refund this one, and ASUS rejects my mobo, then I will reject returning this MSI Big Bang

If I don't return the Big Bang, and ASUS sends me a mobo, then I can use that mobo and buy a 655k Unlocked.

I already have diamond thermal paste and a Cooler Maser V8, I would just need 4GB of DDR3 ram and that would be it

can you do a ram test or something with Single Channel and then do one with Dual Channel?

Maybe then we'll discover what's the percentage of improvement
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December 21, 2010 9:06:29 AM

You never buy open box, all I can say.
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December 21, 2010 10:20:56 AM

lesson learned

but for $100 less, it was worth a shot

what I want to do is buy 2 computers, so if I ever have a problem with a mobo, I can still use the other computer

Right now I want to have two computers with Intel Core i7 875k

and then the next year, around November, upgrade one of the computers to either Bulldozer or the next generation after Sandy, which is supposed to be six cores with Intel

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December 21, 2010 8:30:52 PM

Well the i5 2400S is coming out next year on January 9ish. So... I don't think you need a six core, because 6-4cores, their really is hardly a difference. Also the 875K, I'm intrigued why it needs to be in both systems? It's rare when one system is incapacitated.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-pre...
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December 21, 2010 8:32:58 PM

let's say I have a virus, I can fix the computer and use the other one

or let's say I sold my mobo and I need to buy a new one, I can use the other computer in the meantime

I always thought having to good computers in the house is really good, you can even network them and have backups of your important files, etc, etc
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December 21, 2010 8:36:40 PM

This looks like a VERY nice CPU

I wonder if it will be around $300 or so

the problem is that right now I have an MSI Big Bang Fuzion that I bought for $180 so it was a good price.

And my Asus P7P55D is in RMA now

So, to be honest, if I already have 2 motherboards, I might as well use them

From what I know, Intel recommended their SLI users to stay with their current system, and not jump to Sandy.

Sandy is supposed to be targeted to mid-range. In October 2011 or so I think the successor of Sandy should be released, and I think that one had more PCI Express lanes, or something like that

For some reason I always thought "stick with what you have until October 2011"

Do u know anything about that?
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December 21, 2010 8:38:03 PM

I realize that, as I do that as well, however I don't think you need TWO 875Ks do you? I mean I'd just do one with an 875K then like a budget build with a 955 in it. The 955 actually does all the tasks I need to do fairly well. Photoshop 5, Premiere, etc. etc.
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December 21, 2010 8:42:14 PM

aznshinobi said:
I realize that, as I do that as well, however I don't think you need TWO 875Ks do you? I mean I'd just do one with an 875K then like a budget build with a 955 in it. The 955 actually does all the tasks I need to do fairly well. Photoshop 5, Premiere, etc. etc.


well, I want to be honest

if my RMA is approved, I will have 2 motherboards.

I can still return my motherboard until Friday, but that will mean living without computer for 8 days or so.

So I was thinking, if I would have two computers, I wouldn't be having these issues. This is not the first mobo I have sent to RMA, components fail, and warranty is good here in USA.

But still, you have to go through the process of shipping stuff and waiting.

For example, hard drives, I just asked for an RMA for my Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB. That was an expensive baby that went to RMA.

So, redundancy is good, in computers, two of everything is a good practice, sho why not have two computers?

One can be super nice with water cooling and Lucid Hydra and a GTX 460 + GTS 450 multi-GPU solution with a nice 750 modular watt power supply

The other can be a normal 655k with Cooler Master V8 and a normal Asus P7P55D Evo motherboard. Nothing fancy there

I just don't know what to do with the Asus motherboard if they approve the RMA. I can try to sell it but nobody wants it because it's not the current generation
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January 2, 2011 9:37:43 AM

saint19 said:
1- RAID is one thing, RAM and dual channel is something totally different.
2- 6GB dual channel? that's not possible, more in the configuration that you have installed the RAM. Dual channel needs runs in pairs, same amount of RAM and same specs, so, 4GB + 2GB = 6GB single channel.
3- 1090T, 1055T, 1070T, 965 BE, 955 BE...select the best for your budget. The problem isn't the CPU.
4- Before RMA the CPU, you should RMA the mobo 1st, if that doesn't works continue with the RAM. The last possible problem is the CPU.





ok #4 i think needs changed a bit ... i did get a bad 1090t but your right in most cases the cpu isnt the issue in my case i had a 1090t last more or less 2 or 3 days before it died without warning litterally .. i rma ed back to amazon .. by the way one of the best places to purchase from if you didnt know .. sent me one back 2nd day shipping .. before i even sent the first one back.. that was cool as hell any way .. its not unheard of to have a defective cpu albiet very unlikely lol.. i had a crappy run with mine .. what really bugged me was my temps always stayed below 30c at stock full load .. so who knows it was a good proc just crappy luck i did buy a lottery ticket that day .. 1 in like 2,million chances haha shity i suppose .. any way my new one seems even better than the last one .. i had this running at 4ghz max temp 44c using an h50 .. and before you ask ambient temps are like 67 degrees f lol.. and its not even in push pull config just have a 932 ...
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