Total newb.! Will these here parts work?

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First time build. My dad and I will be taking this little project on.

I got a list of parts picked out and was wondering if I could get some of ya'll's input on if they are any good, will be compatible with each other, and if I am missing anything. (I'm probably missing something obvious.)

Here goes...

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $149
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160

or… (Can't decide! Both look good and have good reviews...)

Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $179
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043

CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 $239
PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139007

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor $279
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202

ASRock X58 Supercomputer LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard $294
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157150&nm_mc=KNC-YahooSSP&cm_mmc=KNC-YahooSSP-_-Motherboards+-+Intel-_-ASRock-_-13157150

COOLER MASTER V10 Hybrid TEC RR-B2P-UV10-GP 120mm CPU Cooler $139
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103056

BFG Tech BFGEGTX2951792E GeForce GTX 295 1792MB 896 (448 x 2)-bit $525
GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143167

CORSAIR XMS3 12GB (6 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory $204
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145233

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488

LG Black 6X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 6X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA $200
Internal Blu-ray Burner 6X Blu-ray Disc Burner & HD DVD-ROM Drive Model GGW-H20LK
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136155

ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound $7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186020

My current computer, and next, surely, is/will be used for the following:
(in order of what I use most often to least often)

Playing Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

Playing Call of Duty 5: World at War

Checking e-mail

Surfing the www. Oftentimes five or six tabs of webpages open at one time

iTunes (160 GB iPod, 16 GB iPhone...and only 40 GB of music and small handful of movies. lol)

Microsoft Office 2007

Quicken 2004

Playing FreeCell

A movie now and then (Pretty rare. Got a 47" T.V. with a couch in front of it in other room. Why use PC with 20" monitor and office chair?)

Picture viewing (not editing, just browsing, reminiscing, wondering where the time has gone)

Maybe, if I get bored, Dreamweaver MX 2004. Web page design program. What ya' see is what ya' get.

So, would these parts make a decent machine for what I typically do?

Thanks!

 

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You definatley dont need 12gb ram as only intense design programs use this so just get one kit. that will save some money so you can get a P6T deluxe V2 mobo instead of that asrock heap. dont get 2 1TB get 1 and then a faster velociraptor or even a smaller 7200rpm HDD for apps and OS havent heard good things about the v10 so maybe gat a Thermalright TRUE

Hope this helps
 
It's a lot overkill for a 20" monitor. :)

ASUS P6T deluxe V2:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131365

XFX GTX 285 - add a second later if you get the urge. This is already too much for the monitor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150334

Get this combo deal with this PSU. It's all you need.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.177160

This RAM will work just fine for you:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227381



 

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Since I am on a Dell Dimension 8400, Pentium 4, single channel mother board, 2GB RAM, Windows XP, Radeon X300 GPU anything made within the last two or three years or less will be a step up. lol

Basically, I want to not have to upgrade for a while. Get the best of the best, or close to it, and I will surely be satisfied for several years. This is gonna' be a decent chunk o' change!

Good advice on the motherboard change. I overlooked that one the first time around.

Wouldn't saying, "I have 12GB RAM" be really cool, though? :sol: lol

I read a couple articles about Cas latency. They might as well been written in a forgotten language. The lower the Cas latency number, the faster?

i.e. That 12GB memory I had listed is Cas 9 and that 6GB memory listed by Proximon is 7. Does that mean the 6GB will read faster than the 12GB? That is kinda’ what I thought I read in the ‘What is Cas latency?’ articles.

I am tempted to get a larger monitor in the near future. Would compliment my new machine. They really are not incredibly expensive. Well, cheaper than I thought they would be, anyhow. The bigger the monitor, the more graphics card one will need to power it? With HDMI, it’d be a neat experiment to hook new PC up to the T.V. for some COD. :)

I looked into water cooling first off, but it seems to need a little more maintenance and work than I am looking to give. Besides, this'll be my first build. I build engines and work on cars. I literally just started getting interested in the "mechanics" of computers. However, been using 'em since I was real little. TRS-80, baby!

So is the Antec Twelve Hundred the recommended case? Adequate cooling, space, and style for my needs?

So a VelociRaptor would be considerably better for having the OS and COD loaded onto rather than the 1TB drive? That extra RPM of the VelociRaptor really spins the price up. One of the reviews I read stated, “After adding this to my rig I noticed that map loading times in Battlefield 2, Call of Duty: World At War, etc. were greatly reduced. I went from loading in almost last into servers to loading in before anyone else. Program load times, and Windows startup have also noticeably decreased in time.”, that’s almost sold me right there. :D I HATE getting into games half a minute after everyone else does! What size should I get? 74, 150, or 300GB? Each are 10K RPM, however, price are considerably different for each. Should I get the 74 and just load Vista, games, and few other applications onto it?

74 GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136033
150 GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136296
300 GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136322

Keep in mind I am still getting the one 1TB hard drive mentioned in my initial post.

Also, my dad asked me about a sound card...

I have two Boston Acoustic speakers, matching Boston subwoofer, and a line out of the subwoofer box to my Philips Magnavox home stereo. Home stereo has two big speakers and two little surround sound speakers. I wonder if there is a card that'll let me do a 'true' surround sound with everything I got? That'd sound awesome!

Thanks so much, ya'll!


 

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If you want that super load speed, then get two WD6401AALS drives and run them in raid 0. It will be faster than the Vraps and cheaper, and you get 5x the storage capacity. Just backup your crucial data on your 1TB every so often. WD drives rarely fail, they are extremely reliable so you should be safe with two in raid 0. Don't get Vraps, they are too expensive IMO. They are worth about half what you pay for them. Read write speeds of the 1TB/640gb models mentioned here is like 100mb/s vs 120mb/s with the Vraps, the difference isn't that huge. The person in the reveiw you read must have gone from a 5400rpm/4mb buffer drive to get that kind of load speed increase.
 


About the RAM, yes it is correct better timings on RAM means better performance...and the extra 6GB will not affect much...

As you will be getting a larger monitor later, I would suggest you get a GTX285 for now...It is the most powerful single chip solution(Note: You would know the 295 has 2 260 chips inside) So the 285 will be more efficient than the 295(Though not more powerful than the 295 but is suffice even for a 24" monitor with 1920X1200 resolution) and will run cooler than the 295...
When you get a bigger monitor, buy another 285 for SLI, which will be more powerful than the 295...

Well if you want to get water cooling, you can get factory sealed water cooling kits, which dont require maintenance...

Yes the Antec 1200 will be a good choice...

Well about the comment that you have posted

“After adding this to my rig I noticed that map loading times in Battlefield 2, Call of Duty: World At War, etc. were greatly reduced. I went from loading in almost last into servers to loading in before anyone else. Program load times, and Windows startup have also noticeably decreased in time.”

DId that person specify which HDD he was using previously ???
Mostly he would have been using previous gen HDD, which am sure would be considerably slower than the Velociraptor. But its not the case with the newer HDD...the WD Black is very fast and that difference in loading time is greatly reduced...
But if still you are not convinced, then get the 300GB velociraptor...

As for the sound card, you can get this mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131352
Dont get confused :p
This mobo has SupremeFX X-Fi HD audio and has more features than other boards...So instead of spending on an additonal sound card, get this mobo...
 

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GeForce 285 it is!

So, about the HDD, you're saying two of these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284

would be just fine?

That is one thing I do not get...

the 1TB has 32MB cache - the VelociRaptor has 16MB

the 1TB has 3.0GB/second interface - VelociRaptor also has 3.0GB/second

Does the extra RPM of VelociRaptor really make it that much faster than the 1TB?

Oh, not to mention the 1TB has a WAY, WAY better dollar/GB deal. lol

As for the sound card, the SupremeFX X-Fi audio has some good reviews. However, the board I chose, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131365, has 8 audio channels. Doesn't that mean it'll put a different sound to 8 different speakers for true surround sound? Or is the SupremeFX X-Fi really that much better along with the other features the board you recommend has?

Also, is there anything else on my original list that I am missing essential to computer operation or that would be way cool to get? :D

Thanks! Good stuff!
 


Yes am talking about the Black ones...

And as for the sound cards, difference is the sound processing and the SNR ratio difference...The Supreme FX has better sound processing and better SNR...So going with that mobo, you can save money on the sound card...And that mobo has advanced features also...
 

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Somehow or another, I completely overlooked this post. lol Sorry! I could not agree with you more. I am gonna' go ahead and get the two 1TB like I originally planned. I believe it is completely true that I may be able to get a little faster with another hard drive, but I can get WAY more storage for a cheaper price for juuust slightly slower. Plus, with everything else I am getting, I think I'll feel fast compared to my 8400 Dimension. :)

Ok, so about the CPU cooler... Which will cool better?


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103056&Tpk=coolermaster%20v10 $140
(says for many different CPUs)

or

http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/thermalright-ultra-120-extreme-1366-rt.html $70
(will specifically cool the Intel i7 965 Extreme)

Thanks


 

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I think the V10 does a little bit better cooling, but it depends on how high you OC. I think I saw a review where at a high OC, the V10 actually wasn't quite as good as the TRUE with 2 fans. I would go with the TRUE, much better value there.
 

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Let me ask you this...

I see you have an Intel 920 listed in your signature with a 3.6Ghz overclock. What cooler are you personally running?

shortstuff_mt, thanks for the link to the cooler reviews. Just wish they showed comparisons between different types rather than a review of each by itself. Still, good information there.

Thanks!
 

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I use the CoolerMaster V8. My temps are 35C idle and not over 70C 100% Load Prime95. The V8 is a great cooler, but the TRUE is definitely better. I got a good deal on the V8 which is why I went with it instead.
 

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I can tell you this...IF I could do my build over, I would have gotten one GTX 285 and another a little later (not that I need it) but that combo is just flat awesome from what I have read. I got the GTX 295 and love it but I know now that 2 gtx 285 would be better than 2 gtx 295 as quad sli isn't as good as you would think. And who REALLY needs quad sli....unless your running some 36 inch monster monitor at ungodly resolutions!! Smart choice with the 285's advice well heeded, these gents know what they are talking about.
 

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I wonder why it is separate.

I also wonder how the TRUE (just realized where ya'll got the abbreviation :na: ) exchanges heat so much better than the V10 that has more surface area, more heat pipes, and two 120mm fans rather than one. Well, I reckon the graphs don't lie. They did somethin' right!

Will this work for a fan? It says it is a case fan, but it has the right dimensions for the TRUE. It is dirt cheap and has plenty of good reviews. It'll match my LED on my existing 1TB external Western Digital hard drive and future Antec Twelve Hundred case. :p

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811998121

 

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Oh! Duh! I thought it only included the holder for the fan.

Coolness.

 

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So this is the new and improved list:

Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $179
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043

CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 $239
PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139007

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor $279
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202

ASUS Rampage II Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard $390
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131352&nm_mc=KNC-YahooSSP&cm_mmc=KNC-YahooSSP-_-Motherboards+-+Intel-_-ASUS-_-13131352

Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme 1366 RT CPU Cooler $70
http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/thermalright-ultra-120-extreme-1366-rt.html

ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound $7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186020

XFX GX285NZDBF GeForce GTX 285 Black Edition 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card $400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150342

CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory $156
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488

LG Black 6X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 6X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA $200
Internal Blu-ray Burner 6X Blu-ray Disc Burner & HD DVD-ROM Drive Model GGW-H20LK
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136155


$2,240
Not including rebates or shipping or insurance or tax or anything like that...

 

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Its a very good build, but once again I think you are paying wayyy too much. I'd do this:
Case/PSU( this is an excellent PSU and fine if you want to go SLI GTX 285's)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.177160

Mobo:You really don't need more than this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131365&Tpk=P6T%20v2

GPU: This is a better deal, faster and cheaper
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143172

Faster ram, better price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226030
 

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I more than likely will run another card in a year or so. Might as well get the PSU that'll do the trick, even if it may not need all the power it can put out for a while. I'll be glad I did it in a year or so when all I have to do is order another card, unhook all the wires, open the case up, put card in, reassemble and be good to go. :)

Good lookin' out on the GPU and the RAM. I knew ya'll were good for somethin'. :p

So, with those two things changed, what else?

Lookin' at $2,210 now.

Thanks!
 

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Wow, I wish I could read good. :ange:

I thought, for some reason, that the PSU was NOT good for Crossfire/SLI. Sheesh!

Ok, with those three things changed...GPU, PSU, RAM, anything else?

Down to $2,071 now. :D