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April 1, 2009 1:13:47 AM

First time build. My dad and I will be taking this little project on.

I got a list of parts picked out and was wondering if I could get some of ya'll's input on if they are any good, will be compatible with each other, and if I am missing anything. (I'm probably missing something obvious.)

Here goes...

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $149
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or… (Can't decide! Both look good and have good reviews...)

Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $179
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 $239
PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor $279
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock X58 Supercomputer LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard $294
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER V10 Hybrid TEC RR-B2P-UV10-GP 120mm CPU Cooler $139
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

BFG Tech BFGEGTX2951792E GeForce GTX 295 1792MB 896 (448 x 2)-bit $525
GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR XMS3 12GB (6 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory $204
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG Black 6X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 6X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA $200
Internal Blu-ray Burner 6X Blu-ray Disc Burner & HD DVD-ROM Drive Model GGW-H20LK
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound $7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My current computer, and next, surely, is/will be used for the following:
(in order of what I use most often to least often)

Playing Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare

Playing Call of Duty 5: World at War

Checking e-mail

Surfing the www. Oftentimes five or six tabs of webpages open at one time

iTunes (160 GB iPod, 16 GB iPhone...and only 40 GB of music and small handful of movies. lol)

Microsoft Office 2007

Quicken 2004

Playing FreeCell

A movie now and then (Pretty rare. Got a 47" T.V. with a couch in front of it in other room. Why use PC with 20" monitor and office chair?)

Picture viewing (not editing, just browsing, reminiscing, wondering where the time has gone)

Maybe, if I get bored, Dreamweaver MX 2004. Web page design program. What ya' see is what ya' get.

So, would these parts make a decent machine for what I typically do?

Thanks!

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April 1, 2009 1:32:18 AM

You definatley dont need 12gb ram as only intense design programs use this so just get one kit. that will save some money so you can get a P6T deluxe V2 mobo instead of that asrock heap. dont get 2 1TB get 1 and then a faster velociraptor or even a smaller 7200rpm HDD for apps and OS havent heard good things about the v10 so maybe gat a Thermalright TRUE

Hope this helps
April 1, 2009 1:46:23 AM

It's a lot overkill for a 20" monitor. :) 

ASUS P6T deluxe V2:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX GTX 285 - add a second later if you get the urge. This is already too much for the monitor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Get this combo deal with this PSU. It's all you need.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

This RAM will work just fine for you:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



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April 1, 2009 1:53:15 AM

The V10 is probably the best cooler out, but for that price you might as well get WC. I'd go for this:
http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/thermalright-ultra-120-e...

+1 for Proxi

Although to be honest, You are spending wayyyy more than you need to for your needs...A PII 940 or E8500 build would do just fine.
April 1, 2009 5:32:39 AM

Since I am on a Dell Dimension 8400, Pentium 4, single channel mother board, 2GB RAM, Windows XP, Radeon X300 GPU anything made within the last two or three years or less will be a step up. lol

Basically, I want to not have to upgrade for a while. Get the best of the best, or close to it, and I will surely be satisfied for several years. This is gonna' be a decent chunk o' change!

Good advice on the motherboard change. I overlooked that one the first time around.

Wouldn't saying, "I have 12GB RAM" be really cool, though? :sol:  lol

I read a couple articles about Cas latency. They might as well been written in a forgotten language. The lower the Cas latency number, the faster?

i.e. That 12GB memory I had listed is Cas 9 and that 6GB memory listed by Proximon is 7. Does that mean the 6GB will read faster than the 12GB? That is kinda’ what I thought I read in the ‘What is Cas latency?’ articles.

I am tempted to get a larger monitor in the near future. Would compliment my new machine. They really are not incredibly expensive. Well, cheaper than I thought they would be, anyhow. The bigger the monitor, the more graphics card one will need to power it? With HDMI, it’d be a neat experiment to hook new PC up to the T.V. for some COD. :) 

I looked into water cooling first off, but it seems to need a little more maintenance and work than I am looking to give. Besides, this'll be my first build. I build engines and work on cars. I literally just started getting interested in the "mechanics" of computers. However, been using 'em since I was real little. TRS-80, baby!

So is the Antec Twelve Hundred the recommended case? Adequate cooling, space, and style for my needs?

So a VelociRaptor would be considerably better for having the OS and COD loaded onto rather than the 1TB drive? That extra RPM of the VelociRaptor really spins the price up. One of the reviews I read stated, “After adding this to my rig I noticed that map loading times in Battlefield 2, Call of Duty: World At War, etc. were greatly reduced. I went from loading in almost last into servers to loading in before anyone else. Program load times, and Windows startup have also noticeably decreased in time.”, that’s almost sold me right there. :D  I HATE getting into games half a minute after everyone else does! What size should I get? 74, 150, or 300GB? Each are 10K RPM, however, price are considerably different for each. Should I get the 74 and just load Vista, games, and few other applications onto it?

74 GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
150 GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
300 GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keep in mind I am still getting the one 1TB hard drive mentioned in my initial post.

Also, my dad asked me about a sound card...

I have two Boston Acoustic speakers, matching Boston subwoofer, and a line out of the subwoofer box to my Philips Magnavox home stereo. Home stereo has two big speakers and two little surround sound speakers. I wonder if there is a card that'll let me do a 'true' surround sound with everything I got? That'd sound awesome!

Thanks so much, ya'll!


April 1, 2009 6:12:34 AM

If you want that super load speed, then get two WD6401AALS drives and run them in raid 0. It will be faster than the Vraps and cheaper, and you get 5x the storage capacity. Just backup your crucial data on your 1TB every so often. WD drives rarely fail, they are extremely reliable so you should be safe with two in raid 0. Don't get Vraps, they are too expensive IMO. They are worth about half what you pay for them. Read write speeds of the 1TB/640gb models mentioned here is like 100mb/s vs 120mb/s with the Vraps, the difference isn't that huge. The person in the reveiw you read must have gone from a 5400rpm/4mb buffer drive to get that kind of load speed increase.
April 1, 2009 6:20:48 AM

itsanss said:
Since I am on a Dell Dimension 8400, Pentium 4, single channel mother board, 2GB RAM, Windows XP, Radeon X300 GPU anything made within the last two or three years or less will be a step up. lol

Basically, I want to not have to upgrade for a while. Get the best of the best, or close to it, and I will surely be satisfied for several years. This is gonna' be a decent chunk o' change!

Good advice on the motherboard change. I overlooked that one the first time around.

Wouldn't saying, "I have 12GB RAM" be really cool, though? :sol:  lol

I read a couple articles about Cas latency. They might as well been written in a forgotten language. The lower the Cas latency number, the faster?

i.e. That 12GB memory I had listed is Cas 9 and that 6GB memory listed by Proximon is 7. Does that mean the 6GB will read faster than the 12GB? That is kinda’ what I thought I read in the ‘What is Cas latency?’ articles.

I am tempted to get a larger monitor in the near future. Would compliment my new machine. They really are not incredibly expensive. Well, cheaper than I thought they would be, anyhow. The bigger the monitor, the more graphics card one will need to power it? With HDMI, it’d be a neat experiment to hook new PC up to the T.V. for some COD. :) 

I looked into water cooling first off, but it seems to need a little more maintenance and work than I am looking to give. Besides, this'll be my first build. I build engines and work on cars. I literally just started getting interested in the "mechanics" of computers. However, been using 'em since I was real little. TRS-80, baby!

So is the Antec Twelve Hundred the recommended case? Adequate cooling, space, and style for my needs?

So a VelociRaptor would be considerably better for having the OS and COD loaded onto rather than the 1TB drive? That extra RPM of the VelociRaptor really spins the price up. One of the reviews I read stated, “After adding this to my rig I noticed that map loading times in Battlefield 2, Call of Duty: World At War, etc. were greatly reduced. I went from loading in almost last into servers to loading in before anyone else. Program load times, and Windows startup have also noticeably decreased in time.”, that’s almost sold me right there. :D  I HATE getting into games half a minute after everyone else does! What size should I get? 74, 150, or 300GB? Each are 10K RPM, however, price are considerably different for each. Should I get the 74 and just load Vista, games, and few other applications onto it?

74 GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
150 GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
300 GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keep in mind I am still getting the one 1TB hard drive mentioned in my initial post.

Also, my dad asked me about a sound card...

I have two Boston Acoustic speakers, matching Boston subwoofer, and a line out of the subwoofer box to my Philips Magnavox home stereo. Home stereo has two big speakers and two little surround sound speakers. I wonder if there is a card that'll let me do a 'true' surround sound with everything I got? That'd sound awesome!

Thanks so much, ya'll!


About the RAM, yes it is correct better timings on RAM means better performance...and the extra 6GB will not affect much...

As you will be getting a larger monitor later, I would suggest you get a GTX285 for now...It is the most powerful single chip solution(Note: You would know the 295 has 2 260 chips inside) So the 285 will be more efficient than the 295(Though not more powerful than the 295 but is suffice even for a 24" monitor with 1920X1200 resolution) and will run cooler than the 295...
When you get a bigger monitor, buy another 285 for SLI, which will be more powerful than the 295...

Well if you want to get water cooling, you can get factory sealed water cooling kits, which dont require maintenance...

Yes the Antec 1200 will be a good choice...

Well about the comment that you have posted

“After adding this to my rig I noticed that map loading times in Battlefield 2, Call of Duty: World At War, etc. were greatly reduced. I went from loading in almost last into servers to loading in before anyone else. Program load times, and Windows startup have also noticeably decreased in time.”

DId that person specify which HDD he was using previously ???
Mostly he would have been using previous gen HDD, which am sure would be considerably slower than the Velociraptor. But its not the case with the newer HDD...the WD Black is very fast and that difference in loading time is greatly reduced...
But if still you are not convinced, then get the 300GB velociraptor...

As for the sound card, you can get this mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Dont get confused :p 
This mobo has SupremeFX X-Fi HD audio and has more features than other boards...So instead of spending on an additonal sound card, get this mobo...
April 1, 2009 1:30:27 PM

gkay09 said:

DId that person specify which HDD he was using previously ???
Mostly he would have been using previous gen HDD, which am sure would be considerably slower than the Velociraptor. But its not the case with the newer HDD...the WD Black is very fast and that difference in loading time is greatly reduced...
But if still you are not convinced, then get the 300GB velociraptor...

As for the sound card, you can get this mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Dont get confused :p 
This mobo has SupremeFX X-Fi HD audio and has more features than other boards...So instead of spending on an additonal sound card, get this mobo...


GeForce 285 it is!

So, about the HDD, you're saying two of these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

would be just fine?

That is one thing I do not get...

the 1TB has 32MB cache - the VelociRaptor has 16MB

the 1TB has 3.0GB/second interface - VelociRaptor also has 3.0GB/second

Does the extra RPM of VelociRaptor really make it that much faster than the 1TB?

Oh, not to mention the 1TB has a WAY, WAY better dollar/GB deal. lol

As for the sound card, the SupremeFX X-Fi audio has some good reviews. However, the board I chose, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168..., has 8 audio channels. Doesn't that mean it'll put a different sound to 8 different speakers for true surround sound? Or is the SupremeFX X-Fi really that much better along with the other features the board you recommend has?

Also, is there anything else on my original list that I am missing essential to computer operation or that would be way cool to get? :D 

Thanks! Good stuff!
April 1, 2009 1:48:03 PM

itsanss said:
GeForce 285 it is!

So, about the HDD, you're saying two of these

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

would be just fine?

That is one thing I do not get...

the 1TB has 32MB cache - the VelociRaptor has 16MB

the 1TB has 3.0GB/second interface - VelociRaptor also has 3.0GB/second

Does the extra RPM of VelociRaptor really make it that much faster than the 1TB?

Oh, not to mention the 1TB has a WAY, WAY better dollar/GB deal. lol

As for the sound card, the SupremeFX X-Fi audio has some good reviews. However, the board I chose, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168..., has 8 audio channels. Doesn't that mean it'll put a different sound to 8 different speakers for true surround sound? Or is the SupremeFX X-Fi really that much better along with the other features the board you recommend has?

Also, is there anything else on my original list that I am missing essential to computer operation or that would be way cool to get? :D 

Thanks! Good stuff!


Yes am talking about the Black ones...

And as for the sound cards, difference is the sound processing and the SNR ratio difference...The Supreme FX has better sound processing and better SNR...So going with that mobo, you can save money on the sound card...And that mobo has advanced features also...
April 2, 2009 1:43:28 PM

xthekidx said:
If you want that super load speed, then get two WD6401AALS drives and run them in raid 0. It will be faster than the Vraps and cheaper, and you get 5x the storage capacity. Just backup your crucial data on your 1TB every so often. WD drives rarely fail, they are extremely reliable so you should be safe with two in raid 0. Don't get Vraps, they are too expensive IMO. They are worth about half what you pay for them. Read write speeds of the 1TB/640gb models mentioned here is like 100mb/s vs 120mb/s with the Vraps, the difference isn't that huge. The person in the reveiw you read must have gone from a 5400rpm/4mb buffer drive to get that kind of load speed increase.


Somehow or another, I completely overlooked this post. lol Sorry! I could not agree with you more. I am gonna' go ahead and get the two 1TB like I originally planned. I believe it is completely true that I may be able to get a little faster with another hard drive, but I can get WAY more storage for a cheaper price for juuust slightly slower. Plus, with everything else I am getting, I think I'll feel fast compared to my 8400 Dimension. :) 

Ok, so about the CPU cooler... Which will cool better?


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $140
(says for many different CPUs)

or

http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/thermalright-ultra-120-e... $70
(will specifically cool the Intel i7 965 Extreme)

Thanks


April 2, 2009 2:11:16 PM

Well +1 for the thermalright...
April 2, 2009 4:54:13 PM

I think the V10 does a little bit better cooling, but it depends on how high you OC. I think I saw a review where at a high OC, the V10 actually wasn't quite as good as the TRUE with 2 fans. I would go with the TRUE, much better value there.
April 2, 2009 11:52:48 PM

xthekidx said:
I think the V10 does a little bit better cooling, but it depends on how high you OC. I think I saw a review where at a high OC, the V10 actually wasn't quite as good as the TRUE with 2 fans. I would go with the TRUE, much better value there.


Let me ask you this...

I see you have an Intel 920 listed in your signature with a 3.6Ghz overclock. What cooler are you personally running?

shortstuff_mt, thanks for the link to the cooler reviews. Just wish they showed comparisons between different types rather than a review of each by itself. Still, good information there.

Thanks!
April 3, 2009 12:02:48 AM

I use the CoolerMaster V8. My temps are 35C idle and not over 70C 100% Load Prime95. The V8 is a great cooler, but the TRUE is definitely better. I got a good deal on the V8 which is why I went with it instead.
April 3, 2009 12:21:48 AM

I can tell you this...IF I could do my build over, I would have gotten one GTX 285 and another a little later (not that I need it) but that combo is just flat awesome from what I have read. I got the GTX 295 and love it but I know now that 2 gtx 285 would be better than 2 gtx 295 as quad sli isn't as good as you would think. And who REALLY needs quad sli....unless your running some 36 inch monster monitor at ungodly resolutions!! Smart choice with the 285's advice well heeded, these gents know what they are talking about.
April 4, 2009 3:40:17 AM

Well, although not used on the same rig, the Thermalright has lower temperatures on what probably puts off similar heat to the rig used for testing the CoolerMaster. Ya'll think?

Thermalright Ultra-120
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=286&type=expert&pi...

CoolerMaster V10
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/cooler...

Why doesn't NewEgg have the Thermalright? Also, does the Thermalright not come with the 120mm fan? Am I readin' that right?

Thanks!
April 4, 2009 12:55:49 PM

xthekidx said:
you can buy the TRUE with or without a fan

http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/thermalright-ultra-120-e...


I wonder why it is separate.

I also wonder how the TRUE (just realized where ya'll got the abbreviation :na:  ) exchanges heat so much better than the V10 that has more surface area, more heat pipes, and two 120mm fans rather than one. Well, I reckon the graphs don't lie. They did somethin' right!

Will this work for a fan? It says it is a case fan, but it has the right dimensions for the TRUE. It is dirt cheap and has plenty of good reviews. It'll match my LED on my existing 1TB external Western Digital hard drive and future Antec Twelve Hundred case. :p 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

April 4, 2009 7:37:57 PM

The link I gave you is the TRUE with a fan.
April 4, 2009 7:59:54 PM

xthekidx said:
The link I gave you is the TRUE with a fan.


Oh! Duh! I thought it only included the holder for the fan.

Coolness.

April 4, 2009 8:02:34 PM

So this is the new and improved list:

Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $179
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 $239
PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor $279
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS Rampage II Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard $390
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme 1366 RT CPU Cooler $70
http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/thermalright-ultra-120-e...

ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound $7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX GX285NZDBF GeForce GTX 285 Black Edition 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card $400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory $156
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG Black 6X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 6X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA $200
Internal Blu-ray Burner 6X Blu-ray Disc Burner & HD DVD-ROM Drive Model GGW-H20LK
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


$2,240
Not including rebates or shipping or insurance or tax or anything like that...

April 4, 2009 8:10:41 PM

Its a very good build, but once again I think you are paying wayyy too much. I'd do this:
Case/PSU( this is an excellent PSU and fine if you want to go SLI GTX 285's)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Mobo:You really don't need more than this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: This is a better deal, faster and cheaper
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Faster ram, better price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 4, 2009 10:11:02 PM

xthekidx said:
Its a very good build, but once again I think you are paying wayyy too much. I'd do this:
Case/PSU( this is an excellent PSU and fine if you want to go SLI GTX 285's)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Mobo:You really don't need more than this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: This is a better deal, faster and cheaper
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Faster ram, better price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I more than likely will run another card in a year or so. Might as well get the PSU that'll do the trick, even if it may not need all the power it can put out for a while. I'll be glad I did it in a year or so when all I have to do is order another card, unhook all the wires, open the case up, put card in, reassemble and be good to go. :) 

Good lookin' out on the GPU and the RAM. I knew ya'll were good for somethin'. :p 

So, with those two things changed, what else?

Lookin' at $2,210 now.

Thanks!
April 4, 2009 10:18:45 PM

Wow, I wish I could read good. :ange: 

I thought, for some reason, that the PSU was NOT good for Crossfire/SLI. Sheesh!

Ok, with those three things changed...GPU, PSU, RAM, anything else?

Down to $2,071 now. :D 
April 4, 2009 10:19:00 PM

Wow, I wish I could read good. :ange: 

I thought, for some reason, that the PSU was NOT good for Crossfire/SLI. Sheesh!

Ok, with those three things changed...GPU, PSU, RAM, anything else?

Down to $2,071 now. :D 
April 4, 2009 10:22:15 PM

The Antec CP-850 can run 2 GTX 285 SLI just fine, 1000w is overkill for 2 GTX 285's. The I see no reason to buy that motherboard either, the P6T Deluxe V2 is almost as good, and unless you are going for a 4.5ghz OC you dont' need the rampage. The Deluxe v2 is actually better IMO if you are going to run Dual GPU's because of the spacing of the PCIEx16 slots, its too close together on the rampage IMO. The P6T deluxe v2 has 2 spaces between the PCIEx16 slots instead of one, so you get more airflow to your GPU so that it can cool better. If you put two high powered cards right up against each other they are going to get very hot.
April 4, 2009 10:57:13 PM

xthekidx said:
The Antec CP-850 can run 2 GTX 285 SLI just fine, 1000w is overkill for 2 GTX 285's. The I see no reason to buy that motherboard either, the P6T Deluxe V2 is almost as good, and unless you are going for a 4.5ghz OC you dont' need the rampage. The Deluxe v2 is actually better IMO if you are going to run Dual GPU's because of the spacing of the PCIEx16 slots, its too close together on the rampage IMO. The P6T deluxe v2 has 2 spaces between the PCIEx16 slots instead of one, so you get more airflow to your GPU so that it can cool better. If you put two high powered cards right up against each other they are going to get very hot.



Well, that motherboard has a good sound card already in it...That make a difference in your opinion of it?

Thanks again
April 4, 2009 11:02:54 PM

The sound card is good, but honestly I think you would have trouble distinguishing it from the sound card on the Deluxe V2 unless you had a fancy 7.1 surround sound speaker system. If you really think you need a better sound card you can still buy one and add it later.
April 5, 2009 2:51:54 AM

xthekidx said:
The sound card is good, but honestly I think you would have trouble distinguishing it from the sound card on the Deluxe V2 unless you had a fancy 7.1 surround sound speaker system. If you really think you need a better sound card you can still buy one and add it later.


Being the newbie that I am, 7.1 means 7 speakers, right? I have six regular speakers and a subwoofer all hooked to my computer now. However, they all play the same sounds. It is not "true" surround sound. Would that other board make it that? Or do I need to have something besides that to make it work?

My friend, on his TV, has six speakers and a subwoofer, but he has a receiver, which has a different port for each speaker, giving each one a particular sound in relation to location of where the sound is coming. i.e. Someone shooting (in a movie) to the front left of you, front left most speaker plays the gunshot sound most loudly. Grenade goes off behind you (in a game), rear speaker plays the sound most loudly, etc.

I have two Boston Aucustic speakers and subwoofer connected to the back of my computer. On the subwoofer encolsure, there is a "Left/Right Out to Speaker" jack. I have wires from those jacks going to the "Auxillary" ports on my home stereo, which has four speakers, two large, and two small. That's the way I have my computer speakers currently wired up. Nice having "sound" all around me, but far from 'the real deal', if ya' know what I mean. Not lookin' to spend an arm and a leg for true surround, but if that other mother board'll make it work, I'll get it, or if not, the board you recommend with possibly a card that offers surround sound somehow.

Hopefully all this is making sense. lol

Thanks
April 5, 2009 6:57:05 AM

My P6T has surround sound built in. I think the P6T Deluxe V2 has an even better audio chipset. I think it is worth saving $100 to go with the Deluxe vs the Rampage, I don't think you need it. The Audio on the P6T Deluxe V2 will probably be enough for you.
April 5, 2009 7:25:22 PM

Alright, the P6T sounds more realistic now. I read a couple in-depth reviews for uses for the Rampage II and it's basically a lot more than I need. lol

I just stumbled upon this.

http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Revolution-Surround-Sound...

That would make a true 6 speaker, 1 sub. surround sound, huh? :)  It'll go into the P6T, won't it?

Thanks
April 5, 2009 8:33:37 PM

Yes it will, but the P6T Deluxe already has 7.1 surround sound support. Try it out first before you go buy a sound card.
April 5, 2009 9:09:10 PM

What does 7.1 surround sound support mean?

I was looking at the pictures of the P6T Deluxe and did not see 7 different ports for speakers. Or does it go about 7.1 some other way?
April 5, 2009 9:37:58 PM

Yep. More than one channel can go through a port though.
April 5, 2009 10:11:07 PM

xthekidx said:
Yep. More than one channel can go through a port though.


Ok, so there are six ports...

What would be the recommended way of wiring that up?

Also, the male end (there's a name for it...) that goes into the motherboard...Is there any possible way to take speaker wire, wire that has two seprate parts, and solder a single male end onto it to go into that port?

Or will these home stereo speakers not work at all? I may be getting ahead of myself. lol

April 5, 2009 10:33:22 PM

Ok, if front speakers go into one port, middle speakers into a port, and rear into a port, subwoofer into a port, that leaves two open ports. Perhaps auxillary and microphone?

My dad believes it to be possible to:

take a speaker wire, separate the two wires

take a male end with a few inches of wire in length, separate those two wires

then solder the four ends together.

Seems reasonable to me...?
April 5, 2009 10:47:08 PM

I have no idea about soldering speaker wires and such...I just get speakers that are already setup to work right lol. Seems like it could be done though.
April 6, 2009 12:36:36 AM

Ah ha! So you don't know everything. lol

I may be dreaming to get my existing home stereo speakers to work. However, it'll be worth a try! I may even have a spare end off somethin' that I could try to use. I'll look into it.

So, how do you (thekid) know so much? And why do you have so much time to be able to surf the forums? lol I SINCERELY appreciate your help along with everyone else's, but especially your help.


Here is the list, once again revised (perhaps for the final time...?) :

Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $280
plus (combination deal)
Antec CP-850 850W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
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Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor $279
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ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard $290
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Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme 1366 RT CPU Cooler $70
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ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound $7
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BFG Tech BFGEGTX2851024OCXE GeForce GTX 285 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card $385
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mushkin 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory $140
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Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $110
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Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $110
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Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders $100
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LG Black 6X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 6X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA $200
Internal Blu-ray Burner 6X Blu-ray Disc Burner & HD DVD-ROM Drive Model GGW-H20LK
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LITE-ON SK-1688U/B Black 104 Normal Keys USB Wired Standard Keyboard (Currently have PS/2 mouse and keyboard. New motherboard only has one PS/2 slot. Was going to simply get an adapter. But, all the PS/2 - USB adapters seem to have bad reviews. Even reviews with five eggs have a complaint. This keyboard seems to be the solution.) $7
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Western Digital My Book Essential WDH1U10000N 1TB USB 2.0 External Hard Drive (This will make my second 1TB external. I will be able to match my internal and external drive size, so my back-ups will match, no worries.) $115
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$2,093 (not including, rebates, shipping, taxes, etc.)



April 6, 2009 12:45:45 AM

Its a hobby. It takes a while to build a knowledge base like I have, a lot of time reading articles and searching the web for deals.

Your build looks great. You really don't need that GPU, but if you think you will get a bigger monitor later on then keep it, especially since it doesn't seem like you are pinching pennies. Your games will be very smooth. If you wanted to save like $60 then you could get the GTX 275 which would be fine as well.
April 6, 2009 12:51:23 AM

You can't plug speakers directly into a sound card or MB :)  The signal has to be amplified before it reaches the speakers... unless they are very tiny.

So, you would need an amp with 7.1 input.
April 6, 2009 2:30:20 AM

Proximon said:
You can't plug speakers directly into a sound card or MB :)  The signal has to be amplified before it reaches the speakers... unless they are very tiny.

So, you would need an amp with 7.1 input.



You're kiddin'? That is how I have mine wired up now...

Course, it is just a single wire going in.

Board, single wire to subwoofer, to speakers, to home stereo...?
April 6, 2009 4:42:52 AM

They don't even list the wattage of the channels, but it's likely about 2W. Enough to drive a set of headphones or very small speakers, but that's it.

You say you are running a wire to your subwoofer... sure, and your subwoofer is plugged into the wall, right? There's an amp in there boosting the signal.

Before I got nice PC speakers, I used to run the signal through a bookshelf speaker system that had an aux. in. I then had that connected to a couple expensive bookshelf speakers... they were nice I thought, until I felt what a good subwoofer could do to COD.

No, the minute you hook up a set of even 10W speakers directly to your sound card or MB, you'll discover you can't get any volume... unless of course they are powered speakers.

You were wondering about the other port... usually there is an aux in and a mic in.
April 6, 2009 1:38:20 PM

Proximon said:
They don't even list the wattage of the channels, but it's likely about 2W. Enough to drive a set of headphones or very small speakers, but that's it.

You say you are running a wire to your subwoofer... sure, and your subwoofer is plugged into the wall, right? There's an amp in there boosting the signal.

Before I got nice PC speakers, I used to run the signal through a bookshelf speaker system that had an aux. in. I then had that connected to a couple expensive bookshelf speakers... they were nice I thought, until I felt what a good subwoofer could do to COD.

No, the minute you hook up a set of even 10W speakers directly to your sound card or MB, you'll discover you can't get any volume... unless of course they are powered speakers.

You were wondering about the other port... usually there is an aux in and a mic in.


Ooohhhhh. Exactly. My speakers are hooked into the subwoofer, which is hooked into the wall, and wires from auxillary out on subwoofer to my auxillaray in on home stereo, also hooked to wall, which is where my other four speakers are hooked. :??:  Dang it!

Hmm. Well, I just need an amplifier. It's just money. :ange: 

Thanks!!

Any recommendations for a good, relatively cheap, amp.?
April 6, 2009 9:01:05 PM

All I can tell you is to search for an amp with 7.1 inputs. They look kinda expensive on newegg.
September 5, 2009 4:09:04 AM

Well, me again.

I'm currently taking Computer Hardware Level 1 course at the local technology center and am enrolled for Computer Hardware Level 2 starting a week after this course is over (in a few weeks).

Level 1 is not quite as liberal as 2 will be. I spoke with my instructor (also instructor for 2) about my plans for building a computer and he said that if I were to buy and bring in all the parts to build a computer, then I could build it in class with his guidance. Music to my ears. He's been doing the computer hardware thing for 15 years or so. Very sharp guy. I said before that my dad and I would be taking on this endeavor, but we were busy and I was hesitant on spending the coin. lol

A few months later and I'm still a little nervous spending the coin, but am ready to take the plunge to a new and much better computer.

With all the research I've done I know that ordering computer parts ain't perfect. Things arrive damaged, missing, wrong, etc. etc. So I've decided that it would be wise to start getting things together a few weeks ahead of time to make sure I have everything I'll need as it is only a six week long class. Also, because if I have all the parts to fire the computer up except for one little thing I forgot to order...I'll be pissed!!! No patience when it comes to a new toy. lol

Questions:

Is my latest revised list (eight posts up) still a good list? Any major breakthroughs I should be aware of?

Also, my dad is wondering about cables coming with everything I'm ordering. Some stuff, we know, will have fixed cables to the component, but what about some of the stuff that the cable is detachable from device and from motherboard? Does it include stuff like that?

Thanks!
September 6, 2009 5:02:04 AM

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