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Should I buy i7 920 new for $199 right now?

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July 7, 2009 5:51:25 PM

It's on sale for $199 at my local Micro Center. Should I get it for my build that I'm making in around 4 months?

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July 7, 2009 5:58:05 PM

well, that all depends... in 4 months chances are i5s would be out and they are a definite cheaper solution if you you take into consideration of the mobo and all that

while on the other hand, if you want the best of the best and is worried about them discontinue the 920 on the lga 1366 then maybe...

also, if they are C0 over stock i think they may not be a good buy if you plan to over clock, since the D0 owns them hands down with overclocking.
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July 7, 2009 7:08:21 PM

the i7 920 is a classic chip. maybe Intel will have something comparable in the i5 line.

makes me wonder if they're discontinuing the 920 because it's cannibalizing 940/950 & 965 sales. since it OC's so well.
July 7, 2009 7:26:27 PM

I LOVE my 920, seriosuly the best CPU I've ever owned. Just feels solid and fast. Also my first 64 bit experience. Can't wait to run Win7 on my system this fall, should be even faster (no, I don't run beta software on my production workstation).
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July 7, 2009 7:37:34 PM

d_mon1 said:
How can I tell if this i7 is C0 or D0?



have to call them up (or go there and look at it ur self if you can) and see which stepping is printed on the side:


SLBEJ = D0 (good overclocker 3.8-4.0 w TRUE 3.6-3.8 with stock)
SLBCH = C0 (okay ocer 3.6-3.8 w TRUE 3.4-3.6 with stock)

but bear in mind that you may get a dud D0 or C0 and not get any good overclock at all




and yes, intel wants ppl to spend 500++ for their top of the line procs, and these 200-300 dollar chips that can oc to the sky is hurting them in the pockets when they try to milk it


also, know that the platform cost of i7 is quite high, and that a cheap proc may not mean a cheap system, there are some cheaper mobos out there now, but the platform cost of a LGA 1366 system is still higher even if i7 can dominate PhII X4s.
July 7, 2009 7:40:31 PM

Ah, never mind, I think I'm going to wait for the i5. Hopefully it won't be too pricey when it's released.

And I hope that by then the new graphic cards will be out so the current ones drop in price. After all, I'm just

planning on playing Modern Warfare 2 when it comes out and the i5 should be enough to handle this game.

What do you guys say? Good idea to wait or not?
July 7, 2009 7:54:41 PM

I will give you the best advice possible about these kind of situation.

The simple answer is no.

If you are going to wait 4 months, the price will surely drop even below this. That's the computer business reality, today prices are likely to be higher than the ones in the near future.

Just look at what happens with the 4850 price... they have been cut by 50% in the last month.

No, if you plan to build your system in 4 months, buy your stuff in 4 months. Also, never wait for new techs to be released while building your rig, buy what is available when you buy. I am speaking from personal experiences.
July 7, 2009 8:07:53 PM

Thanks for the advice guys.

I guess I'll keep saving money until the four months are up and buy everything at once. I just thought I could jump in and buy it while it's 200 dollars and before it's discontinued.

But like I said, I can build an i5 PC since gaming will be the main purpose for this build.
July 7, 2009 9:20:10 PM

i bought 5 x 920 in micro center and they're all C0 stepping. i looked for EJ but no luck in micro center. but @ $200, i'm not complaining...
July 7, 2009 9:21:47 PM

Wow five of them? Stocking up?
July 7, 2009 9:53:47 PM

Intel says they are discontinuing the i7-920. When production stops, existing stock IMO, will increase in price.
I say if you want the 1366 platform and you have the $200.00 get it now.
The 1366 platform is not going to fade away in the near future. Intel has earmarked it for the higher end chips and for future chips to come, like 6core and 8core, maybe.
i5 chips will also be dual-channel for the RAM vs tri-channel for the i7's.

So whats all this mean...? I'll leave that up to someone with a higher "Badge" than I have.
I'm just a Wannabe!
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July 7, 2009 10:01:30 PM

i think the market is in a bag of hurt, and prices have dropped accordingly. when you go from a strong market, to a hurt market, you end up with a large surplus of whatever you were selling. which, DOES need to be unloaded quickly (at discount) because this creates a supply and demand that, well, isnt going to be making to premium dollar. when youve sold your surplus (and slowed your manufacturing) supply dwindles away and demand raises again.

i dont think you will ever see a quality quadcore+ for 200 dollars again, in your whole life.

granted, 6 cores is around the corner, but considering i can barely find any software to take advantage of more than 2 cores, im really not too concerned with having more than 4.
July 7, 2009 10:44:06 PM

IF you were building today, then $199 is a steal. Compare this with the Egg's price...
Microcenter has been selling the 920 for $229 for a long time now, hoping customers will also buy the rest of the parts from them at less of a deal. Timing is important. Four months from now the cpu and system world will be different. I say get what you want all at once. Now or later. Warranties, RMA's and returns are a hassle if you wait and build up parts waiting to put them together. If you're serious about a system 4 months from now, then wait until then to buy the parts.
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July 7, 2009 10:49:45 PM

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and yes, intel wants ppl to spend 500++ for their top of the line procs, and these 200-300 dollar chips that can oc to the sky is hurting them in the pockets when they try to milk it


It's not hurting them, cause all those people who bought i7's got suckered into the X58, which is where Intel really made the money. I'm waiting for P55 and i5 w/ddr 1333 support. After the P55 is out for a couple months I expect the price to be around $140ish.


Actually you can get a full-featured X58 mobo for $170 from ASROCK. 6 DIMM slots & 3 PCIe x16 slots... Coupled with a $200 i920, seems pretty decent for the $$.
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July 7, 2009 10:57:32 PM

Newf said:
IF you were building today, then $199 is a steal. Compare this with the Egg's price...
Microcenter has been selling the 920 for $229 for a long time now, hoping customers will also buy the rest of the parts from them at less of a deal. Timing is important. Four months from now the cpu and system world will be different. I say get what you want all at once. Now or later. Warranties, RMA's and returns are a hassle if you wait and build up parts waiting to put them together. If you're serious about a system 4 months from now, then wait until then to buy the parts.


Yeah I agree, except that eventually Microcenter is gonna run out of those C0 steppings :) . The one closest to me, in northern Virginia, had 237 i920's in stock last weekend when I checked - down to 183 today. I figure when I come back from vacation the end of this month, they should have a new shipment in stock, and my chances of getting a D0 much better.

I just wonder if they'll continue the $199 'sales' price with the D0's.
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July 8, 2009 12:27:16 AM

It looks like Intel will release i7s on the LGA1156 platform, which is probably why they are stopping production of the 920. If you want a 920, get it now. You can wait for an i5 if you want, but considering the expected prices of LGA 1156 CPUs and the excellent overclockability of the 920, you should just get the 920.
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July 8, 2009 12:19:11 PM

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Shut it noob. You obviously know nothing. C0 will EASILY go over 4Ghz. Sick of you idiots saying a C0 won't overclock at all

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww252/2MCHBoost/42ghz-1.jpg



lol, looking at cpuz's little database, D0 constantly out ocs the C0, and if you got 4 Ghz good for you, there are ppl running on air with a 5 Ghz D0, and that is really an accomplishment.

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=100738237&mpage=1&k...


and to the ppl whom quote amd stuff in response to him, don't step down to their non sense and bs, and use actual intel cases to make him realize his 4 Ghz OC is great, but not indicative of C0 as a whole. Tbh, if I wanted to do that, I'd quote TWKR's OCing stats roflmao.

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Yeah and i7 was released like 6 months ago. lol. I'm talking about all the suckers that paid $250 and $300 for a mobo.

And the only way to get a i7 for $200 is if you live near a Microcenter and they are running a special. Newegg has P2 940's WITH a 790GX mobo for $189, now thats a good deal.


wish I would have waited just a slight bit... I went for my Evga and 920 because of the rumors of it being discontinued and I wanted to jump on true Dx 10 when it comes out with a CF or Sli (depends on who wins the next round) setup and it's not here yet... that and no time during school to build, oc , and test a pc lol.

EDIT:

am i seeing ghosts with ppl replying to PSD with amd ocs??
July 8, 2009 4:18:47 PM

So what you guys are trying to tell me is that either way I'm getting raped by intel, right? What about AMD?
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July 8, 2009 6:09:37 PM

it all depends on what you want from the setup, i mean if you want, pick up an Asrock M3A790GXH/128M, pick up a nice stepping of the PhII X2 550 BE (stepping 0922APMW or 0919EPMW are having some nice success with the 0922 having 100% from Extreme systems) and unlock them into quad cores and stick some dual channel DDR3 sets in. Gfx isn't even needed since the board has onboard roflmao.

that would cost FAR below an i7 setup, but it would also mean with the asrock say bye bye to CF (you can get mobo that unlock and have CF that is more expensive and feature rich) and with unlocking no SLI at all since you need an AMD chipset to unlock it.

Component cost (In CAD, not USD ppl):

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... (130 CAD)

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... (123 CAD) (but please e get it either at local or somewhere that allows you to actually get the stepping information, as stepping like 0920GPMW is not unlockable with any mobo while others are having 100% rate)

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682... (90 CAD) (4 gb DDR3 AMD specific OCZ kit, I honestly don't know their difference with other DDR3 DC or TC kits other than ofc they are tested...)

total = 343 CAD or for US ppl 300 USDish (Google translated, not gona go to newegg.com and find it all again...)

and that is FAR below the 300+350+150 I've paid for my cpu+mobo+ram for an i7 system
July 8, 2009 7:28:18 PM

this site is gonna be seriously f'd up when all the i7 1366 guys upgrade to gulftown.
July 8, 2009 7:38:31 PM

Helloworld_98 said:
this site is gonna be seriously f'd up when all the i7 1366 guys upgrade to gulftown.

Why's that? Can you elaborate?
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July 8, 2009 8:04:08 PM

I think he means that ppl will scream about their performance vs amd? or because the prices of those parts are HUGE and ppl will have issues with envy?

that or he is attempting to troll with flamewar about amd vs intel?

not sure lol
July 8, 2009 8:19:47 PM

trolling
July 8, 2009 8:35:34 PM

Microcenter still has them in stock for $200. But I guess i'm going to wait for the i5 hoping they're not too expensive. And I'll probably save $$$ on the motherboard too. It better not be as expensive as the x58, or imma be pissed.
July 8, 2009 10:59:23 PM

d_mon1 said:
Microcenter still has them in stock for $200. But I guess i'm going to wait for the i5 hoping they're not too expensive. And I'll probably save $$$ on the motherboard too. It better not be as expensive as the x58, or imma be pissed.


I'm not so sure that people waiting for the i5 will save money over a 200.00 i7 920 cpu based system. If the price point was going to be below the 920, there would be no reason to phase it out. I think the i5 will replace the 920 at it's current price point.

Extra channel of RAM will cost a few extra bucks - but I'm guessing the MOBO will be 150-180 - for a good board when they first come out. You might save some money if planning on using an onboard MOBO. But if planning a graphics card - the price savings might not exist and the i-920 will be a better CPU.

If the i5 will be competing with the Phenom II line - the 920 won't be available for 279 or 199 - but the i5 may slide in and take it's spot at that price point.

I'm just guestimating - but from what I have read so far - I don't see the price savings being much below a 920. Just that they are phasing the chip out - to put the i7 in a higher market price. Look at the C2Q right now. Those will be replaced with the i5 line.

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July 8, 2009 11:20:17 PM

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How am i a fanboi? I'm posting up documented proof :lol: 

A single overclock says nothing about the overall chip tendencies. On average, the C0 will hit 3.6GHz or so on air, at least from what I've seen. D0 goes significantly higher. Now, 3.6GHz is still a 1GHz overclock, so C0 definitely overclocks well. D0 just overclocks better.
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July 9, 2009 3:01:48 AM

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Intel always rapes you with its latest and greatest chipsets, remember the 975x, turned out to be crap anyways. The $80 P965 smoked it in overclocking.

Intel boards are overpriced when they use their "high-end" chipsets, not just because they are the latest. LGA1366 is not a mainstream part. You can't possibly expect a mainstream price.

@All: Drop the insults or you'll find yourselves on vacation.
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July 9, 2009 12:48:30 PM

JessieJ said:
I'm not so sure that people waiting for the i5 will save money over a 200.00 i7 920 cpu based system. If the price point was going to be below the 920, there would be no reason to phase it out. I think the i5 will replace the 920 at it's current price point.

Extra channel of RAM will cost a few extra bucks - but I'm guessing the MOBO will be 150-180 - for a good board when they first come out. You might save some money if planning on using an onboard MOBO. But if planning a graphics card - the price savings might not exist and the i-920 will be a better CPU.

If the i5 will be competing with the Phenom II line - the 920 won't be available for 279 or 199 - but the i5 may slide in and take it's spot at that price point.

I'm just guestimating - but from what I have read so far - I don't see the price savings being much below a 920. Just that they are phasing the chip out - to put the i7 in a higher market price. Look at the C2Q right now. Those will be replaced with the i5 line.



i think the main difference is that we won't be seeing LGA 1366 mobos that is under 100 dollars, even asrock (which is known for cheaper mobos) is selling it at around 170 USD...

whereas i think i5 mobos will have the higher end 200 dollar stuff, as well as the 80 dollar cheap stuff
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July 9, 2009 1:20:50 PM

well more info (to me anyways, don't laugh if you knew this beforehand....) just came in from toms preview

http://www.tomshardware.com/picturestory/512-9-asus-p5p...

states that the PCIE lanes are integrated on cpu (I knew this) but it is only one x16 lane and for CF or SLI it would be split into x8/x8, rather than x16/x8 or the x58's x16/x16...

**pure speculation**
they mentioned that i7 would be for more multi gpu setups, but they didn't mention that they were going to hardware limit that rather than an more marketing/firmware limitation. And with this mobo being from Asus and seems to be for the higher end of i5s, and they can't/didn't add some sort of second x16 lane or a 16/16/8 by either another chip (since it only has one "northbridge" and not the two chip north and south of the x58/i7 setups) or some other hackory, then maybe intel is making them not make these available?

EDIT: saw that these were meant for mid range, nvm on this little bit of FUD unless their ROG gear for i5, if any, won't have 16/16/8
/**pure speculation**


for a lower end or midrange (for now, will likely change as gpus gets better) CF/SLI setup, and higher end stuff (quad SLI or CF or tri SLI) will be out the door at this point for these things without some sort of tacked on PCIE special controller chip. ASUS has added the third "x16" lane with just x4 speeds via the "northbridge's" DMI lane to the CPU, so no go there as well

this kinda puts the value sorta lower (*correct me if i'm wrong*) since most games are still gfx dependent, and not CPU bound, thus for value minded high end people, intel's offering would mean no beastly gfx with cheaper mobo+cpu cmbo
July 9, 2009 4:51:33 PM

Wow, I'm more confused then when I started.... lol. But you're saying that most games are gfx dependent and not CPU bound. Is MW2 going to be one of them? If it is, then I'm definitely going to wait for the i5, since I'm not going to need a powerful processor since the main purpose of this build is gaming. Right?
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July 9, 2009 7:32:15 PM

err MW2 is not released, I can tell you that it takes a full blown super computer to run it, or chances are if you can play MW then it works for MW2 (maybe with lowered settings?)

to that end.... i5 or i7 would do, choose your gfx wisely, and depends on your res, you may or may not need the I7

if you have some crazy res like 2560*2048 then you NEED some heavy SLI action, thus the wimpy integrated PCIE controller on the i5 is NOT going to cut it (unless some high end i5 mobos have some sort of additional hardware that allows for some 16/8/8/8 or 16/16/8 setup), if you are on 1280*1024 or 1600*1200, then you'd be running a single card config, and the integrated PCIE will work just as well as the i7/x58 stuff and thus overkill if you got i7.

if you are planning to drop into a quad sli or quad CF or high end CF/SLI setup (285GTX x2 comes to mind) with huge display, go with i7, if not, i5 is more than enough at this stage with its integrated PCIE controllers (as long as they are not buggy or have issues, or hell they put in some limitation on how much you can OC the CPU because of additional space used for PCIE controller or something, which I and most likely anyone on this board cannon make any guarantees or rumors, and chances are, only intel engineers would know)

July 9, 2009 7:47:31 PM

theholylancer said:
err MW2 is not released, I can tell you that it takes a full blown super computer to run it, or chances are if you can play MW then it works for MW2 (maybe with lowered settings?)

to that end.... i5 or i7 would do, choose your gfx wisely, and depends on your res, you may or may not need the I7

if you have some crazy res like 2560*2048 then you NEED some heavy SLI action, thus the wimpy integrated PCIE controller on the i5 is NOT going to cut it (unless some high end i5 mobos have some sort of additional hardware that allows for some 16/8/8/8 or 16/16/8 setup), if you are on 1280*1024 or 1600*1200, then you'd be running a single card config, and the integrated PCIE will work just as well as the i7/x58 stuff and thus overkill if you got i7.

if you are planning to drop into a quad sli or quad CF or high end CF/SLI setup (285GTX x2 comes to mind) with huge display, go with i7, if not, i5 is more than enough at this stage with its integrated PCIE controllers (as long as they are not buggy or have issues, or hell they put in some limitation on how much you can OC the CPU because of additional space used for PCIE controller or something, which I and most likely anyone on this board cannon make any guarantees or rumors, and chances are, only intel engineers would know)

Well I don't have the monitor as of yet. But I might just get it at the same time I build the pc in around 4 months, but I'm not going all out with a 2560 x 2048 resolution, a 1920 x 1080 or MAYBE a 1920 x 1200 is good enough for me. Will i5 with an ATI 4870 be enough to handle MW2 or do you guys think I'll need a 4890?
July 11, 2009 8:20:20 PM

I'm kind of in the same boat as the OP... wait for the LGA1156 2.8Ghz "i7" or get the current i7 920.

My biggest concern (holding me back) would be when I go to upgrade a LGA-1366 CPU in 2-3 years, the only thing out there will be $800+ 6-core server chips.
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July 13, 2009 5:42:06 PM

d_mon1 said:
Well I don't have the monitor as of yet. But I might just get it at the same time I build the pc in around 4 months, but I'm not going all out with a 2560 x 2048 resolution, a 1920 x 1080 or MAYBE a 1920 x 1200 is good enough for me. Will i5 with an ATI 4870 be enough to handle MW2 or do you guys think I'll need a 4890?



well again, MW2 is not out yet, so I can't comment on its requirements, but assuming 1920*1200, that setup with a 4870 is going to kill any current gen games


lookie here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-char...

this will tell you more.


To Dmendenjr, this is a risk all of us LGA 1366 owners took, and for me what pushed me over was the 4 Ghz OCs that I was getting, in a few years down the road, they arn't going to ramp past that speed, and chances are new stuff are simply gona be octocores and what nots and not like a 8 Ghz cpu, maybe there will be a proc line with more IPC and thus does more work with lower clock, but by then chances are you'll need a new socket anyways from either of the lines (or not, this can all change)

The octocores will be killer if you got a sever that is fully used (gfx processing, virtualization of servers into one box, etc.) but for gaming, the current i7s will be the same.
August 1, 2009 4:05:19 AM

I bought an i7-920 from Micro Center, Orange/Tustin store. It is an EJ, doesn't look like they are canceling the sale either still $199.99. I say you guys go jump on it while you can.
August 1, 2009 5:55:03 AM

an i7 920 right now may not be the best option seeing as the i5s are coming out

and remember the 920 is the slowest one out of all of them

which means an i5 might be faster and comparable for the price of the processor, motherboard, and ram

never buy stuff based on hype
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August 1, 2009 5:58:17 AM

You can overclock the 920, just FYI...
August 1, 2009 5:59:54 AM

randomizer said:
You can overclock the 920, just FYI...



True and Overclock quite a bit, but I think waiting to see the i5s will be a good option
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August 1, 2009 6:03:35 AM

wow, and nobody noticed the mini necro.
August 1, 2009 7:23:51 AM

From the test results I have seen for i5s the i7s are much better...but that was the point of the lineup i7s were supposed to be high end, i5s mainstream, and i3s budget. The adjustment for the new line of i7s from what I have seen wasn't happening till like 2010 second half or 2011. That is just my understanding of it all though.

The reason people are hyping the i5s so much was supposedly the motherboards were going to be $100 bucks less not that the chips themselves would be less. The price points I saw for the i5s in the similar price range as the i7 920 was about $195 and the i7 920 kicked the i5s butt pretty much across the boards. So really you are only saving $100 on the motherboard with micro center clearing out the i7 920s. Maybe intel knows they have a champ on their hands and is trying to dump it so that there is a reason to buy the i5s that are not performing as well.
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August 1, 2009 7:49:19 AM

i5 performs fine, albeit behind i7 as you'd expect. Cost is the only thing that will sell it though.
August 22, 2009 9:19:11 AM

I was going to buy a 920 from newegg next week, but this thread got me thinking, anyone recently buy a 920 from them, I just got off of tech support, and I didn't think they'd know, but it was worth a shot.

Anyone know the stepping of 920s from newegg?

Wow, super bump, but still, I need an answer.
August 22, 2009 10:37:18 PM

Looking at UK prices here, you can pick up an X58 board for £125 and a D0 920 for £190. Now, I think that is pretty cheap. I honestly do not see any i5 mobos here in the UK being any cheaper upon release. I'm itching more towards the i7 920...
August 23, 2009 9:03:24 AM

darnit now i wanna wait for the i5 too, i was currently going for the Phenom II X4 955 or 945, but with the i5 coming out and the prices im hearing about them, 170 ish for the cpu and 150 ish for processor, (a lil cheaper than amd) why buy now right? well i hope in sept you guys are right =p that or i hope when the i5 come out amd will decide to drop their prices by 50 or something.
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August 24, 2009 9:46:41 AM

We'll see.
August 24, 2009 12:41:53 PM

amdfangirl said:
We'll see.


Haha...loving the picture (avatar)!
August 31, 2009 8:51:23 PM

Yes, Buy it. I did. They are all Batch B D0 stepping. The 1366 i7 920 is getting phased out I hear and getting replaced by the 1156 i7 920. All i7 1366 will cost $500 and up when the 1366 i9 comes out next year. i9s start at $999. i5 will be for mainstream. i3 will be for brokeass people. i7 will be for enthusiasts and i9s will be for the super rich enthusiasts.
August 31, 2009 9:03:35 PM

silvergo said:
darnit now i wanna wait for the i5 too, i was currently going for the Phenom II X4 955 or 945, but with the i5 coming out and the prices im hearing about them, 170 ish for the cpu and 150 ish for processor, (a lil cheaper than amd) why buy now right? well i hope in sept you guys are right =p that or i hope when the i5 come out amd will decide to drop their prices by 50 or something.


I will never buy AMD for my main computer again. For a cheap Media Center, maybe? Out of my 8 computers in my house, only 2 of them are AMD. One is a cheap media center and the other is a file server with a 939 socket dual core processor. I had bought the dual core AMD when they first came out for $300 because at the time they were kicking Intel's butt, but Intel quickly realized the shame of being defeated by "Always Second Place" AMD and came out with better and faster Dual Cores (C2D). Since then, Intel has never looked back. Now AMD can only compete by selling cheaper processors.
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