Best setup for quality home video edits and internet ?

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Is overclocking for gamers only ?
I am planning to get a new PC mostly for home use and some photo and video editing and burning. I will need a nice graphics card but most likely
only one [?].

If the future is the I7, Should I go for it ?

Base on your answers, Could you please list
the best setup for me , sub $1000 not including the softs and screen
 

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Thanks.
I do need firewire too.

Do I realy need the RAID setup?
I thought for editing I'll be better of
with 2 drives, one set for system and programs
and the other for edits and photos [?]
 

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Hi there.

1) You really need Raid 1 for data safety. If 1 drive fails in Raid 0, you lose ALL your data.

2) You don't need Raid 0 for video editing. This is a major misconception. Fast read/write speeds are needed if you are working with Film and/or uncompressed raw footage. Just find an ad for a preconfigured raid setup for Video Editing and you will see most of the time that it doesn't say the MB/s but it does say how many uncompressed HD or SD streams it can handle at the same time. A recent project of mine using Adobe After Effects lasted 13 seconds and had to be imported into Premiere Pro so no need to compress it. That 13s was 1GB in file size uncompressed. If you don't know or want to know what Cineform, Canopus HQ or Apple Pro Res are, then you don't need blazing drive speed.

Another example, a Blu Ray movie at 32 megabit is 4MB/s. A Canon handheld cam AVCHD is 24Mb = 3MB/s. The Sony EX-1 semi-pro HD cam is 35Mb = 4.5MB/s. HDV is 25Mb = 3.1MB/s. An average 7200rpm drive = average read/write= 80/75MB/s

3) You do need a good video card, especially with so many programs coming out with CUDA support for video encoding. You need a nvidia video card and at least the 9800GT for a few reasons: 1-many video editing programs support GL acceleration which helps BIG time when editing a video and working with effects; 2-CUDA is nvidia's programming code which allows software to utilize the massive number crunching power of their video cards. Only a handful of programs can use CUDA at the moment but there are more and more programs coming out with support. 3-Photoshop CS4 and Bridge support GL acceleration using current nvidia cards and it is sooo awesome being able to instantly render my raw photos in Bridge.

4) i7 is the future for Intel because it uses their new 1366 LGA socket and new CPU's from Intel will use this, and not the previous 775; so, if upgrades are in your very near future, then this is the way to go. However, the i7 motherboards are still expensive and the cheapest i7 cpu is the 920 @ $280 ($220@ microcenter). You can buy a good 775 board + Q8200 for under $300 and OC it to 3.0GHz no problem. For video editing/encoding, the new i7 cpu's do not add anything that make them much faster than the Q8xxx/Q9xxx series. You certainly don't want the older Q6xxx cuz they don't have SSE4.1 support which is a set of instructions designed for video encoding. Divx uses SSE4.1 and shaves about 40-50% off encode times. For your budget, I would certainly go with this mobo:
ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 for $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131299
and the Q8200(2.33GHz) or Q8300(2.5GHz)- this mobo can be bundled with a Q8300 for $305($15 off) at newegg. Also, Q8200 is on sale @ microcenter for $99.
In a year or two when you decide to upgrade, you can get a CPU & mobo that are faster than the i7 for less money.

-Zalman 9700LED for $35;
-4GB(2x2) DDR2-1066 for $40-45(you need 1066 to OC the Q8300 because the FSB will be too high for DDR2-800 ram)
-PC Power & Cooling S61EPS 610W @$105 w/$25MiR or a Corsair of similar power(500w+) and efficiency(83%+) you don't want to get a case with PSU already installed cuz if that PSU dies, then you need to send both the case & psu back. You want top quality because a bad PSU can destroy your entire system and PC P&C make the best PSU's.
-Case - whatever you choose, make sure there is good airflow throughout and great airflow for the hard drives.
- 2 - 1TB drives from Seagate($180, 100MB/s) or WD($220, 85-90MB/s). whatever you do, create the C partition using ONLY the first 70-80GB because short stroking will provide Much faster startup and program access. Create how many ever partitions for the rest. T'sH just did an article on short stroking so check it out if you like.

I went ahead and created a wishlist @ newegg for you and it costs $920 without MiR's.
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15247707
You could sub the case for the Antec P182 for $20 more. Both cases have good airflow and have insulation. I have the P180 which is almost identical and it is rather quiet for all the fans inside and all my drives.
The Q8200 is there cuz their Wishlist doesn't allow combos so no real price difference.
I included the GTS 250 instead of 9800GT because they are the same price but the 250 has better performance AND blows hot air out the back.
 
To the OP; When you lay out a budget like that, and you say you want a nice graphics card, and over clock....well you left the door wide open. :p If you don't game, you really should try it for the fact this rig is a ROCKET! :D Anyways this is about as good as it gets without getting an i7 rig. Again, if you don't game with this rig after your done doing your video editing stuff...it would be a shame. It would be in comparison to having a dragster yet never racing it on the track. ...lol

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021 <=== Better pics, specs, and customer reviews of the case used in this build.

http://www.securemart.com/SMA0092053?mv_pc=60&mv_specials=&mv_stock=y $74.48
Antec Nine Hundred Chassis - Mid-tower

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022 $74.99
OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128359 $114.99 ($99.99 after $15.00 Mail-In Rebate)
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - 2 oz copper PCB + Easy Tune 6 for OC

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=Q9550 $265.99 Free Ground Shipping
Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q9550 2.83GHz 1333MHz 12MB LGA775 CPU, OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029 $39.99
XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186020 $6.99
ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143170 $329.99 ($299.99 after $30.00 Mail-In Rebate) Free Shipping*
BFG Tech BFGEGTX2851024OCPE GeForce GTX 285 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Free Call of Duty: World at War w/ purchase, limited offer

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231209 $49.99 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319 $69.99 Free Shipping*
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152 $24.99 Free Shipping*
LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM

Total: $981.40 *not including shipping and rebates
 
> $1,000 i7 build

This build is set up to run SLI (dual video cards). Anyways this is a decent build for what you want. You can always add another video card later on in the future and run them in SLI. Also with the RAM, heat sink, thermal compound, and decent case airflow/ventilation it's ready to over clock. :)

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/gigabyte-nvidia-sli-motherboard,7463.html <=== Gigabyte X58 SLI tweak

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137 <=== Better pics, specs and customer reviews of the case used in this build

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=CA-RC690KK $68.34
Cooler Master RC-690-KKN1-GP No Power Supply ATX Mid Tower Case (Black)

http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-650w-tx-series-80-plus-certified-power-supply-corsair-tx-cmpsu/q/loc/101/206178324.html $94.74 Price After Rebate(s): $74.74 Shipping: FREE
Corsair TX CMPSU-650TX ATX12V & EPS12V Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128375 $199.99 ($184.99 after $15.00 Mail-In Rebate)
GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=I7-920 $265.99 Free Ground Shipping
Intel Core i7 Processor i7-920 2.66GHz 8MB LGA1366 CPU, OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029 $39.99
XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186020 $6.99
ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150357 $129.99
XFX GS250XYDFC GeForce GTS 250 512MB Core Edition 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Free Call of Duty: World at War w/ purchase, limited offer

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231247 $94.99 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319 $69.99 Free Shipping*
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152 $24.99 Free Shipping*
LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM

Total: $996.00 *not including shipping and rebates
 

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Thank you so much !

I am still not sure re the RAID. I know I need another phisical HD for the
Windows and the programs. and how much of a raid do I realy need for low volume video work [?].

Could you please give me on the wish list an option for i7 setup too ?
I know I will not upgrade for the next 2-3 years so I might spend
another $-200 now instead.
 

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1) Believe me, you really don't need a "separate" drive for the OS and video files. I've been doing video editing as a hobby for the last 1.5 yrs and have been doing it for a career for the last 3 months. I use Adobe's Master Collection which includes Premiere Pro and After Effects. Both of these programs are extremely demanding on the CPU, Ram, Video card and hard drives. Premiere Pro uses a 'media cache' for project files while I'm working in the program. The placement of the media cache is somewhat important for editing video. I have 4- 10k rpm drives in a Raid 10 AND a Raid 0. Intel has their 'Matrix Raid' which allows you to take 2,3,4,5 or 6 drives and create 2 Raid arrays on 1 set of drives. A Raid array is like a 'volume' of a number of drives.
-Raid 1 = 2 drives, 'mirrors' them so if one drive fails, the other still has the same data and you lose no data and no downtime reinstalling everything.
-Raid 0 = 2-6 drives, 'stripes' or splits data across all drives. a 4-drive Raid 0, a 1GB file is divided into 250MB chunks across each drive. Now, if one drive fails, you lose ALL your data. Raid 0 is mainly for those in Film video editing or broadcast where 2 hours of footage takes up 900GB. Plus, they also use SAN's(storage area network) to hold all of their data while the Raid 0 PC is just for working on the video files.
-Raid 10 = 4 or 6 drives, it takes Raid 1 and combines it with Raid 0. It takes a 2 drive 'mirror' and another 2 drive 'mirror' and splits the data between them. Think of it this way. Drives 1,2,3,4 - 1+2 are mirror #1, 3+4 are mirror #2. a 100MB file is split into an 'A' chunk and a 'B' chunk 50MB each. Mirror #1 holds the 'A' chunk and Mirror #2 holds the 'B' chunk. So, each chunk is held on 2 drives each. Technically, you can have two drives fail at the same time and lose no data(1+3 or 2+4).
-Intel's Matrix Raid:
- using 2 1TB drives: create a Raid 1 using the first 850GB; then create a Raid 0 for the last 150+GB. The Raid 0 is for your media cache. Or if you don't mind spending a day reinstalling your OS & Apps if a drive fails, create the Raid 0 on the first 150GB to hold the OS/Apps & Media cache and a Raid 1 on the last 900GB. This will give you a little more speed AND still protect your data. ($180)
- using 4-500GB drives: create a Raid 10 on the first 850GB and a Raid 0 on the last 250GB. This gives you far better speed than the 2 drive while still protecting your data. And this is what I use and it works great. ($240)
- using 2 sets of 2 drives: get 2-74GB Raptors and run in Raid 0 for the OS & media cache and get 2-1TB drives and run in Raid 1 for storage/video files($380)

Raid is not something a select few do. Hard drives FAIL. That is a guarantee. I had my first Raptor(of 8) die a few weeks ago. I have not lost any data or any downtime. Oh yeah, this Raptor drive is an enterprise-class drive designed to run 24/7 under heavy use, and if it can die after only 2 years with Great cooling/airflow, 'regular' desktop drives have an even better chance of failing. One more thing to think about, it costs over $800 to try to get data off of a dead drive. I learned the hard way with an external drive with 300GB of data.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=9707765
a little over $1200, with 2-1TB drives; the i7 CPU is $25off in a combo with the motherboard but the wishlist doesn't allow combos. There might be other combos I missed. The i7 920 is $230 @ microcenter if you have one near you. plus they have as good prices or better than newegg. The Seagate drives included are among the fastest 1-TB drives on the market(faster than WD & Samsung) and they are low on noise, heat & energy consumption.
 

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Sorry Dash, I can get carried away.

If you have any questions about Raid, don't hesitate to ask.

I am trying to help you "protect" your data and also give you much better performance. I'm sure you have heard of the saying, "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link". Well, the hard drive is almost always the weakest & slowest link in a PC. Any gains in hard drive performance are felt immediately, whereas gains in video card, ram or cpu performance won't be.
 

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http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=9707765
a little over $1200, with 2-1TB drives; the i7 CPU is $25off in a combo with the motherboard but the wishlist doesn't allow combos. There might be other combos I missed. The i7 920 is $230 @ microcenter if you have one near you. plus they have as good prices or better than newegg. The Seagate drives included are among the fastest 1-TB drives on the market(faster than WD & Samsung) and they are low on noise, heat & energy consumption.[/quotemsg]

Hay ' It took me a while but this time I am jumping in..
I looked over the wishlist and was thinking that you might want
to change now since the MOBO and the case are sooo expensive
and also the GTS 250 card may be an overkill for the video needs [???]