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Here's a wee poll on the above subject...
It's a little drawn out, but I need to seperate the US folk from the others, as their obvious differences in constitutional rights creates huge differences of opinion. The question is easy, and the answer really depends partly on your basic belief and your origin. Please don't [-peep-] about with it, as it's worth seeing what's what here.
Here goes:
<b>Should firearms be banned?</b>
Cheers folks!!!
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The options could have been endless there. This way you vote with your basic feelings on the subject. For or against. Easy!
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| Quote : Rifles are a slightly different issue, as they are used by people who hunt, so they have a purpose. |
I don't hunt (it seems cruel and I'm a nice guy
but if I did I can assure you it would not be with a rifle (no fun in that). I would try (and fail horribly) to use a handgun (x2) or even sub-machine gun / assault rifle.
You're saying guns only have a purpose for hunting (animals?). No where does the 2nd amendment say anything about hunting (keep in mind im no lawyer). We (Americans) have the right to bear arms because it's "necessary to the security of a free State".
| Quote : Most people who own handguns wouldn't know what the hell to do with it, maintain or rectify problems with, and I can be damn certain that when push comes to shove, wouldn't be able to pull the trigger and shoot someone. |
Thats why there are gun saftey courses. You could say the same thing about automobiles or even computers. Maybe I just don't hang around "most people" (read:Europeans) but everyone I know with a gun knows exactly how to maintain it, what it's for, etc. When push comes to shove your probably right, I wouldn't want to shoot anyone, but if some [-peep-] broke into my home and tried robbing me I don't think I'd have a problem shooting him in the leg (I'd miss probably miss anyway 
).
| Quote : This is an incredibly complex and emotional subject, that could be debated for months on end. Break it down and you have the issue of handguns, rifles (by that I mean hunting rifles), smg's shotguns, assault rifles etc. Each demanding seperate discussion. |
Now this I can agree with.
See the "Kill em all" thread in the other section. Handguns and semi-auto rifles were banned in the UK in 1996.
Read this <A HREF="http://www.holsters-for-handguns.com/dunblane.htm" target="_new">article</A>, but read completely to understand how things happened in the UK. Grab a coke and get comfy, as it's worth reading, and you need to read it all to gain <b>all</b> the facts.
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You Sir are a shining example of good sense. If you don't like something you opt out, rather than prevent others from having fun.
Pity there's not more folk around with the same attitude.
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Thats all well and good. I obviously misread what you were saying. I thought you ment, "If I don't have a need for firearms then others don't."
Sometimes I just get in the zone 
That's what happened over here too.
Handguns were banned, then they wanted other guns and are still at it. Fox hunting in Scotland etc etc.
They want fishing banned too. Anything which involves the hunting or catching of animals. Bottom line is, they have nothing better to do with their time than attack other peoples' interests, and they obviously have little non-political interests of their own.
Pity they couldn't throw themselves into neighbour hood watch schemes so efficiently, but then "that's not their job" etc etc. No one wants to burgle their bedsits.
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They're trying to enact some new legislation last I heard to ban fishing/ make u need some extra stuff to do it cause some new study showed fish feel pain. I'm seriously gonna slap someone. In terms of a handgun, come to NYC. One of my dad's professors when he was in Columbia U came in really freaked out one morning. As she was pulling in some guy had whipped out a handgun and pointed it her (she was in her car) and threatened to shoot her if she didn't give him her money. Sh!t like that happens quite a bit there, so maybe a handgun would add some security, but then the issue is if the guy sees you pull out something, he could easily shoot u before u even reached your pocket (guys, don't say you're James Bond and it takes you .0000001 miliseconds to pull out, take safety off or load a handgun and shoot a guy dead straight between the eyes thru ur pocket, it ain't happeneing). Rifles for hunting r a good thing, but then we can always jump dear w/ knives 
j/k. I do agree with the not having balls to pull trigger, but obviously accidents happen and people do occasionally get too pissed off to think right so they do something and then say o sh!t. Certainly a better focus would be on lowering illegal gun sales cause those r the ones that often go into the wrong hands.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by flamethrower205 on 06/13/03 07:08 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Yes or No.
No grey areas in this poll. If you can't vote, don't. If the options available mean that you would vote Yes or No due to a lack of other options, then vote with you heart.
That's half the point. If you think that the banning of one type leads to the banning of another type, you're halfway to realising how legislation in the UK works.
First it's the handguns, then the foxes then the etc. etc.
It's divide and conquer. What I wanna see is who believes what on the whole.
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The "guns" issue, in regards to the US, can only be responsibly debated when all parties understand and agree the reason for the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Recall that the United States was born entirely from open, armed rebellion against the legitimate ruling power at that time: the British government. Owing to that fact, the writers of the Constitution and its Bill of Rights hypothesized the possibility that a government of men could become increasingly a disservice to the governed, and that it would become necessary for the governed to overthrow the government yet again.
In other words, the second Amendment affords U.S. citizens the right to own guns to protect themselves from a would-be a tyrannical government. Liberals would have one believe that the phrase “well-regulated militia” refers to the National Guard, some other armed service, or the police force. It did not and it does not. It refers to all citizens. It is no coincidence that during the communist revolution in Russia, the first things to go were firearms and religion.
It is difficult to think that Americans would ever need to take up arms against their own government. It is even more difficult to fathom how they could succeed.
Anyway, this is a hardware forum.
Regards,
Dave
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Well said.
Education is half the battle.
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Isn't it rather hard to stun a deer at 300 yards?
Or stun a target at 100 yards perhaps?
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LoL!!!
You're serious.
I was being sarcastic.
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No. We should be teachin gthose who want to use how to use em properly, responsibly and carefully. What's more they should be taught about proper ways of storing and transporting the weapons.
It's like being told that PCs are lethal, so from now on you'll have to use a gameboy. Sure it's fun, but it's not what you want is it?
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Problem is PCs are not lethal and guns are very very lethal. It doesn't matter if you learned to handle or gun or not, you can still kill someone with it if you want.
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Yes... but most of those things have many non-lethal applications while guns have not. You can only use it to practice shootings or to kill something.
And maybe this sounds strange, but I don't see how anyone owning a gun or carrying a gun can make a cosiety safer.
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I have nothing against hunting FOR FOOD (I hate hunting as pure recreation). But do you need a fully autmatic uzy to hunt... and do people in cities hunt? I don't think most people that own a gun use it for hunting purposes.
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Yes, people who live in cities hunt. Plenty of them. They just drive to the country to do it. People in cities need ways to defend themselves, too. Most good cops will tell you there’s 2 big things that will change a person’s mind if they break into your house to rob and kill or rape somebody.
1. A big damn dog
2. The sound of a shell being chambered into a pump-action shotgun.
Now, some people can’t have a dog because of working out of town, allergies, etc. But having a shotgun doesn’t take any babysitting.
What if somebody with a gun broke into your house to kneecap you, kill your family, and steal Heavy Blue (threw that in there just for you ) and yall had no way to defend yourselves. Now, imagine you could just chamber that shell into a shotgun where he could hear it, and make him crap his pants and run? On the other hand, if all you could legally have was a stun-gun, what would you do? Threaten him with your Tazer versus him and his snubnose .38 he bought from a crack dealer last week?
There’s more to hunting than the people who actually do the hunting for food, too. Take my father-in-law, for example. He trains bird-dogs (English pointers) as a means of secondary income, for people who like to hunt pheasant and other game birds. He’s the best in the state and has a room full of trophies and plaques to prove it. If people couldn’t have guns and hunt (for food or sport), they’d have no reason to pay him to train their bird dogs, and he wouldn’t have that secondary income. Then they might not be able to buy us the $1,000US refrigerator they’re going to buy us when we move into our house in 6 months, and that would affect me.
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Don't start that one Svol!
Guns are lethal. Knives are lethal. <b>People are lethal</b>
Guns are used in non-lethal sports. Knives are used for non-lethal purposes. <b>People with proper training, education and responsibility can be trusted</b>
Don't make out that their original purpose is arguement enough. If that's the case, ban explosives, ban horse riding and ban computers.
Explosives are used in many aspects of civil engineering, oil exploration etc. They just don't look like a bag of powder or a stick of dynamite anymore.
Horses were used by humans to fight with other tribes, be it for speed or simple muscle. Then later they were used as formations, and eventually for dragging heavy weapons.
Computers...
The first computer was Colossus. It was built to crack the Lorenz cypher used by Hitler and his generals. Therefore, it should be banned as it was originally designed, and is still used today for reasons of attack or defence.
Lets use common sense. Any fool can fire a loaded gun. It's up to those with sense to make sure fewer fools get their hands on em, by preventing illegal gun movements, access to guns and doing a few simple character checks on those who wish to possess them legally.
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If the thief is armed himselve and knows how to handle a gun I wonder if he really would run.
Maybe it is just me, but I don't like the idea to live in a country every idiot can get a gun without problems or even buy them in the grosery store. I prefer the strict laws we got here where you have to go through a lot of rules before you get your hand on your 'precious' gun.
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