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April 9, 2009 5:37:48 PM

hi guys
i need some help with a new gaming rig
i have a £270 budget that i cant go over to build my gaming rig with.
i was thinking i could us a E5200 and Xfx hd 4850 xxx with pc2-8500 and Asus P5KPL-AM
i will mostly be playing age of empires 3, empire total war, call of duty 4 and 5 , and mostly RTS games
would this system be effecint for what i want to do. (could any one recomend a better setup)

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April 9, 2009 5:41:50 PM


forgot to mention
i also have a samsung tv that i will be using.
it's 19 inch and 1400 by 900
would i be able to play crysis on this with decent fps.
April 9, 2009 5:58:57 PM

That is a tight budget...Do you own anything already that you can reuse? Or do you need everything? is the £270 just for the cpu, gpu, ram, and mobo?

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Gigabyte-GA-G31M-ES2L-iG...(x16)-DDR2-1066(OC)-800-MHz-SATA-II-Micro-ATX
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149639
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/148715
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY...
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA...

That's 225, not including an OS or GPU...I think you are going to have a rough time with this build if you are starting from scratch.
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a b 4 Gaming
April 9, 2009 6:00:30 PM

The HD 4850 can deliver close to 38 fps in Crysis at 1400x900, I'm guessing. That's based on the results in this review:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=13
(they got 37 fps at 1280x1024 and 30 fps at 1680x1050)

The E5200 will disappoint you at stock, but will do all right if you buy an aftermarket cooler and overclock it.

Make sure you have a 450W PSU or larger.
April 9, 2009 6:09:36 PM

If you have a budget, then AMD is the way to go.

I would also suggest getting a slightly worse edition of 4850, and getting a slightly better CPU.
Here is my suggestion:

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

VIDEO CARD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That should play what games you mentioned fairly well.
1400x900 resolution shouldn't be a problem, even if you decide to go with what you suggested in the first place.
April 9, 2009 6:36:26 PM

boudy said:
If you have a budget, then AMD is the way to go.

I would also suggest getting a slightly worse edition of 4850, and getting a slightly better CPU.
Here is my suggestion:

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

VIDEO CARD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That should play what games you mentioned fairly well.
1400x900 resolution shouldn't be a problem, even if you decide to go with what you suggested in the first place.

I guess you missed the £270 budget part...newegg doesn't work for him.
April 9, 2009 6:49:27 PM

best bet to fit into that budget would be a 4750 maybe even a 4770 since the 4750 is as powerful as the 4830 but a bit cheaper and the 4770 is as powerful as a 4850 but as cheap as the 4830.
a b 4 Gaming
April 9, 2009 7:17:13 PM

Link please? I want to see this 4770.... It sounds perfect for a build I need to do soon.
April 9, 2009 7:22:10 PM

hey guys thanks for your responses,
my budget is only for cpu gpu mobo and ram
my build date is secound week in june.
if ur are woundering about my psu its a 500w antec
and i will be able to upgrade my system again in febuary cuz of my birthday and christmas.
can you only refer to uk websites, thank you
another opiton would be (from ebuyer)
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz Socket 775 1333FSB 4MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor (148933) £133.99
Asus P5KPL-AM
Corsair 4GB Kit (2x2GB) (6400)
Sapphire HD 4670 512MB GDDR3 VGA DVI HDMI HDCP PCI-E Graphics Card (158995) £62.10

come to around £270 ish
"helloworld" comment about the Hd 4750 and 4770 i dont think those card exist yet.
i am really tempted to go quad just to futerproof system.
April 9, 2009 7:24:15 PM

xthekidx said:
I guess you missed the £270 budget part...newegg doesn't work for him.


XD I guess I did.


Quote:
Link please? I want to see this 4770.... It sounds perfect for a build I need to do soon


It isnt out yet. It should be out near the beginning of May.
He was just talking about the rumors of the card, those arent factual statements....yet, anyways.
a b 4 Gaming
April 9, 2009 7:37:24 PM

Nice, 40nm :)  I thought that was still months away...
April 9, 2009 7:41:36 PM

aevm said:
Nice, 40nm :)  I thought that was still months away...


For Nvidia, maybe. ;) 
ATI is also rumored to be coming out with 40nm DirectX11 cards in Q4 this year.
April 9, 2009 8:03:11 PM

bhavin31 said:
im not much of a Amd guy cus of how amd perform in benchmarks

Amd does fine in benchmarks at their price segments, they are more often than not better than intel.
April 9, 2009 8:16:48 PM

bhavin31 said:
im not much of a Amd guy cus of how amd perform in benchmarks


AMD tends to give you more performance for the price. That's why when you are on a low budget, AMD is usually the better choice.
a b 4 Gaming
April 9, 2009 8:35:20 PM

+1

Also, when you read benchmarks, try to compare CPUs that cost the same.

For example a $190 Intel E8500 beats a $72 AMD Kuma, sure, but the performance per $ is actually way better with the Kuma.

April 9, 2009 9:10:24 PM

Asus P5KPL-AM iG31 Socket 775 onboard VGA 8 channel audio mATX Motherboard £39.99
Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 2.33GHz Socket 775 1333FSB 4MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor £133.99
OCZ 4GB Kit (2x2GB) DDR2 1066MHz/PC2-8500 Reaper Memory HPC Edition Dual Channel £50.83
Arctic Power 500W PSU With PCI-E 2x SATA, 20+4 ATX12V 8pin +12V Connectors - Retail Boxed £28.98
Plexus DVI-D Dual Link Flat Panel Replacement Cable (Black) 2m £3.85
Sapphire HD 4650 512MB with 1GB HyperMemory GDDR3 VGA DVI HDMI PCI-E Graphics Card £46.99
all from ebuyer come to £304.63 with free P&P
im thinking in febuary 2010 i can upgrade the gpu but do i need a more powerful PSU
April 9, 2009 9:14:40 PM

sorry for doble post
Arctic Power 500W PSU With PCI-E 2x SATA, 20+4 ATX12V 8pin +12V Connectors - Retail Boxed £28.98
would this psu handle the q8200 and a HD 4850, 4870, 4870 x2 , 4890
April 9, 2009 9:20:19 PM

I wouldn't count on it.
April 9, 2009 9:52:47 PM

I wouldn't just pick any PSU unless I knew something about how reputable it was...I have never heard anything about Arctic Power PSUs, which isn't a good thing. Most no-name PSU's are bad and will take your system out.
April 9, 2009 10:05:36 PM

bhavin31 said:
check out the review people seem to be happy with it and has no rating below 3

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/124922

You can't just go by user reviews, the casual user doesn't know what is actually going on with power regulation ect. Read a review from www.jonnyguru.com and you will see what I mean. You should really do some extensive power regualtion and an indepth look as to how well the PSU is put together before you buy it.
April 9, 2009 10:43:21 PM

i had a look and i will be getting Arctic Power 500w
there are loads of reviews that i checked out it seems to be okay.
i should be fine with a q8200 and xfx hd 4850 xxx
and that system will last me 3 years then an upgrade to core 2 octo lol
April 10, 2009 3:55:25 AM

bhavin31, I would listen to the advise that xthekidx is giving you. 90% of posted reviews online are by basic users that don't have any demanding needs. And/or are just clueless about what's really going on under the hood.

I have seen quite a few bad reviews about Arctic Power PSU's.

It's your choice not to follow the advise of the users on this forum. Just remember one thing, you asked us for help/advise. We gave it to you, and you have made up your own mind dispite what we tell you.

Any real power user/gamer knows that the PSU is the heart of a computer system.

I ask that you reconsider your plan on purchasing that PSU and consider other options. Heck, even a cheap Antec earthwatts 4500-500W is a better choice.
April 10, 2009 6:15:15 AM

wickedsnow said:
Heck, even a cheap Antec earthwatts 4500-500W is a better choice.


Yes a 4500W PSU is MUCH better choice. I didnt even know they made those :lol: .
Sorry I just couldnt let it slide ;) .

I am in total agreeance with wickedsnow on this one. You asked us for help, not the other way around. You should take into consideration what we say.
This may seem like a good deal, but you are actually getting ripped off.
You mentioned before that you have an Antec 500W PSU. Why are you trying to 'upgrade' that to a no-name 500W PSU?
April 10, 2009 7:02:00 AM

The PSU is the last place you want to skimp on a pc. Even skimping on a CPU or GPU is better, you can overclock those to make up ground. The PSU is the backbone of the PC. If a PSU fails, your whole system is likely to go with it. If that PSU was worth anything, then Arctic Power would sell it for more than 26#. You get what you pay for in a PSU.
April 10, 2009 9:11:46 AM

the best psu to go for in your price range is the seasonic/silverpower Green Power 500w, it'll take 4830's in CF or a 4890 which is way more than the psu chose can give.

They only cost £45 aswell.
April 10, 2009 10:46:19 AM

shudl i go with the q8200 or the e7400
April 10, 2009 3:00:30 PM

boudy, the 4500W is really awesome. You didn't see it on newegg.com for like 9 bucks? best PSU ever. lol. (I meant 450W, but good one.)

Helloworld-98's suggestion is a good one. I would consider it.

bhavin31, that would depend on what you plan on doing. The e7400 can OC way higher than the Q8200, and overall is better for today's games.

Now will gaming make full use of quad-core's later? I can only dream.

A q8200 will future-proof you in the OS/applications horsepower dept for the next 3-5 years depending on your needs.

The E7400 OCed will be great for gaming for 2-3 years.

Without knowing your CPU budget or your gaming/os/application needs, I can't really reccomend any CPU to you. Please give us more info.
April 10, 2009 4:17:00 PM

i have decided t go with a e5200 2gb ram and a hd3650.
i am just a casual pc gamer.
i hope it last between 2 and 3 years.
it will be a big step up from my laptop which is core 2 duo 1.83ghz gma945 1gb ram
April 10, 2009 5:09:09 PM

bhavin31 said:
i have decided t go with a e5200 2gb ram and a hd3650.
i am just a casual pc gamer.
i hope it last between 2 and 3 years.
it will be a big step up from my laptop which is core 2 duo 1.83ghz gma945 1gb ram


Hold on there, cowboy. You can get a pretty good video card for the same price as the 3650. More specifically, the 4650: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX...
April 10, 2009 5:16:26 PM

that will only be a slight step up cpu wise.

and that build will last exactly 4 months for a casual gamer. Or it could be 1 month, depends when the dual core p2 comes out.

for £270 you could get way better if you went with as 7750, 4gb of ram, a silverpower 500w, a biostar 790 mobo and a 4670. pretty much bang on £270, and will last longer, you can probably oc to 3.0ghz on stock cooler and 3.5 if you go after market.
April 10, 2009 5:20:27 PM

+1 to boudy
April 10, 2009 6:05:17 PM

i will only be playing a couple of games
ages of empires 3 and all the expansion packs on full settings
empire total war

and maybe
call of duty 5 (but is availble on ps3)
left 4 dead

my ps3 gets priority in games
then my pc
April 10, 2009 6:19:13 PM

E5200
HD4670
2gb ram
500w psu
for £210
i think this should be enough for at least 2 years
April 10, 2009 6:21:24 PM

i still go 2 months tto my build date (secound week in june)
and who know intel might release 32nm cpu or i might be able to get the hd4770 for the same price
!