4890 vs 260 core 216

is wondering which one of these graphics cards was the best for the money:

Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4890 1GB DDR5 2DVI PCI-Express Video Card, Retail 219.99$

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EVGA 896-P3-1255-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail 189.99$

both cards have free shipping and a 20$ mail in rebate, thanks for all the help

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I'm not sure what you mean by best for the money, but the 4890 is definitely the better performer of the 2.

Reply to boudy

i mean that if i were to spend 190$ would it be better to save the 30 extra$ for the worse performance as apposed to spending 220$ but getting better just a little more performance, which one has more "bang for its buck"?

Reply to mak213

It depends of the resolution you are playing at, the higher the resolution the more powerful card you need. If you are playing at 1280 x 1024 you would not see an visual difference between the two cards, at 1920 x 1080 there will be a difference on the other hand.

Reply to rolli59

The 4980 is definitely the better value, especially if you don't mind overclocking. Stock it already bests the GTX 275 overclocked it mops the floor with the 260 and often beats the 285.

Reply to Jaysin

screw that $30 and get HD4890 ! Clock it to 1+Ghz (99% possible) and you'll beat GTX285!

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Reply to yonef

4890 it is.... I run my XOC 4890 1000core/1050mem.... No issues at all.

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Reply to leon2006

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814150329
A 260 with far cry 2 and call of duty 5 for $169.99 after a mail-in rebate. If you plan to get those games, this is a huge bang for the buck.

also, i hear an xfx 4890 black edition will be coming out soon, that can clock to 1 GHz... so if you want to spend more on a really good card, I would either wait and buy that card, or wait for the price of the normal 4890 to drop. The black edition 4890 is said to be $280.

Reply to M4r71n v4n Bur3n

i don't see the point in factroy clocked cards unless they had a custom cooler like the HD4890 atomic, as mostly they are exactly the same card as a referance card just overclocked and has a different BIOS

Reply to AMG

AMG,

actually I had a couple of conversations with EVGA tech support about that exact thing on a 8800gtx superclocked card I had. Factory overclocked cards are binned different...both the tech guys I talked to said they (EVGA) will overclock the cards they get from NVidia until they fail, then bin them to the max range each card sees. The cards that overclock reliably will get the "overclocked", "superclocked" or "Ultra" title depending on the MHz they fail at. So they absolutely said that an 8800 Ultra card had better silicone than a standard 8800 gtx card.

Reply to japps2

I would hope so to, stroy about EVGA and dust as well. that aside. most of the time we could acheave the overclock of the factroy overclocked cards. the "superclocked" are not ref cards noramly well not in AMD/ATIs cards as tehy have got better coolers maybe better powermanement and stuff.

just my option as one is offten paying anything up to £100 more for something like a EVGA superclock or something

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Reply to AMG

The main thing is, are those cards rare or not. They can still bin the cards differently but if the ones that get the standard moniker are only 5mhz off the max 'OC' version, then is it still worth a hefty premium? Because 50+% of the card fail at the same point as the 'OC' model, not all of those are becoming OCs, cause they can't sell that many for the added price, so they will still end up in standard cards.

The problem is you never know how reliable the standard cards are versus the 'OC' 'Extreme' etc models until enough people have tested them. Any card that's already having yield problems then it's a better bet to go with an OC model since it's likely rare to get them to get alot of headroom if they're having trouble producing just stock speed; but the more mature they get it's likely they all start meeting similar top ends as the process is refined.

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Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

I'd have to say it depends on what your chipset is , if you have an Nvidia chipset GET the GTX 260 it will kill the 4890 , but only with the Nvidia Chipset same goes for AMD chipsets it will kill the GTX260 but only with the AMD chipset otherwise they both perform about the same.

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Reply to Gin Fushicho

Gin Fushicho wrote :

I'd have to say it depends on what your chipset is , if you have an Nvidia chipset GET the GTX 260 it will kill the 4890 , but only with the Nvidia Chipset same goes for AMD chipsets it will kill the GTX260 but only with the AMD chipset otherwise they both perform about the same.

No...

Explain to me why the 4890 runs faster on this 680i SLI board here than the GTX 260...

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Message edited by Jaysin on 06-05-2009 at 10:38:44 AM

Reply to Jaysin

cos the HD4890 is faster than the GTX260

GTX260=HD4870

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Reply to AMG

Jaysin wrote :

No...

Explain to me why the 4890 runs faster on this 680i SLI board here than the GTX 260...

Because 680i boards suck.....

http://www.nvidia.com/object/motherboards_buy_now.html

Its on the low end of enthusiast.

Reply to Gin Fushicho

lol what does that have to do?
video card performance is not tied to brand of mobo...
it only depends on the processor, the connection to mobo (there's a slight loss when they run at 8x, but most mobos have at least one with 16x) and the card itself....
with the same processor at the same speeds on the best and worst mobos in the planet and a 16x pci lane, a 4870 or any card will perform the same...

write that down Gin

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Reply to Nica Guy

Nica Guy wrote :

lol what does that have to do?
video card performance is not tied to brand of mobo...
it only depends on the processor, the connection to mobo (there's a slight loss when they run at 8x, but most mobos have at least one with 16x) and the card itself....
with the same processor at the same speeds on the best and worst mobos in the planet and a 16x pci lane, a 4870 or any card will perform the same...

write that down Gin

Look a Nvidia chipset is going to do better with a Nvidia card. It was built for Nvidia GPU's get your facts straight. If I were to throw a 4870 or 4890 on my MOBO right now I would see MUCH less performance on my games , same as if I threw my GTX 260 in my AMD 790FX MOBO I HAVE done this and there is a LOT less performance. Chipsets matter a SHITLOAD. you NEVER skimp out on something like a MOBO , it IS tied to the brand a quality of the MOBO and if you are going to put high quality parts in a machine you better get a high quality MOBO to put the parts on. You put your 4890 in a 570 chipset and tell me the quality of your game then put it in a 790FX and tell me again. THEN why don't you play around with AMD and Nvidia chipsets also and tell me a difference again?! If there is anything I've bought a ton of and used many of its MOBO's. so shove it up your ass douchbag.

/rant

Message edited by Gin Fushicho on 06-06-2009 at 01:22:15 AM

Reply to Gin Fushicho

4890 ~ GTX275
4870 ~ GTX260

The two aren't in the same category. You can get a GTX260 for $160...so it's probably more bang for your buck even though the 4890 is better in terms of performance.

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Reply to Bluescreendeath

Gin Fushicho wrote :

I'd have to say it depends on what your chipset is , if you have an Nvidia chipset GET the GTX 260 it will kill the 4890 , but only with the Nvidia Chipset same goes for AMD chipsets it will kill the GTX260 but only with the AMD chipset otherwise they both perform about the same.

Man .... the chipset got nothing to do with the card

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Reply to witcherx

If you got this choice go for 4980... better of the two and you will njoy to oc it.. cheers

Reply to witcherx

witcherx wrote :

Man .... the chipset got nothing to do with the card

Read the rant above.

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Reply to Gin Fushicho

ok ur right and everyone else who know way more than u are wrong...
i tried a 9800gt in my x48 and performed exactly the same as every other 9800gt...

Message edited by Nica Guy on 06-06-2009 at 01:43:37 AM

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Reply to Nica Guy

maybe ur just plain stupid because u have "bought a ton" and still know that little...

research before writing... that way maybe u won't sound too stupid...

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Reply to Nica Guy

Get the cheaper card. If running 1680 - 1050 res. The 260 216 core superclocked is pretty nice and runs low power when not gaming. (web browsing) Full load on a 275 is like 350 watts, 298 watts on the 260 gtx. There's a lot of ways to look at this situation : Power consumption, heat, Etc.. Balance your Hardware with realistic expectations and you won't go wrong. I'm waiting for the next gen myself but very impressed with the 260 gtx.

Reply to Obie327

Gin Fushicho wrote :

Read the rant above.

I have, and you're wrong. Chipsets (as far as GPUs are concerned) only matter for number of PCI-E lanes and SLI/CF compatibility. In terms of CPU overclocks and general system stability though, Nvidia tends to be bottom of the barrel. Intel is quite a bit better, unless you need SLI capability.

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Reply to cjl

yeah, as chipsets are concerned it goes,

AMD > Intel > NVidia

Reply to Helloworld_98

cjl wrote :

I have, and you're wrong. Chipsets (as far as GPUs are concerned) only matter for number of PCI-E lanes and SLI/CF compatibility. In terms of CPU overclocks and general system stability though, Nvidia tends to be bottom of the barrel. Intel is quite a bit better, unless you need SLI capability.

*facepalm* you kinda just said my point. My point was that chipsets have an effect on your gaming ability. ugh..... I'm done.

Message edited by Gin Fushicho on 06-06-2009 at 07:46:33 PM

Reply to Gin Fushicho

no chip set does not matter untill you are going to run multi GPUs on the board, for example a X58 board with say GTX280 SLI is going to burn off 780i mobi with the same graphics card.

singly it probley makes 1 or 2 frame rates not even worth worrying about, and no sticking a AMD card on a nVIDA one will not kill it as the PCIe slot has the same voltage and stuff going through it.

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Reply to AMG

AMG wrote :

no chip set does not matter untill you are going to run multi GPUs on the board, for example a X58 board with say GTX280 SLI is going to burn off 780i mobi with the same graphics card.

singly it probley makes 1 or 2 frame rates not even worth worrying about, and no sticking a AMD card on a nVIDA one will not kill it as the PCIe slot has the same voltage and stuff going through it.

Your still again proving my point that it still makes a difference.

Reply to Gin Fushicho

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