DirectX11 shader in action on Nvidias upcoming GPU

Hmm, that was a bad translation.

What it actually was about as far as i gleaned was a press conference showing the gtx 275 with anouncements, i.e. PR about physx, compute shaders and upcoming titles supporting them i think.

I think weve just about reached the point where nothing can excite this market anymore. Graphics have offically stepped into the realm of photo realism which means there will never be anymore true improvements other than a little refining here and there. At least within the next few years.

Ever since buying my GTX 285 I havnt even glanced at any tech. Ive completely lost my will, urge, and addiction to upgrade my hardware. Ever since ive bought this X3370 and GTX 285 I finally feel secure and pleased with my system, it runs everything perfectly smooth on max and does what I want it to do.

Pass on GTX 300 and HD 5000.

I moved onto consoles, alot cheaper, and I can't tell the difference.

Just wait till all the games start coming out again late fall early winter.

Im looking forwards to tesselation, and to see how more "real" real can get.

Fame loss dx 10 cards are great lol running in dx9 games when dx10 cards came out they ran dx9 cards faster then anything else could and then some somewhat amazingly so with dx11 lets hope it runs dx 10 at grea fps lol and well move on from there

Its close enough. Graphics dont need to get any better. How about we start seeing some actual GOOD games made (remember those?) instead of all these $50 tech demos weve been given over the past 2 years.

All this Physx stuff is actually starting to add up, it may come down to Physx support when I choose between ATI and NV on my DX11 video card... I think ATI needs to come up with something fast.

Right, because Spider and Dragon arent "marketing tricks". Riiiiiiight...

Yep

Lately, ATIs focus has been on the betterment of gfx in general, such as having DX10.1,or having a built in tessellator in their cards.
CUDA, and using nVidias gpgpu arch, the way it appears to be setup, enhances this capability, so essentially, nVidia is moving things ahead as well, tho, its their own initiative, but it is coming, and once LRB is here, itll be all the talk, trust me, those cpu boys wont be able to stop talking about gpgpu.
Having said that, liike SS is saying, Physx is just a SW solution, that started out proprietary, and now needs help with or from both AMD via ATI, and Intel, I believe, in order for it to survive. They spend alot of effort and monies for TWIMTBP, and going to the devs etc, and even for their own Physx, but apparently, they havnt done nothing at all similar with either Intel or AMD.
As far as DX11 goes, its about time nVidia catches up to the standard, renaming instead of creating has held us all back in some ways

Yup, I agree with all the above. Still not gonna buy Ati though.

Sry Spath, but I fail to see how AMD offering a full computing platform is the same as nVidia's PhysX drumbeating. If you want to use an AMD GPU with an Intel CPU, your perfectly free to do so. If you want PhysX, you have no choice but to purchase nVidia.

Also, were no closer to photorealism than we were when DoomIII came out. Yes, the games look amazing, but Ive never thought I was watching a movie rather than playing a game. Trying to blame the eye candy for the lack of good games is BS, theres always room for graphical improvement.

What Im wondering is, nVidia will have to most likely move G200 to its mid-level cards, and even keep a few G90s for low end, as if they continue to make huge di , for middle and low end, itll keep cutting into margins big time, and eventually have an eroding effect, which both nVidia and ATI can expect with the onset of LRB, as LRB will have a certain portion of the market, and that market isnt any bigger before or after LRB comes

PhysX, CUDA, not supporting DX 10.1, rehashing old techs and renaming them and the "The Way it is Meant to be Played" program are all about NVIDIA's political game. PhysX is a marketing hype by NVIDIA and it might not live very long and it might never be a standard Physics engine in the future. Microsoft and ATI/AMD and Intel hasn't even approve PhysX yet and AMD also mentioned that Physics is actually dead until Microsoft's DirectX 11 comes out. Many NVIDIA video card users are blindfolding themselves into believing that PhysX is the future standard Physics engine while maybe it isn't at all.

(Maybe I am wrong, but that is my impression and my opinion)

Can I ask why ppl need to turn this thread into an Nvidia vs ATI 1?

My god, I can't post anything about Nvidia without starting something up, or ppl just trying to sell it down.

Although many points are valid, and I too don't like Physx, since havok works fine for me, but that doesn't mean that its cr*p.

it is what it is, a selling point, just like dx 10.1 is to ATI atm.

Oh and you can stop using the word rebranding for Nvidia only, seeing as the 4890 is a rebranded 4870 basically, 10% faster than the 4870, just like the 285 is 10% faster than the 280.

K
Stop fighting, i was hopping ppl would actually talk about DX 11 more than physX.

It would also help to not be biased, but to each his own.
I posted it in a rush, because I was stepping out, and thought that it could be a fair read either way.

And your the 1 that posts pics of don't feed the trolls right?

Nice quote.

I'm done in this thread, good day!

The rebranding you mention, and what eveyone else refers to are 2 different things. The G200s arent refered normally to the rebranding fiasco nVidia did, its the G8x-9x-1xx-2xx thing, so only you are really including the "real" G200s, no one else is

To me, tessellation will make a face look more like a face, itll help fine grain things become more realistic, and thats a good thing. At this point, no one knows the fps hit itll take to do good tessellation, but it does look promising.
Having the improvements across the board on fps in reards to AA like we see in DX10.1 games on ATI cards also looks good, as that will allow for greater eyecandy with the same current fps, if you will. Looks like around 15% on average, which Id assume the devs will use for more eyecandy anyhow. To me, having W7, OpenCL and DX11 will boost gaming alot, as well as other apps, for the gpu ram usage, MT etc

What exactly has physx to do with opencl?

PhysX has been ported to all the consoles for a few weeks now.

Havok is an ENGINE, not an API. Thats a very important distinction to make. To expand physX, all you need to do is extend the API, and no existing implementation will need to be affected. To expand an engine, you either need to modify it on a case by case basis, or re-write from scratch. This takes time, effort, and even games that use the same engine, after modifications, will use an entirly diffrent set of features.

Look at it this way: A person runs full speed into a guardrail. How do you get the person to trip over it? In PhysX, everything is done for you, and you wouldn't need to code a single event, reducing code overhead and maintainability. For Havok, you need to upgrade the engine to allow this ability, script it for every place where its a valid action, and apply it only to the objects you want to use this effect on.

See the diffrence?

It should also be noted, that because PhysX has yet to be used as the PRIMARY engine for in game physics (thanks in part to ATI's refusal to implement support), you only get a mismatch of features instead of full support (the same issue exists with DirectX10+). Thanks to its console support though, we're starting to hear about the first batch of games coded with PhysX, which should show exactly how far the API can go, and why animation-event engines are going the way of the dinosaur.

What I mean is, using DX10.1 allows for better fps. Having that, itll allow for more eyecandy, or better use of tessellation. Thats a new improved way, and nVidia doesnt have it til they catch up and get DX10.1 capable cards, as we see the difference of DX10.1 games being run on ATI cards show around a 15% increase when its used vs regular DX10, on a DX10.1 game.
So yes, the new fangled improvements will allow for more, but surely will be taken up