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July 16, 2009 5:38:03 PM


PC (ibuypower)

Intel Core i7 Configurator
Case ( PSI ArmorX Gaming Tower Case - Red )
Processor ( Intel® Core™ i7 920 Processor (4x 2.66GHz/8MB L3 Cache) )
Motherboard ( Asus P6T SE Intel X58 Chipset CrossFire Supported w/7.1 Sound, Triple-Channel DDR3, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, Triple PCI-E MB )
Memory ( 6 GB [2 GB X3] DDR3-1333 Triple Memory Module - Corsair Value or Major Brand )
Video Card ( ATI Radeon HD 4870 PCI-Express x16 - 512MB - Single Card )
Case Lighting ( None )
Power Supply ( 700 Watt -- Power Supply - SLI Ready )
Processor Cooling ( Certified CPU Fan and Heatsink )
Hard Drive ( 320 GB HARD DRIVE - [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 16M Cache] )
2nd Hard Drive ( None )
Optical Drive ( None )
2nd Optical Drive ( [** Special !!! ***] LG 22X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black )
External Hard Drives [USB 2.0/eSATA] ( None )
Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
Speaker System ( None )
Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )

948 USD

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MAC

One 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
6GB (3x2GB)
640GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB
One 18x SuperDrive
Apple Mighty Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (English) and User's Guide


3349 usd

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Which would be faster? And why such the HUGE price difference

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July 16, 2009 5:44:33 PM

if u could put windows on it go for Mac

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July 16, 2009 5:58:23 PM

^ fanboy.

@OP, those builds aren't exactly comparable

to do that you'd want a WDC black 640GB hdd, a pcp&c or corsair 500-550w PSU, and use an i7 950 instead of the 920.

and what is it for? because benchmarks show even when running windows on the mac, it would still suck at gaming, no matter what card they put in. However mac's are generally better at media editing.
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July 16, 2009 6:03:53 PM

salem80 said:
if u could put windows on it go for Mac ....so you can enjoy that smug superiority that comes with receiving a sleek looking piece of hardware as a trophy for completing your graduate course in financial sodomy...

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Fix'd :lol: 
July 16, 2009 6:12:47 PM

If you want more speed for less money, skipping the Mac is a no-brainer, unless you absolutely have to have OSX and light colored, partially-eaten-fruit-adorned hardware.
July 16, 2009 6:15:10 PM

That's Apple tax for you. I'm pretty sure that Xeon in the Mac isn't even a Nehalem based processor.
July 16, 2009 6:21:41 PM

^ it is, it was the first PC (Mac's are PC's too, just with Apple tax and Ready-Built Tax) to get the Xeon Nehalem processor.
July 16, 2009 6:23:58 PM

Macs aren't "PC's". they are computers, but not what is now known as a "personal computer"
July 16, 2009 6:31:53 PM


For the same price spent on the mac you could get:

Case ( CoolerMaster HAF 922 Mid Tower Gaming Case - Black )
Processor ( Intel® Core™ i7 975 Processor Extreme Edition (4x 3.33GHz/8MB L3 Cache) )
Motherboard ( Asus P6T Intel X58 Chipset CrossFire and SLI Supported w/7.1 Sound, Triple-Channel DDR3, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, 3-Way SLI PCI-E MB - 3-Way SLI )
Memory ( 6 GB [2 GB X3] DDR3-1333 Triple Memory Module - Corsair Value or Major Brand )
Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 PCI-Express x16 - 1792MB - SLI Mode (Dual Cards) )
Case Lighting ( None )
Power Supply ( 850 Watt -- Corsair CMPSU-850TX Power Supply - Quad SLI Ready )
Processor Cooling ( Asetek Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ 240mm Radiator )
Hard Drive ( 1.5 TB HARD DRIVE - [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 32M Cache] )
2nd Hard Drive ( 1.5 TB HARD DRIVE - [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 32M Cache] )
Optical Drive ( None )
2nd Optical Drive ( [5X Blu-Ray] Sony Optiarc BC-5100S BLU-RAY Reader & DVD±R/±RW Burner Combo Drive )
External Hard Drives [USB 2.0/eSATA] ( None )
Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
Speaker System ( None )
Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )

3240 USD


Would that destroy the MAC in almost any benchmark?
July 16, 2009 6:34:43 PM

Yes, that WOULD destroy that mac in any benchmark in existence.
July 16, 2009 6:36:33 PM

Especially with a quick and easy Overclock to 5.0 ghz (as the cooling is more than enough)

It would just be sad how the mac would get destroyed
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July 16, 2009 6:38:30 PM

why is a mac better for media editing? Link Please.
July 16, 2009 6:39:05 PM

I actually spent 1485 USD on a computer from ibuypower with the following stats:

Case (Coolermaster HAF 932 Full Tower Gaming Case)
Case Lighting (Cold Cathode Neon Light)
Processor (Intel® Core™ i7 920 Processor (4x 2.66GHz/8MB L3 Cache))
Processor Cooling (Asetek Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ 240mm Radiator)
Memory (6 GB [2 GB X3] DDR3-1333 Triple Memory Module)
Video Card (ATI Radeon HD 4890 PCI-Express x16 - 1GB) CrossFire Mode (Dual Cards)
Motherboard (Asus P6T SE Intel X58 Chipset CrossFire Supported w/7.1 Sound, Triple-Channel DDR3, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, Triple PCI-E MB)
Power Supply (850 Watt -- Corsair CMPSU-850TX Power Supply)
Sound Card (3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard)
Network Card (Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100))
Hard Drive (320 GB HARD DRIVE)
2nd Hard Drive (None)
Optical Drive (None)
2nd Optical Drive ([** Special !!! ***] LG 22X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive)
Flash Media Reader/Writer (None)

Even this would beat the Mac up for under HALF the price.
July 16, 2009 6:42:18 PM

Sorry i don't see the number fo mac i was think it was 349$ that's stupid idea ;)  ..
any why @polyzp go for i 7 ..
@Scotteq i know nothing about Macs that's why i said that .so why not :ange:  .

even i7 still costly for used one :ouch: 
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July 16, 2009 6:49:11 PM

salem80 said:
@Scotteq i know nothing about Macs that's why i said that .so why not :ange:  .



No Worries ;) 
July 16, 2009 8:26:10 PM

@ BadTrip, think software.
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July 16, 2009 9:13:20 PM

@BadTrip

The mac doesn't really have an advantage in editing. Back when Mac used power PC CPUs, it was the whole big endian over little endian situation. As Power PC was a big endian architecture it could preform certain operations related to image editing more efficiently. Of course, this advantage got mitigated when X86 chips increased thier IPC and clock speed faster than the desktop Power PC chips that IBM supplied Apple. Of course, one can hardly fault IBM as it doesn't make sense to devote a large number of resources in improving a chip when apple is your only customer and has a small market share. Thus Mac had to switch to X86 chips removing that theoretical advantage in media editing.

If you use CS4 the PC actually has a performance advantage. The short of the reason for that is that the Apple dev tools were too much of a pain for their small market share so Mac users are gonna have to wait for 64-bit and some Open GL optimizations that are already in the PC version of CS4.
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July 16, 2009 9:40:18 PM

JDV28 said:
Macs aren't "PC's". they are computers, but not what is now known as a "personal computer"


How is a Mac NOT a PC?
July 16, 2009 9:43:08 PM

JDV28 said:
Macs aren't "PC's". they are computers, but not what is now known as a "personal computer"


OK, lets play a little game...

Is it a computer? Check
Is it small enough to fit under your desk? Check

Guess what? ITS A PC!!!
July 16, 2009 9:46:14 PM

^macs dont use the traditional BIOS architecture which typically defines a "PC".
July 16, 2009 9:51:44 PM

"1) Short for personal computer or IBM PC. The first personal computer produced by IBM was called the PC, and increasingly the term PC came to mean IBM or IBM-compatible personal computers, to the exclusion of other types of personal computers, such as Macintoshes. "

--www.webopedia.com

This is the standard accepted definition of PC, which is different from personal computer. THis is the reason Apple can run the Mac vs PC commercials....
July 16, 2009 10:08:28 PM

Lmao bios has nothing to do with if its a personal computer or not.. hell if i was rich i could build a huge supercomputer, and claim it as my personal computer.. If it's your PERSONAL computer.. Guess what it becomes a pc. I know I know all those commercials with "pc vs mac" you kids have become dumbfounded. All pc ever stood for was exactly what it stood for PERSONAL COMPUTER! Nothing more nothing less. Granted there is a general census on what goes in that catagory, but none the less a pc is still just a pc.
July 16, 2009 10:46:46 PM

BadTrip said:
why is a mac better for media editing? Link Please.


they're better because those losers who spend their days surfing the web on their macbooks at their local starbucks say so.
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July 17, 2009 3:46:30 AM

guys... PC has come to mean, basically, any computer that was compatible with the IBM x86. IE, software written nearly 30 years ago, will still run on todays hardware.

MACS ARE PCS. they are x86 based. They werent always tho. MACS didnt used to be PCS because they were POWER PCS. they are no longer POWER PCS. They are now x86 based PCS.

learn something kiddies.
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July 17, 2009 3:56:20 AM

any Personal Computer is a PC. Vic20 was a Personal Computer since it was a computer for personal use.
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July 17, 2009 4:00:17 AM

nukemaster said:
any Personal Computer is a PC. Vic20 was a Personal Computer since it was a computer for personal use.


ya great "a personal computer is a computer thats personal." very clever... not really.

PC also specifically refers to x86 based personal computers.

dont argue semantics.
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July 17, 2009 4:02:05 AM

but i like to.


personal computer

Use personal computer in a Sentence
–noun
a microcomputer designed for individual use, as by a person in an office or at home or school, for such applications as word processing, data management, financial analysis, or computer games. Abbreviation: PC
Origin:
1975–80
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personal+compute...

personal computer

• noun a microcomputer designed for use by one person at a time.
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/personalcomputer?v...

A personal computer (PC) is any general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sales price make it useful for individuals, and which is intended to be operated directly by an end user, with no intervening computer operator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer

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July 17, 2009 4:20:46 AM

nukemaster said:
but i like to.


personal computer

Use personal computer in a Sentence
–noun
a microcomputer designed for individual use, as by a person in an office or at home or school, for such applications as word processing, data management, financial analysis, or computer games. Abbreviation: PC
Origin:
1975–80
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personal+compute...

personal computer

• noun a microcomputer designed for use by one person at a time.
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/personalcomputer?v...

A personal computer (PC) is any general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sales price make it useful for individuals, and which is intended to be operated directly by an end user, with no intervening computer operator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer


maybe you should read websites that you quote.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personal+compute...
"personal computer computer
(PC) A general-purpose single-user microcomputer designed to be operated by one person at a time.
This term and the concept has been successfully hijacked by IBM due to the huge market share of the IBM PC."

you will notice the word, "successfully."
July 17, 2009 7:43:03 AM

Mac pro is not aimed towards he mainstream

It is expensive, but your comparison is not completely fair, though, you are comparing a "premium" brand to a compy you have configured yourself.

A few hints. Never buy extra memory etc. from apple, they are notorious for charging obscene prices for extra stuff. Also, the Xeon costs ALOT more than then the i7 920.

Went to Dells homepage and configured their top of the line to similar specs of that of the mac pro:

My System Details

Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5472 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1600)

Genuine Windows Vista Business Bonus-Windows XP Professional downgrade

256MB PCIe x16 nVidia NVS 290, Dual Monitor DVI Capable

3 Year Limited Hardware Warranty with Next Business Day On-Site Service

4GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 800MHz, ECC (4 DIMMS)

16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ Dell Ed

500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™

Total: $3,325

Naturally, It would not allow me to configure an identical system (ex, better memory and GPU in the mac, better HD in the Dell.), but it's close enough to Show you that the prices are similar also for other manufacturers.


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July 17, 2009 2:06:40 PM

Xeon W3520 is the same/similar price as the i7 920 the last time I checked

the W3570 is the same/similar to the i7 975 extreme

and afaik since they are all D0, they are the same stuff, maybe the xeon or the extreme is better bined for OCing / stability over the 902 but that is not certain
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July 17, 2009 3:17:39 PM

I was being sarcastic.
July 23, 2009 1:43:21 AM

skittle said:
^macs dont use the traditional BIOS architecture which typically defines a "PC".


Well, YES they do. It's just hidden from the end user as they run UNIX on the Intel processor (same as BSD). They make to hard to run MAcOS X on a standard PC but it is being done.


I believe Apple knew they were opening up a floodgate and Phystar and others are fighting the trend to prove that it can be done. The hardware is the Same!

The difference is the operating system.
July 23, 2009 2:44:32 AM

machack said:
Well, YES they do. It's just hidden from the end user as they run UNIX on the Intel processor (same as BSD). They make to hard to run MAcOS X on a standard PC but it is being done.


I believe Apple knew they were opening up a floodgate and Phystar and others are fighting the trend to prove that it can be done. The hardware is the Same!

The difference is the operating system.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interf...

Hackintoshes use an EFI emulator.
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July 23, 2009 7:20:29 AM

Helloworld_98 said:
^ fanboy.

@OP, those builds aren't exactly comparable

to do that you'd want a WDC black 640GB hdd, a pcp&c or corsair 500-550w PSU, and use an i7 950 instead of the 920.

and what is it for? because benchmarks show even when running windows on the mac, it would still suck at gaming, no matter what card they put in. However mac's are generally better at media editing.


Even if you change out those two pieces of hardware the PCs price comes to about a third of the price of the Mac.

As for the OP, the difference is just what Apple sells. That you can pay more for the same thing.
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July 31, 2009 6:06:57 PM

I work in Saudi Arabia. Today (Friday - last day of my weekend), I went over to the U. S. Navy base in Bahrain. We were looking at computers. The desktops are primarily low to mid level HP's (around $800 +/- $200) and mid-range Apples ($1600 +/- $300).

One of the guys remarked that a bottom level Mac ($1000) did not have any specs on the price card. I say, "Hey, it's a Mac. It doesn't need specs. Someone will buy it."

A bunch of chuckles and one offended look.

About 20 years ago, one of the trade magazines did a survey of college students about computer use. By and large, liberal arts students used Macs and engineering students used PC compatibles. What a surprise.
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August 1, 2009 2:54:17 AM

BadTrip said:
why is a mac better for media editing? Link Please.


It's because of specialist Mac OS X only design applications such as Apple's Final Cut Pro suite that accounts for 50% of it's respective market share.

That and I like Apple's iWork.

However in my field of work, Macs are considered disgraceful purchases because they cannot operate in 64 bit mode in CS4 and thus are awfully slow on those megapixel canvases :) .

Then again I use Corel Painter 11.
August 3, 2009 6:23:11 AM

theholylancer said:
Xeon W3520 is the same/similar price as the i7 920 the last time I checked

the W3570 is the same/similar to the i7 975 extreme

and afaik since they are all D0, they are the same stuff, maybe the xeon or the extreme is better bined for OCing / stability over the 902 but that is not certain




http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


September 18, 2009 1:58:55 AM

Wow... This is an interesting thread. Not many Mac users here... I'll jump in for the fun ;-)

No offense but it's funny how PC people (and in this case I mean non-Mac users) spend hours and hours looking for the right screws, power supply, chip set, casing, cooling device, and whatever else they can think of, to make their computer work! Then they either go through the headache of trying to put it all together, or they get a PC geek to do it for them. Fine. Sometimes, it works, but often there are bugs... And then, if problems happen, beware... Who are you going to talk to? It's a customized computer, any or many of its components could cause the problems ! But of course, according to many PC users, there are no bugs in a PC ...

Yes, often, if not always, a Mac is more expensive, but it works out of the box, it's fast, it's not buggy, it's sleek (Oh yah, perhaps not important in the PC world) and you don't have to rack your brain to try to make it work, or to make it go fast. It just works.

I'm getting a headache just writing this email.

Come one guys, if you like your PC's, great. They are fine, but stop trashing Macs, just because they are more expensive. We all know that, but most pro audio applications run flawlessly on a Mac, again, right out of the box. No headaches, no questions asked.

If I need a Mac, I go to the Apple Store online, or to my Mac dealer, and I say I want a Mac Pro; only questions will be, how much RAM, how many and what type of drives, that's about it. Most probably, it'll be ready on the spot, or in a day, if the drive is a special order. And yes, I do agree, Mac RAM is expensive though Apple, but buy it from someone else!

Myself, i like the simple things in life.

Anyways, don't know about you, but my time is valuable, and by the time you've researched your chip set and cooling system, I'm either working with my Mac and making money, or sipping a nice glass of wine while contemplating a very stylish, functional, user friendly piece of gear!

cheers

r
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September 18, 2009 2:26:08 AM

Wow, dug up an old thread and supported macs. That's a pretty bad first post.

In seriousness though, I understand where you are coming from. Everybody is different. Personally I enjoy the setup and learning about the computer, rather than trusting some company to decide what is right for me. That said, a lot of people just need a computer for surfing the web and using word, for which a mac and its closed hardware nature is a plus.

The buggyness you mention in PCs is due to the fact they are made to be flexible. It is far easier to design and OS and drivers when you know what programs and hardware is going to be in the computer, which obviously is not the case for a PC. I know a lot of the software I use would definitely not run on a mac, and that is not even including games. That said, they definitely have their market (which is growing) and appear to make a pretty decent laptop (though the PC manufacturers have been improving).

W7 was aimed at cutting into apple's user friendlyness, so it will be interesting to see if apple continues its steady climb unimpeded.

Anyway, welcome to the forums (though don't be surprised if you get some negative comments).
September 18, 2009 6:26:48 AM

ibafyarmtl said:
Wow... This is an interesting thread. Not many Mac users here... I'll jump in for the fun ;-)

No offense but it's funny how PC people (and in this case I mean non-Mac users) spend hours and hours looking for the right screws, power supply, chip set, casing, cooling device, and whatever else they can think of, to make their computer work! Then they either go through the headache of trying to put it all together, or they get a PC geek to do it for them. Fine. Sometimes, it works, but often there are bugs... And then, if problems happen, beware... Who are you going to talk to? It's a customized computer, any or many of its components could cause the problems ! But of course, according to many PC users, there are no bugs in a PC ...

Yes, often, if not always, a Mac is more expensive, but it works out of the box, it's fast, it's not buggy, it's sleek (Oh yah, perhaps not important in the PC world) and you don't have to rack your brain to try to make it work, or to make it go fast. It just works.

I'm getting a headache just writing this email.

Come one guys, if you like your PC's, great. They are fine, but stop trashing Macs, just because they are more expensive. We all know that, but most pro audio applications run flawlessly on a Mac, again, right out of the box. No headaches, no questions asked.

If I need a Mac, I go to the Apple Store online, or to my Mac dealer, and I say I want a Mac Pro; only questions will be, how much RAM, how many and what type of drives, that's about it. Most probably, it'll be ready on the spot, or in a day, if the drive is a special order. And yes, I do agree, Mac RAM is expensive though Apple, but buy it from someone else!

Myself, i like the simple things in life.

Anyways, don't know about you, but my time is valuable, and by the time you've researched your chip set and cooling system, I'm either working with my Mac and making money, or sipping a nice glass of wine while contemplating a very stylish, functional, user friendly piece of gear!

cheers

r



I myself as a PC person, lol, find I don't look for hours on end for the right screw, PSU, chipsets, ram, etc, etc. First things first, When I go to spend the money for my custom parts, most screws and bolts are are included. I understand that there are different strokes for different folks, but several of your points are kinda flawed. I look a a Mac system or any name brand store bought computer and if you look past the high price and what quality of hardware your getting, or not getting in this case. The largest problem with Macs and store bought computers are lack of choice's. You say to stop trashing Macs, but given the price for what you get, it is very hard to not to trash them. I am sure they are a stable system, however, you bring up the point of how it just works out of the box. I build custom PC's and have even gone as far to take the time to build my own custom case designed for my needs and what I wanted out of it. I even went as far to build it out of Granite, lol.

You say that your time is money so that is why you just get the Mac and off you go to more productive things. Well I agree with you that time is money. In the avg. custom build I do, I might have a total of 8 hours into it, from putting all the hardware in, software installed and even going with custom water cooling, not a kit. I can put better Quality parts into my build then I can buy from Apple, It will out perform a highend Apple, and when I am all done paying for the parts and my 8 hours into my build, I might have around $1500-$2000 into it. So if a highend Mac is going for $3000-$4000 dollars, I just pocketed $1500-2000 dollars, for my 8 hours spent in time, to obtain a faster PC, one that I can upgrade the ram or anything else I see fit to upgrade down the road, without having to spend another $500- a grand with Apple to do it. No bugs to really speak of, I have never run into a build I have done yet, that It is buggy or has any real problems to speak of. I am not sure what kinda money your making, but when you divide $1500-$2000 by 8 hours of my time spent to put together a faster, and a stable system with lots of choice's for upgrades down the road that will make my custom build even faster down the road, I consider amount of money I just saved more then just chump change($187-$250 dollars a hour), and that change can buy alot of nice bottles of wine(or boxes of wine :lol: ) to sit back and sip on, all the while looking at this very custom, very stylish, functional, user friendly piece of gear! One plus I also find is that if something does go wrong, I don't rack my brain on who I will talk to to get it fixed, I just talk to myself and take care of the problem. :lol: 

Here a link to a video of my rig running, and I installed bug zappers in it so it is bug free :lol: 
September 18, 2009 10:03:13 AM

ibafyarmtl said:
Wow... This is an interesting thread. Not many Mac users here... I'll jump in for the fun ;-)

No offense but it's funny how PC people (and in this case I mean non-Mac users) spend hours and hours looking for the right screws, power supply, chip set, casing, cooling device, and whatever else they can think of, to make their computer work! Then they either go through the headache of trying to put it all together, or they get a PC geek to do it for them. Fine. Sometimes, it works, but often there are bugs... And then, if problems happen, beware... Who are you going to talk to? It's a customized computer, any or many of its components could cause the problems ! But of course, according to many PC users, there are no bugs in a PC ...

Yes, often, if not always, a Mac is more expensive, but it works out of the box, it's fast, it's not buggy, it's sleek (Oh yah, perhaps not important in the PC world) and you don't have to rack your brain to try to make it work, or to make it go fast. It just works.

I'm getting a headache just writing this email.

Come one guys, if you like your PC's, great. They are fine, but stop trashing Macs, just because they are more expensive. We all know that, but most pro audio applications run flawlessly on a Mac, again, right out of the box. No headaches, no questions asked.

If I need a Mac, I go to the Apple Store online, or to my Mac dealer, and I say I want a Mac Pro; only questions will be, how much RAM, how many and what type of drives, that's about it. Most probably, it'll be ready on the spot, or in a day, if the drive is a special order. And yes, I do agree, Mac RAM is expensive though Apple, but buy it from someone else!

Myself, i like the simple things in life.

Anyways, don't know about you, but my time is valuable, and by the time you've researched your chip set and cooling system, I'm either working with my Mac and making money, or sipping a nice glass of wine while contemplating a very stylish, functional, user friendly piece of gear!

cheers

r


Umm where do I start with this post? I was waiting for the "it just works" line from one of y'all...i can buy pc's anywhere in whichever config without a company telling me what to do and what i can or cannot run, some people don't have the time to build machines all the time and for those people there are options heck you can get an i5 rig with the 4850 off of newegg right now as we speak and bam! a gaming rig already made and configured for you....and since it runs windows it means i will never have to worry about compatibilty or options for customizations or any of that a mac wouldn't let me do that and by the way a pc can be made to look like whatever you want didnt you see that pc that was build to resemble wall-E here on tom's? so your point about looks is moot because pc's are not limited by one company's design like macs....truth is you are just an iSheep and as soon as something newer and shinier comes out u will be off burning your money again posting lame excuses like these to justify a financially pornographic purchase...it goes without saying: "A fool and his money are soon parted"
September 18, 2009 10:58:24 AM

rooseveltdon said:
Umm where do I start with this post? I was waiting for the "it just works" line from one of y'all...i can buy pc's anywhere in whichever config without a company telling me what to do and what i can or cannot run, some people don't have the time to build machines all the time and for those people there are options heck you can get an i5 rig with the 4850 off of newegg right now as we speak and bam! a gaming rig already made and configured for you....and since it runs windows it means i will never have to worry about compatibilty or options for customizations or any of that a mac wouldn't let me do that and by the way a pc can be made to look like whatever you want didnt you see that pc that was build to resemble wall-E here on tom's? so your point about looks is moot because pc's are not limited by one company's design like macs....truth is you are just an iSheep and as soon as something newer and shinier comes out u will be off burning your money again posting lame excuses like these to justify a financially pornographic purchase...it goes without saying: "A fool and his money are soon parted"



It's always funny to see how some people take others choices as personal insults.
You seem to take for granted that people buy computers only to play games - but I assure you, the people who do that are in minority.

Please, please, please - don't compare low-end to high-end. And please, please, please remember that high-end is not just about the specifications - at least not for laptops.
You get your Wall-E pc if you want, but for the record, macs can run Mac osx, windows, linux - you name it.

Learn to respect others opinions and understand that others do not have the same values than you - for quite alot of people, macs are worth their prices.
They are popular - deal with it. Really, why do you even care?
September 18, 2009 12:09:55 PM

jsc said:
I work in Saudi Arabia. Today (Friday - last day of my weekend), I went over to the U. S. Navy base in Bahrain. We were looking at computers. The desktops are primarily low to mid level HP's (around $800 +/- $200) and mid-range Apples ($1600 +/- $300).

One of the guys remarked that a bottom level Mac ($1000) did not have any specs on the price card. I say, "Hey, it's a Mac. It doesn't need specs. Someone will buy it."

A bunch of chuckles and one offended look.

About 20 years ago, one of the trade magazines did a survey of college students about computer use. By and large, liberal arts students used Macs and engineering students used PC compatibles. What a surprise.


Well said sir :) .
September 18, 2009 5:15:01 PM

cobot said:
Learn to respect others opinions and understand that others do not have the same values than you


I have no problem showing respect for someone, but I cannot show respect for bad decisions making, ie: buying a mac.

cobot said:
for quite alot of people, macs are worth their prices.


But we want to know why!? Why, do you feel that a mac is worth it's price? I will honestly give kudos to the first person that admits to us "because it's shiny".
September 18, 2009 5:41:30 PM

cobot said:
It's always funny to see how some people take others choices as personal insults.
You seem to take for granted that people buy computers only to play games - but I assure you, the people who do that are in minority.

Please, please, please - don't compare low-end to high-end. And please, please, please remember that high-end is not just about the specifications - at least not for laptops.
You get your Wall-E pc if you want, but for the record, macs can run Mac osx, windows, linux - you name it.

Learn to respect others opinions and understand that others do not have the same values than you - for quite alot of people, macs are worth their prices.
They are popular - deal with it. Really, why do you even care?



Lol and pc's cant? I am not even a major gamer myself but i detest nonsense replies,i would have more respect for her opinion if she simply admits it, i loike macs cuz they are shiny, i have actually owned a mac book air once for minor work i traded it away months later for a better product and while i admire apple's design and the stabilty of OSX to a degree i will never agree that it is worth the price premium, over 2000 dollars for a mac pro with a single xeon at 2.6 ghx and a gt120 with a single hdd 640gb is simply a crime and if someonecomes at me giving me lines like "well it is worth it because it "it just works" without actually giving me a plausiblejustification will be called out on their ignorance moreover apple fan boys are much worse the entire apple advertising campaign is centered around insulting pc's and those who buy them as if macs are better something that those of us who build and work with computers know is completely false. I repsect everyone's opinion but i call it as i see it and if i see a fallacy i will point it out
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September 18, 2009 5:41:56 PM

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