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May 4, 2009 6:02:08 PM

i am running an amd athalon 300 x2 4 gig ocz ram asus m2n32 pro mobo razer barracuda sound card and lately a xfx 4870

when i had an 8800gtx i got around 250-300 fps in cod4,now with the 4870 i only get 25fps,i have updated all the drivers and am pulling my hair out now,the psu is 600 watts and i just cant figure out what it can be
my friend thinks it may be mobo,cpu or psu on the way out ,but i would like to know if anyone has had the same issues
any help greatly appreciated
regards wobbly

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a c 197 U Graphics card
May 4, 2009 6:54:26 PM

Of course, you did uninstall the Nvidia drivers and you have both PCI-E power cables connected to the card?
May 4, 2009 9:02:10 PM

doh! bad me

Mainboard : Asus M2N32 WS Professional
Chipset : nVidia nForce 590 SLI
Processor : AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ @ 3000 MHz
Physical Memory : 4096 MB (2 x 2048 DDR2-SDRAM )
Video Card : ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
Hard Disk : WDC (150 GB)
Hard Disk : ST336032 (360 GB)
Monitor Type : Samsung SyncMaster - 23 inches
Operating System : Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.01.2600 Service Pack 3
DirectX : Version 9.0c (March 2009)

and as for 300FPS i ran this with most settings turned low or off except model detail (caused some lodscalerigid error) and low res
i have updated all the drivers to the latest versions and removed the old ones
what happened previously the 8800gtx (asus) started doing some weird stuff,a lot of lines and pixels started appearing over the screen,so i put a cheapo card in that worked fine,so i then assumed(maybe wrongly) the gfx was NFG and bought the 4870
which brings me to my present position with all gfx turned low and 1024 by 768 i only get between 15-30 FPS which is unplayable in cod4 matches
I am at my wits end, any advice is welcome
cheers wobbly
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May 4, 2009 9:03:13 PM

coozie7 said:
Of course, you did uninstall the Nvidia drivers and you have both PCI-E power cables connected to the card?


yes both the connectors are plugged in to the card
cheers
wobbly
a b U Graphics card
May 4, 2009 9:12:35 PM

LOw res is CPU bound, the difference in performance at that resolutoin between a 8800 and 4870 should be next to none, you would have been better off gettign a faster CPU if you want to game that low. Also you can't compare fps at different resolutions.. which it seesm to me you are..

Sounds like a driver problem as well.. make sure to run driver sweaper (or uninstall tehm all by hand if you are sure you won't miss anything).. I hate saying it, but it is generally a good idea to reinstall windows when changing brands like that. (obviously you don't have to.. and I woudlnt.. but you know.. when problems arize best to start over :D  )
May 4, 2009 9:36:56 PM

to tell you the truth daedalus ,if the economy was better i would have properly upgraded, I play competitive cod4 and generally speaking you need 250fps to make certain jumps etc
i kinda realised that the 4870 wasn't an upgrade per se,but it cost about half of what i paid for the 8800gtx when new, if i could get 125fps i would be happy

I'm not too clever on the driver side of things but i used a driver alert programme and updated all the drivers
and removed the old ones
if a windows re install sounds like the next natural progression i will go for it
thanks for the advice so far
cheers wobbs :) 
May 4, 2009 9:46:47 PM

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That card wants to run at least 1680x1050 and all settings on high and you should get around 100fps.

If you set it to low and 1024x768, your cpu is doing all the work.



tried high settings too m8,nothing seems to get me over 25 ish FPS
its all very laggy
another weird thing is that my ping seems higher then before
cheers for help
wobbs
May 4, 2009 10:17:44 PM

Do you have something called Catalyst Control Center installed somewhere in there?
Just to be safe, just remove all the drivers and go clean.

start-> control panel-> add/remove programs -> uninstall EVERYTHING nvidia related AND uninstall Catalyst Control Center (CCC)
Reinstall the drivers/CCC at
http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=xp/ra...

May 4, 2009 10:20:13 PM

CPU bottleneck, its weak
May 5, 2009 2:52:33 AM

what type of power supply do you have?
May 5, 2009 3:27:16 AM

Is this during online play or while in single player mode?

Have you tried swapping back to the 8800GTX to see if your performance levels are back to pace?

An AMD 6000+ x2 and 4870 are more than enough to run that game at acceptable frames.

My rig handles CoD4 on a 4200+ x2/4870 1GB @ 1680x1050 everything maxed, with silky smooth frames.
a b U Graphics card
May 5, 2009 12:07:00 PM

Quote:
That card wants to run at least 1680x1050 and all settings on high and you should get around 100fps.

If you set it to low and 1024x768, your cpu is doing all the work.


So...you are arguing that running a lower resolution results in MORE work for the CPU???

Please; at a higher res, the GPU is doing more work COMPARITIVLY then the CPU, but the CPU is doing more work at 1680x1250 then at 1024x768 or 800x600.

His CPU shouldn't be a bottleneck for a single 4870 anyway. Make sure the drivers are installed properly, power connectors in card, etc. Run PCMark and list scores, etc.
a b U Graphics card
May 5, 2009 12:30:58 PM

download gpu-z and check if you are running your pci-e @ 16x.

heres the link www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/.

and simply uninstalling the nvidia drivers via the control panel dont always work.

use driversweeper (google it), run it on safe mode.

if all else fails, the card must be busted or your nvidia motherboard is screwing things up.
a b U Graphics card
May 5, 2009 4:47:41 PM

How many frames can a 60Hz moniter display per second?

Exactly. :p 
May 5, 2009 10:37:21 PM

its the way the game plays,with higher fps that matters
anyway did the stuff mentioned above and the thing seems to work now,think the re install of xp prolly got rid of a lot of crap that shouldnt have been there
anyway thanks people for all your help
if any of you need any landscaping or paving help i moderate on a site called pavingexpert dot com , not trying to spam ,but it is similarly useful for driveways and such in the way this site is for pc hardware,i have helped over 3000 ppl there and appreciate your help here :-)
thanks
wobbly
May 5, 2009 10:38:32 PM

forgot to mention getting around 11300 on vantage bench and 200fps with cod 4 on low gfx
thanks again people
wobbs
May 5, 2009 10:50:41 PM

lol. u are not a pro player if u were u would not say u 'need 200+fps to make certain jumps' and u would also not play with such a crap resolution.
a b U Graphics card
May 5, 2009 11:02:51 PM

lutonlagerlout said:
generally speaking you need 250fps to make certain jumps etc
i kinda realised that the 4870 wasn't an upgrade per se,but it cost about half of what i paid for the 8800gtx when new, if i could get 125fps i would be happy


250 fps? lawls...
Most LCD monitors don't render past 60fps. The human eye can't really tell the difference beyond that point either.

gamerk316 said:
How many frames can a 60Hz moniter display per second?
Exactly. :p 


:D 

werxen said:
lol. u are not a pro player if u were u would not say u 'need 200+fps to make certain jumps' and u would also not play with such a crap resolution.

Exactly what I was thinking...
May 5, 2009 11:16:03 PM

errr i know that the human eye cant see it but the game runs better at higher fps, I came for help and i got it thanks
well thanks to the people that made a positive contribution anyway
regards wobbly
a b U Graphics card
May 5, 2009 11:52:36 PM

The game runs the same whether you're getting 30 fps or 300 fps.
Frame rates affect what is being rendered on the monitor, not the gameplay or ingame mechanics.
a b U Graphics card
May 6, 2009 4:22:49 AM

The game runs the same whether you're getting 30 fps or 300 fps.
Frame rates affect what is being rendered on the monitor, not the gameplay or ingame mechanics. said:
The game runs the same whether you're getting 30 fps or 300 fps.
Frame rates affect what is being rendered on the monitor, not the gameplay or ingame mechanics.


correct to some extent. but @ 30 fps things are a little hard to aim at with your mouse compared to a very fluid 60fps+ (first person shooter games) especially when you're playing competitively.
the old counterstrke is a testament to this. when xp came out, the refresh rate messed up my gameplay compared to win98. theres a a world difference of getting 99fps constantly compared to variable 60fps+. refreshlock did help a little.
May 6, 2009 7:08:40 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
The game runs the same whether you're getting 30 fps or 300 fps.
Frame rates affect what is being rendered on the monitor, not the gameplay or ingame mechanics.

Quake 3? yeah exactly...you would be right when it comes to most games(everyone knows it to)...albeit cod4 is a quake engine title...

http://forums.enemydown.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6573

http://www.tek-9.org/forum/Call_of_Duty_4-13/125_vs_250...

http://cod4boards.com/cod4-pc/97110-60-fps.html

The guy stated the obvious that can be found via google yet everyone still has to suggest the human eye can't see this or that and nothing is different at this fps and that...apparently most THF users can't read or research... :sarcastic: 


OP if your still posting mind explaining who you play for and where exactly? just kinda interested in getting some lan partys going in my area or visiting a few


Edit: It would seem the cod4 engine is a modified q3 engine....something i certainly didn't know...if this doesn't prove my post even farther than google quake 3 fps jump there are tons of graphs on how it works....quake 3 operates exactly like cod4...or close to it


Edit2: Great post sharken...considering this game can be maxed out on even an amd 3000+ series and run at the high enough fps to jump and this guy only plays cod4 in competition GREAT POST....i despise you...
May 6, 2009 7:32:09 AM

http://www.funender.com/quake/articles/fps.html

Quote:


So how does the framerate affect player physics?





Basically, your position is calculated every time a frame is rendered by Quake.
So if you are using a higher framerate, your position will be calcualted more times per second.




In Quake 3, the standard gravitational field strength is 800 units/second2.
Also, as there is no air in Quake, there is no air resistance to affect your movement.
When you press your jump button - whether you are stood still, running, whatever - you are instantly given a vertical velocity of 270 units/second upwards.
This initial velocity is fixed and never changes.
So, when you jump there are 2 factors involved: 1) Your 270 units/second of upwards velocity and 2) The 800 units/second2 of deceleration caused by gravity.




As Quake has to calculate your position for every frame, it calculates the effect that gravity is having on you every frame.
However, every time it calculates your new position, direction and speed, it has to remember that the Quake world is discrete.
It is all based around a very fine grid matrix where the smallest division is called a unit.
Therefore, when it is calcualting players' positions and velocities etc., they cannot be half-way between one unit and another unit.
They have to snap exactly to an exact position, to a particular unit. There is no in-between.
But the biggest effect is due to the velocity also being rounded to an integer, in order to save bandwidth, which gives large framerate-dependent rounding errors.




This means there is a rounding error in the results of Quake's calculations and it is these rounding errors which causes the differences in movement - most noticeably when jumping.




Indeed, many players say they feel like they are 'floating' when they first try one of the magic framerates that has a large effect, such as 125fps.




However there is another side to the story.
Just as some framerates can appear to reduce the effect of gravity, others can actually appear to increase the effect of gravity, which can serve as a disadvantage through loss of height.




a b U Graphics card
May 6, 2009 12:09:58 PM

lutonlagerlout said:
forgot to mention getting around 11300 on vantage bench and 200fps with cod 4 on low gfx
thanks again people
wobbs

Irrelevent, your moniter can not physically display that many frames. Essentially, your GPU is drawing 140 frames that are not being displayed.

Of course, thats why I still use my 85Hz moniter for competition; looks like crap using VGA, but thats the only way you can display more then 60 frames per second, as thats the most the screen is updated for almost all LCD's.

The 200FPS is nothing but a placebo effect.
May 6, 2009 5:19:28 PM

thanks to rewindlabs for explaining concisely what i was trying to say ,i can take anyone of you guys here onto a promod cb server and show you exactly what jumps you can make with 250 fps that you cant make with 125 fps,this is the reason that edom and esl have put a limit on framrates
FYI anyone playing cod4 with 333fps makes no sound when walking,very handy when people are listening for you
I play with fuzion gaming and we will be attending i37 in stoneleigh park this summer,that in the uk
cheers
wobbs
May 6, 2009 7:01:52 PM

No problem dude...the two above still managed to not even read my post ...

I read up on it a while back whilst skimming...pretty crazy how the q3 engine works...i expect the next argument in the this thread to pertain on how being able to jump farther and get into certain spots quicker gives no advantage over graphics or this etc....

Yes cod4 can be very odd at certain fps's...you can make jumps at 125 you can't at 250 and vice versa...


So are these tournaments you go to..the officials very aware of how it works? do they try to limit everyones fps?

TBH if i was in charge of the tourney all fps's would be set at 30FPS max...possibly 60 depending on the systems running the game and trying to keep the fps fluctuations low....keep it fair as well...

Best of luck at your tourneys
May 6, 2009 8:21:34 PM

its a weird game,but once you get used to it can be fun
on strike for instance on the attack side in SD iif you run close to the wall you gain an extra 2 M in to the statue also if you jump off the ramp and 1 of your teammates deagles you in the back you gain an extra 2 M all these small increments add up to an improved attack position
played cod WAW for a bit but found the gameplay way too slow
cheers guys
wobbs
May 6, 2009 9:39:56 PM

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FYI anyone playing cod4 with 333fps makes no sound when walking,very handy when people are listening for you


ROFL. Now thats funny. Silence is a perk you can choose. I'll take you on any day dude with my 90fps. You can jump all day right into your grave.

Internet boasting with no backup what so ever FTW!.....annoying
May 6, 2009 10:54:39 PM

Quote:
Quote:
FYI anyone playing cod4 with 333fps makes no sound when walking,very handy when people are listening for you


ROFL. Now thats funny. Silence is a perk you can choose. I'll take you on any day dude with my 90fps. You can jump all day right into your grave.



thats what i like about the internet,fat kids get to act tough ;) 



wobbs
;) 
May 6, 2009 11:28:42 PM

Sounds like a slogan
a b U Graphics card
May 7, 2009 4:35:01 AM

you guys should battle it out @ killhouse. post a screenshot of the scores here please.
a b U Graphics card
May 7, 2009 5:01:16 AM

rewindlabs said:
Quake 3? yeah exactly...you would be right when it comes to most games(everyone knows it to)...albeit cod4 is a quake engine title...

http://forums.enemydown.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6573

http://www.tek-9.org/forum/Call_of_Duty_4-13/125_vs_250...

http://cod4boards.com/cod4-pc/97110-60-fps.html

The guy stated the obvious that can be found via google yet everyone still has to suggest the human eye can't see this or that and nothing is different at this fps and that...apparently most THF users can't read or research... :sarcastic: 


Wow...so Quake3 has a retarded engine that gives you a gameplay physics advantage if you have more FPS?
And COD4 has the same piece of sh*t engine as Quake3? Gawddangs...

Well thanks for that interesting article.


As for the OP, I don't think exploits like those are allowed in competitions anyways, so he should just turn up to graphics.
May 7, 2009 5:21:57 PM

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Internet boasting? I'm trying to prove a point that you dont need 300fps to win matches. Again, who wants to play COD4 competitively at 1024x768 all low settings and no aa/af?? Get real.
I think COD4 has the best engine out there, great graphics and not cpu/gpu intensive at all. Anyone with a 8800GT or better can play on high settings.

Quote:
thats what i like about the internet,fat kids get to act tough ;) 


I guess if you consider a 6' 1" , 210lb, 36 year old, a fat kid.......whatever makes your e-penis bigger right?

Get off the internet old fat man (jk) i'm not either! yay lets start a club! 6' 1" 130-135lb! :kaola: 

But anyways im not here to defend anyone on how oh you need 300fps to win a match just that it gives you a huge advantage on any map with a jump in area to gain higher ground etc...and that it of course exists...

Really if you play your cards right it won't matter where the hell he jumps...but if he and a few other guys get into position say this was a team game of course they can have a scissor formation of gun fire and turn the score board around...same goes for if he was running solo
May 7, 2009 7:00:50 PM

Quote:
Internet boasting? I'm trying to prove a point that you dont need 300fps to win matches. Again, who wants to play COD4 competitively at 1024x768 all low settings and no aa/af?? Get real.
I think COD4 has the best engine out there, great graphics and not cpu/gpu intensive at all. Anyone with a 8800GT or better can play on high settings.

Quote:
thats what i like about the internet,fat kids get to act tough ;) 


I guess if you consider a 6' 1" , 210lb, 36 year old, a fat kid.......whatever makes your e-penis bigger right?



5' 11", 16 and a half stone 41 yr old (think thats 232lb) bricklayer

looks like I am the oldest and fattest :bounce: 

I dont know a lot about this stuff ,and to be honest its been an education,The fps thing is part of the game, i play with this squad and they aint bad
http://clanbase.ggl.com/claninfo.php?cid=1182729

all the best :hello: 
a b U Graphics card
May 7, 2009 7:19:51 PM

I'm curious, do they let you bring your own rig to officail tournaments?

Because of all the wierd fps effects in the strange engine (strange is one word for it.. I would call it broken.. but thats becasue I do physcis.. and basing physics on the FPS is just silly!!) any tournaments I've seen all run on a rig of the exact same specs, the only thing you bring is a keyboard, mouse, and headset.. the guys running the tournament then setup those for you, and all fps is caped a bit higher than the refresh rate of the monitor. 100fps from what i gathered..

That or the tournament was all on PS3's... which sems more common than on the PC around where I live...lol
May 7, 2009 8:26:32 PM

http://iseries.multiplay.co.uk/news/i36/
£5000 first prize aint bad,you have to bring your own rig, keyboard,monitor,and mouse, of course you have to win it and with teams like reason-gaming there and dignitas its hard for everyone
its a good few days for the team though,we are fielding 2 teams at i37
cheers wobbs
May 7, 2009 10:09:21 PM

DAMN!

I live in us Tennessee and there are no tourneys around here...not very many local pc gamers either...need to travel out to a tournament soon :sweat: 
May 7, 2009 10:14:55 PM

its a big place tennessee , but a lot of it is wilderness and stuff
jack daniels FTW!
wobbs :) 
May 8, 2009 12:25:51 AM

lutonlagerlout said:
its a big place tennessee , but a lot of it is wilderness and stuff
jack daniels FTW!
wobbs :) 

I know that all to well :na: 

*loads glock and ak...*

About the only thing i like about living here is shooting my many guns of many calibers and the lakes...other the that BOOO!
a b U Graphics card
May 8, 2009 12:43:56 AM

rewindlabs said:
I know that all to well :na: 

*loads glock and ak...*

About the only thing i like about living here is shooting my many guns of many calibers and the lakes...other the that BOOO!


fishin? not really any good lakes/rivers or other good fishing spots here on the east coast...
May 8, 2009 4:52:16 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
fishin? not really any good lakes/rivers or other good fishing spots here on the east coast...

No a turbo power honda jetski that rolls along at 65mph.....its my anti drug :love:  such a rush
a b U Graphics card
May 8, 2009 5:02:28 AM

rewindlabs said:
No a turbo power honda jetski that rolls along at 65mph.....its my anti drug :love:  such a rush


nice, that'll do
May 13, 2009 8:56:36 PM

you know why i'm so fat?
every time i visit your sister she bakes me a cake
now jog on
:-)
May 13, 2009 9:03:38 PM

Can i has cake?

Or is there more going on then just visiting...and cake :sweat: 
!