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April 14, 2009 9:48:44 PM

Hello guys,

I was wondering if you could critique these 2 builds I have.
I did not include a case because I have a case from an old build from 4years ago.

I want this computer to be able to run WoW: WotLK in the new Ultra-graphics mode with no problems (70+FPS).

Will either build do this?


WOTLK

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ASUS RAMPAGE FORMULA LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard


ASUS EAH4870 DK TOP/HTDI/512MD5 Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400

OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P16004GK

Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10000 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive (bare drive)


SAMSUNG 2033SW High Glossy Black 20" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor -


CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply -



Subtotal: ~$1100


or



ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail


XFX HD-485X-YDFC Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply


Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400


mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996587

Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10000 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive (bare drive)


Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retai

~$880

Thanks for the help!
April 14, 2009 10:13:54 PM

Go with the 2nd build, except stay with the E8400. Lose the velociraptor and go with the WD 640GB hard drive for less then 1/2 the cost.
April 14, 2009 10:31:04 PM

Yeah hd 4850+e8x00 is good value. indeed screw raptors. Id also save on memory costs and psu cost by getting like kingston value and earthwatts but suit yourself.
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April 14, 2009 10:32:39 PM

Both would maul WoW. So i suppose the cheaper one would be the way to go.
April 14, 2009 10:37:37 PM

The raptor in your build is a waste of money. Take this E7400 and move up your fsb to (10.5 x 333) and run it at 3.5 @ 1333 fsb and your good to go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <=== more pics, specs, and customer reviews of the mobo used in this build.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99
OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-43-UD3L $79.99 after rebate Free Ground Shipping
GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L Core 2 Quad/ Intel P43/ DDR2/ A&GbE/ ATX Motherboard

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=E7400 $106.75
Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 2.8GHz 1066MHz 3M LGA775 CPU, OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $39.99 ($29.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate) Free Shipping*
Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler W/TX-2 - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $189.99 ($159.99 after $30.00 Mail-In Rebate)
MSI N260GTX-T2D896-OCv2 GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
OC Edition overclocked at 655MHz

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $40.99
G.SKILL HK 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $74.99 Free Shipping*
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $169.99 ($149.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate) Free Shipping*
ASUS VW224U Black 22" 2ms(GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ HDCP Support 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 5000:1) Built in Speakers - Retail

Total: $772.68 *not including shipping | $712.68 w/rebates

*One other thing. I noticed you didn't have a burner in your build. If your planning on using an old EIDE one, ditch that idea and get a SATA model. There's no reason for putting this kind of money in a new build and screwing it up with an EIDE component. Try this one down below.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $24.99 Free Shipping
LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM
April 14, 2009 10:53:07 PM

Hello both build are allright but I don't think your money is being spent well on those check this out, you should get more than 70+ FPS on most games

Just to show you you can get AMD phenom II 720 with DDR3 and the 4850x2

ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1. AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor Model HDZ720WFGIBOX - Retail
2. SAPPHIRE 100270SR Radeon HD 4850 X2 2GB 512-bit (256-bit x 2) GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Combo Price: $394.98

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$74.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ 3GB (3 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3X1333LV3GK - Retail
$54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail
$99.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $764.94

Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 2500:1 - Retail
$159.99

Total with monitor: $924.93

$44.93 over your budget

Here is an alternative to the above and you can get DDR2 with the appropraite motherboard and it's $15's below your $880 total

ASUS M4A78 Plus AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
$54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $704.94

With monitor Total: 864.93
April 14, 2009 11:07:17 PM

Why_Me said:
Not a bad build sassan :)  But I would ditch that 4850 x2. That gpu is a dog and over priced not to mention it's a heat producing power hog.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/01/23/sa...

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...


Thanks, well I was thinking of GTA4 type of games where they actually use three cores and I thought he might want to play those games besides WOW

Actually the prices are lower now http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and it beats One GTX 260 and the GTX 280.

For his budget it should be good, I think.

I will leave it up for him/her to decide

Also this article from toms hardware talks about the 4850X2 2GB

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-gtx,...
April 14, 2009 11:13:40 PM

sassan said:
Thanks, well I was thinking of GTA4 type of games where they actually use three cores and I thought he might want to play those games besides WOW

Actually the prices are lower now http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and it beats One GTX 260 and the GTX 280.

For his budget it should be good, I think.

I will leave it up for him/her to decide

Also this article from toms hardware talks about the 4850X2 2GB

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-gtx,...


$100 more for that 4850 x2? Not great value for the money...especially seeing how it takes a more expensive psu to push that card.
It barely beats the 260 and that's a stock 260 not an over clocked one. But if I was going to go with a vid card in that price range...I would get one that is cheaper, consumes less power, produces less heat, and gets better fps. I don't see that OC 260 lagging in too many games with that screen resolution. But I do like this gtx 275 down below. :) 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $259.99
EVGA 896-P3-1170-AR GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Free Call of Duty: World at War w/ purchase, limited offer
April 14, 2009 11:31:26 PM

OK how does this seem?

Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler W/TX-2
$39.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$74.99

LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH22NS30
$24.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400
$119.99

ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
$129.99

XFX HD-485X-YDFC Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
$139.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
$99.99

mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996587
$49.99


Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
$159.99

Subtotal: $839.91


Is there anywhere I can scale back and still be safe? I dont want to buy all of these things and then find out the comp cant handle whats thrown at it :(  :pfff:  :( 
April 14, 2009 11:36:34 PM

Those are solid choices. You could probably save a little by going with a different GPU manufacturer, but XFX does have a great warranty. You could also save a little money by going with the Corsair 550VX and this RAM:

G.SKILL HK 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $40.99
April 14, 2009 11:37:50 PM

^ good solid build, anyone can nitpick an item or 2, but it's a solid build and very good for high end WoW. Good upgrade paths and you just need to overclock the E7400 a bit for very good performance.
April 14, 2009 11:39:02 PM

I guess at this point I would be splitting hairs huh?

Well on to the next step! Saving the money :/  thanks a lot everyone.
April 14, 2009 11:40:18 PM

dirtmountain said:
^ good solid build, anyone can nitpick an item or 2, but it's a solid build and very good for high end WoW. Good upgrade paths and you just need to overclock the E7400 a bit for very good performance.

Sorry if it looked like I was nitpicking. The OP just asked how he could "scale back and still be safe". I thought my suggestions did just that.
April 14, 2009 11:41:13 PM

Ty dirt.

After reading up on OC forums I decided that I will be Overclocking this PC.

As that one guy said, since im building it myself I should overclock!
April 14, 2009 11:53:53 PM

thefeint said:
OK how does this seem?

Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler W/TX-2
$39.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$74.99

LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH22NS30
$24.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400
$119.99

ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
$129.99

XFX HD-485X-YDFC Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
$139.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
$99.99

mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996587
$49.99


Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
$159.99

Subtotal: $839.91


Is there anywhere I can scale back and still be safe? I dont want to buy all of these things and then find out the comp cant handle whats thrown at it :(  :pfff:  :( 


The 4850 is a dog, and when Crossfired it's not much of an improvement. So what you doing is paying more money for a mobo and psu, and then on top of it buying a crappy vid card in hopes of running two crappy vid cards (Crossfired) in the future.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/sapphire... <===This is the results of the 4850 when Crossfired.


Now if you went with a P43 mobo like that Gigabyte I linked , went with a cheaper yet decent 550w psu and then took the money you saved and put it down on one decent vid card like a 4870 1 gig or even better yet a gtx 260 your way ahead of the game.
April 15, 2009 12:16:38 AM

ah! I see. Let's see how much i can save that way!

edit: With the mobo and psu and a Sapphire 4870 its down to 800!!

are sapphire cards reputable?
April 15, 2009 12:56:09 AM

You didn't shortstuff, I just posted mine before yours came up. You have good suggestions as you always do. I might go with a Giga MB, a different PSU etc. , but basically he has a solid build. Now it's just time for some refinements with deals/combos and stuff.
April 15, 2009 1:22:15 AM

thefeint said:
OK how does this seem?

Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler W/TX-2
$39.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
$74.99

LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH22NS30
$24.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400
$119.99

ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
$129.99

XFX HD-485X-YDFC Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card
$139.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
$99.99

mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996587
$49.99


Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
$159.99

Subtotal: $839.91


Is there anywhere I can scale back and still be safe? I dont want to buy all of these things and then find out the comp cant handle whats thrown at it :(  :pfff:  :( 

I's suggest the Xigmatek Dark Knight over the Sunbeam CCTF mainly due to the fact that the Xigmatek was a lot easier for me to install. The sunbeam uses these finnicky metal tabs to secure in place. Also, the fan on it (even at 70%) was loud as hell.
April 15, 2009 5:35:53 AM

g3force said:
I's suggest the Xigmatek Dark Knight over the Sunbeam CCTF mainly due to the fact that the Xigmatek was a lot easier for me to install. The sunbeam uses these finnicky metal tabs to secure in place. Also, the fan on it (even at 70%) was loud as hell.

+1 for the Xigmatek Dark Knight
April 15, 2009 5:58:02 AM

Well take things into consideration if all you are playing is WOW A 4850 would be fine, at your point a 4870 would be overkill, no to mention add money to your power bill with higher power consumption. I play on 1280x1024 and my 4850 maxes most games, Also
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
this power supply is very good quality and bang for you buck
April 15, 2009 7:06:21 AM

I'm questioning some of your guy's choices on monitors. For one, I never suggest buying a monitor online, you can't tell if you're getting a monitor that fits YOUR eyes. Either way, I wouldn't suggest you go with 'low-end' Asus or Acer models. Their budget line are just that, you know? In my suggestion for the OP, I say go with a Phenom II X3 720BE/Xigmatek DK, Biostar 790GX, BFG 550w LS, BFG GTX 260 Core 216, WD6401AALS, G.Skill DDR2 800 Pi Black, and a 22" LG Monitor (This is a great choice, but even still, take my advice with a grain of salt)
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...

A Core 2 Duo build leaves no upgrade path outside of picking up a cheap Core 2 Quad later on. We've gone over the advantages of the Triple Core and the upgrade path of AM2+.

Thoughts?
April 16, 2009 2:43:50 AM

effel said:
I'm questioning some of your guy's choices on monitors. For one, I never suggest buying a monitor online, you can't tell if you're getting a monitor that fits YOUR eyes. Either way, I wouldn't suggest you go with 'low-end' Asus or Acer models. Their budget line are just that, you know? In my suggestion for the OP, I say go with a Phenom II X3 720BE/Xigmatek DK, Biostar 790GX, BFG 550w LS, BFG GTX 260 Core 216, WD6401AALS, G.Skill DDR2 800 Pi Black, and a 22" LG Monitor (This is a great choice, but even still, take my advice with a grain of salt)
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...

A Core 2 Duo build leaves no upgrade path outside of picking up a cheap Core 2 Quad later on. We've gone over the advantages of the Triple Core and the upgrade path of AM2+.

Thoughts?

+1 to what you said, though it would be great if you linked some specific products to give the OP a general price of the components.
A beefier PSU may also be needed if you inferred the crossfire motherboard version.
April 25, 2009 5:46:45 AM

my build cost me $670 with shipping from newegg.com, but it is an AMD system.

Phenom 7750
GigaByte GA-EP45-UD3P
WD Caviar Black 500 (640 is now the same price)
XFX GTS 250
Corsair 550W
G-skill 1066 (2x2 gig)
Xigmatek 92mm Rifle Cpu cooler
Antec 300 case

!