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April 17, 2009 9:15:42 PM

Hi,

This is my AM3 Build...MY Question is What can I use from my Old Box as listed below? My Main concern is that the PSU might not be enough & is it right for the job?
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Old Rig
Motherboard APG: GA-8IPE1000 Pro-G Bios F1...ATX - i865PE
Max Bus Speed 800 Mhz...UDMA100, SATA
CPU: Intel P4 - 3.0G (HT)
Type of chip : Intel 865PE...Socket 478
Ram : Corsair 2048MB PC3200 DDR 400Mhz (2 x 1024Mb)
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro ddr 128mb AGP
Note: I tested a HD3650 512mb ddr2, in this rig and I had Major Bottleneck.
3DMark: 3,051 vs 15,000 avg
Game: World of Warcraft...avg. fps 40 - 60...>15fps in Dalaran City Ouch!
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OS: Windows XP PRO [I own it]
PSU: Antec Neopower 480w
Sound Blaster Live! 24-bit
Hard Drive: Western Digital WD1200JB 7200rpm (120.03 Gb)
Pioneer DVD-Rom DVD-116 [CD-Rom drive]
Pioneer DVD-Rw DVR-106D [CD-Rom drive]
Floppy Drive: Samsung 3.5" format removeable media
Addatronics 6820A Full Size Case
FANS: 2x80mm Front, 1x80mm Door & 1x120mm Rear Out
----------------------
Hyundai IQ L90D+ D-SUB [19" Monitor]

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New AM3 Gaming Rig

GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AM3 DDR3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #:GA-MA790XT-UD4P Item #:N82E16813128378 [$139.99] less mir $15

AMD Phenom II X4 810 2.6GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 4MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail [$174.99]

OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK - Retail [$94.99] was $139.99...4Gb is all I really need.

Sapphire Radeon HD 3870 Video Card - 512MB GDDR4, PCI Express 2.0, CrossFireX Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, Full 1080p Support [$79.99] less mir $10

Note: I consider this a Low End Gaming Rig, because of the Low Price Components.

More about : am3 gaming rig

a c 113 B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2009 9:31:15 PM

Not really a good gaming rig there, and there are some larger problems as well.

First up:
You have listed a DDR3 kit designed for Intel i7 builds. It's a waste in an AMD build where you need dual channel, not tri-channel.

Next:
The 810 is not a great buy for you. World of Warcraft is not coded to make use of 4 cores, and the 810 is rather slow.

You can re-use most of your other parts, but the Antec Neo is not real high on my list of PSUs. You can get buy with it I think.

Once you shift around your build you can get a bit better video card.

List incomming....


OK this is easy:

Intel E8400 -This will blow away your CPU choice. Most games will benefit more from the faster dual core than a slower quad.
Gigabyte P43 board - A solid performer that won't break the bank
G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
HIS 4850 A well-cooled card that should work well given your case.

If you want to overclock you can certainly do so, otherwise this build is complete, and I think will cost a bit less and give around 20% better performance in games ;) 

a c 136 B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2009 10:01:48 PM

I agree with Proximon that your cpu choice is not the best gaming choice .

If you want to go with AM3 then the 720 BE is the better option . Its also cheaper and maybe a little faster in games than an e8400 .

You could reuse your case , dvd drives , and floppy drive .

Possibly the sound blaster card too , but it wont be an improvement over the on board sound on your new motherboard

I would continue to use XP for now . Vista is being replaced in a few months anyway o now is not really a good time to upgrade your OS

4 gig of RAM is plenty . A 2 x 2 gig kit is ideal .
Despite the common advice to use more than that amount tomshardware saw ZERO performance gains on an i7/ vista 64 bit system when they went from 3 gig to 6 and then 12 gig .
Windows , games and applications just dont use all that RAM
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-module-upgra...

Related resources
April 18, 2009 12:18:04 AM

if you can spare the money get an phenom II 920 or 940. im waiting for the 955 myself. wait another 2 weeks and the am3's and am2+ might drop again i think since the 955 phenom ii is coming out. but yea u can save your drives, fan's, e.t.c. if you want a new looking case just strip it and repaint it. and anything over 4gb of ram is pretty much useless at the moment like outlander said. and you can get a ati 4670 for 60 bucks on neweeg which would be better. 400 bucks and you can have a pretty decent rig.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
April 18, 2009 2:51:52 AM

k, i see you guys suggesting NON-am3 stuff... but is there something wrong with going am3 atm? i see it as somewhat future-proofing... you won't have to upgrade motherboard in the foreseeable future.

btw, 920 or 940 won't work, they're am2+ i think.

go with the 720BE, it'll be very good.
a c 113 B Homebuilt system
April 18, 2009 6:01:52 AM

Why not AM3?

I have no major objection to a 720BE. The prices get closer than you might think because to match the E8400 you have to get a 790GX board and 1066 RAM.

The OP is not really looking for an upgrade path. He's looking for a build that will last him as long as his last build did. That's what most people actually end up doing. they build a computer and are satisfied with it for around 4 years.

No one is upgrading their socket 939 boards today, they are replacing them, along with the RAM and CPU.

So, although I have promoted upgrade paths in the past, I now no longer give a damn :)  Except for those very low budget builds that really will need improvement quickly.

Once you get the AM3 notion out of there, 720BE is still a fine choice for a CPU. It will likely perform just under the E8400 in WoW, but then both are more than enough.

April 18, 2009 7:37:06 AM

well am3 is in it's infancy, and the 8xx series chipsets come out in Q4 this year, and the cpu's designed for those chipsets might get bottlenecked by 7xx chipsets.

also get a crossfire board and a 4830, those things are amazing for what you pay in crossfire, equal to a GTX 285 for $190
April 18, 2009 8:38:01 AM

Hi,

WoW thanks for the Great Suggestions...Proximon I spent the better part of the evening reading your Guides they are "Awesome" !

Guide to Choosing Parts.

My personal big list of parts.

I did research a 775 Dual core Build, this is what I put together before the AM3 build:
Quote:
Gigabyte EP43-UD3L Motherboard CPU Bundle - Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 2.80GHz Retail Processor [$199.99]

Sapphire Radeon HD 4830 Video Card - 512MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0 x16, CrossFireX Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, HDMI Support, VGA Support [$89.99] after $15.00 mir

OCZ Fatal1ty 4GB Dual Channel PC8500 DDR2 1066MHz (2x2048MB) [$49.99]

Now that is a Low $354.97 Budget Build...BUT does it work ?
April 18, 2009 8:51:15 AM

no the am3 build will beat the 775 build you put up, but swap the 3870 for a 4830.
a c 113 B Homebuilt system
April 18, 2009 10:29:23 AM

That seems to be a good budget build, although I don't think you need that RAM. let's see what I could do with a 720BE that would beat it...

X3 720BE and Sapphire 4830 combo - $197 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

OCZ 1066 Reapers - $41 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The AMD CPU does better with 1066 RAM than Intel does, hence the more expensive RAM. When comparing the two CPUs you have to figure this in.

Gigabyte 790X board - $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total - $348 after MIR
Now, that DOES beat your build, at the same price.


For that price, Intel build:

E8400 and UD3R combo - $253 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Corsair 800 mhz RAM - $30 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sapphire 4830 - $80 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total - $363 after MIR

If you had any use for that third core, I would say the 720 would be the way to go.

Otherwise, it's a bit up in the air. The P45 board I put into this second build is a step up from the P43 you listed.... not a big deal but the price was right and it's very high quality.


April 18, 2009 10:31:50 AM

Proximon said:
Why not AM3?

I have no major objection to a 720BE. The prices get closer than you might think because to match the E8400 you have to get a 790GX board and 1066 RAM.

The OP is not really looking for an upgrade path. He's looking for a build that will last him as long as his last build did. That's what most people actually end up doing. they build a computer and are satisfied with it for around 4 years.

No one is upgrading their socket 939 boards today, they are replacing them, along with the RAM and CPU.

So, although I have promoted upgrade paths in the past, I now no longer give a damn :)  Except for those very low budget builds that really will need improvement quickly.

Once you get the AM3 notion out of there, 720BE is still a fine choice for a CPU. It will likely perform just under the E8400 in WoW, but then both are more than enough.


Patch 3.1, which just came out for WoW, added support for up to 3 cores. Just FYI. ;) 

Also, if you're doing an AM3 build... wait for Monday. That's when the new Phenom II 955 comes out for AM3. :D 
April 18, 2009 10:33:06 AM

hope it's under $250, then there will be i7 price cuts :) 
a c 113 B Homebuilt system
April 18, 2009 10:33:51 AM

EQPlayer said:
Patch 3.1, which just came out for WoW, added support for up to 3 cores. Just FYI. ;) 

Also, if you're doing an AM3 build... wait for Monday. That's when the new Phenom II 955 comes out for AM3. :D 



Well, there ya go ;)  Good tips. I have an account but haven't logged in or read the patch notes :p 
April 18, 2009 10:37:09 AM

Helloworld_98 said:
hope it's under $250, then there will be i7 price cuts :) 


It will probably be around $250, especially considering the recent drops in price on the 940 (currently at $169 on Newegg with a coupon code), but I doubt we'll see i7 cuts, because I really don't think the 955 will do anything to contend the i7's dominance.
April 18, 2009 11:48:15 AM

well it does come extremely close in some benchmarks and beats the i7 940 in others and the 965 in games at higher resolutions.

if they put the price down to even $240 and X58 chipset motherboards down to $170 then it will feature in a lot more builds and therefore more profit for intel.
April 18, 2009 7:50:58 PM

EQPlayer said:
It will probably be around $250, especially considering the recent drops in price on the 940 (currently at $169 on Newegg with a coupon code), but I doubt we'll see i7 cuts, because I really don't think the 955 will do anything to contend the i7's dominance.


Hi,

FYI: AMD Phenom II 955 Benchmarks <...TH Post.
a c 113 B Homebuilt system
April 18, 2009 7:54:09 PM

Yep marginal gains if any, but in all fairness you do have to allow some time for new hardware. They might not have the drivers worked out completely.
April 18, 2009 7:59:37 PM

the i7 still wins in video encoding though and thats the 2nd most cpu heavy application a consumer is likely to use.

April 18, 2009 8:09:48 PM

million3g said:
if you can spare the money get an phenom II 920 or 940. im waiting for the 955 myself. wait another 2 weeks and the am3's and am2+ might drop again i think since the 955 phenom ii is coming out. but yea u can save your drives, fan's, e.t.c. if you want a new looking case just strip it and repaint it. and anything over 4gb of ram is pretty much useless at the moment like outlander said. and you can get a ati 4670 for 60 bucks on neweeg which would be better. 400 bucks and you can have a pretty decent rig.

not neccisarily, the 3870 is much better than a 4670. look at the benchmarks. the 4670 only has an edge when AA is on, other than that though, 3870 is far supierior.
April 18, 2009 8:16:05 PM

yes but the 4830 beats the 3870 for a few bucks more.
April 18, 2009 11:25:39 PM

Hi, [I like to say Hi :love:  ]

Let's Choose my New VC Now Please while the prices are Low !!!

#1 Graphics Card Hierarchy Chart

Note: I use Tigerdirect because they have the MFG Specifications Listed.

a c 113 B Homebuilt system
April 18, 2009 11:48:15 PM

The 4830 will be faster and should consume less power. What those specs do not include is the manufacturing process. 3870 is an old GPU based on the larger process.
April 19, 2009 12:58:20 AM

Helloworld_98 said:
yes but the 4830 beats the 3870 for a few bucks more.

the 4830 is gonna be discontinued though unfortunately. i dont know how stable of a purchase that would be since its gonna be replaced by the 4770 or 4750 or whatever it is...
April 20, 2009 7:43:44 PM

Proximon said:
The 4830 will be faster and should consume less power. What those specs do not include is the manufacturing process. 3870 is an old GPU based on the larger process.

Hi, [This is Order week]

I too like the HD4830...however I had a problem finding Info, Most charts did Not include this VC.

The HD4850 was on All the Charts & looked Great...for $50.00 more OUCH !!!

Like you said Proximon this is a 3-4 year system "a throwaway" Question is in 3-4 Years will I want to do a upgrade @ which time the AM3 will be Obsolete beyond all measure ?

Now for the Big News:
Quote:
http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=3545

Up first is the Phenom II X4 940 that is now priced at $168.99 with free shipping from ZipZoomfly. That's a terrific deal that's obviously influenced by AMD's preparations for their new 955/945 series, due out shortly. This a $35 premium over the 720BE, but considering the number of video/audio applications we utilize along with the constant need to have every messaging, social networking, and browser window open, a fourth core and increased speed is worth it for us.

http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-phenom-ii-x4-955-32ghz-a...

AMD is brewing up some new processors. The first is to be released next week and is the Phenom II X4 955 processor (April 23rd). This part should be a 125W TDP processor with a frequency of 3.2GHz, it will be the fastest chip in AMD's lineup.

From what we heard is that the processor will be a Black Edition CPU which means unlocked. Pricing wise in the US expect roughly $300 for the CPU.
a c 113 B Homebuilt system
April 20, 2009 9:03:46 PM

Yeah saw that blog post :) 

I hadn't got to the 955 info yet, but I knew it was soon. If it's just slightly faster than the 940, it's going to make for some very confused times as we try to sort out who needs which CPU.

Generally most sockets have a lifetime of around 3 years. At least according to what we have seen lately. People who purchased socket 939 motherboards 4 years ago were disappointed to find that all the faster CPUs for that socket had been removed from the retail channels by the time they were ready to upgrade.

Socket 775 has been around for a while, but the earlier motherboards aren't compatible with the later CPUs.
April 21, 2009 1:02:09 AM

Hi,

Is this a Great Deal, IF you Can get Phenom II X4 940 for $168.99 ???

This would be my AM3 Build :love: 
Quote:
http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=3545

Up first is the Phenom II X4 940 that is now priced at $168.99 with free shipping from ZipZoomfly. That's a terrific deal that's obviously influenced by AMD's preparations for their new 955/945 series, due out shortly. This a $35 premium over the 720BE, but considering the number of video/audio applications we utilize along with the constant need to have every messaging, social networking, and browser window open, a fourth core and increased speed is worth it for us.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Black Edition Processor Model HDZ940XCGIBOX - Retail
Original Price: $214.99
You Save: $25.00
$189.99...>Free Shipping*

& This Mobo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Gigabyte MA790XT-UD4P Motherboard - AMD 790X, Socket AM3, ATX, Audio, CrossFireX, PCI Express 2.0, Gigabit LAN, USB 2.0, SATA, RAID
PRICE: $124.99...> After a $15 MIR

& This Memory:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
PRICE: $59.99

& This VC:

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=AT-4850GB
Sapphire Radeon HD4850 1GB DDR3 Dual DVI / TVO PCI-Express Graphics Card
PRICE $125.99 [After MIR]
April 21, 2009 7:16:07 AM

Hi,

Thank you Proximon, you saved me Again from a costly Mi$take. I must be reading the Spec's wrong.

Question #1: Is this a DDR2 or DDR3 build, I wanted a DDR3 system?

Question #2: The GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P is Only $6.00 cheaper, the XT appears to be a better Board.

Question #3: is this AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Quad Core Processor HDZ940XCGIBOX - 3.00GHz, 6MB Cache, 1800MHz (3600 MT/s) FSB, Deneb, Quad-Core, Retail, Socket AM2+, Unlocked Multiplier, Processor with Fan a good buy at that price for My new Build or am I Again choosing the wrong components for a Gaming Rig since I do not Multi Task while in a Game ?

I spent the weekend reading & learning, yet I make Mi$takes :( 

Edit: The AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Quad Core Processor is DDR2...Does this mean I Need ALL DDR2 Components for a better running system...or do I need to buy a AMD Phenom II DDR3 ???

Quote:
I guess this answers my Question about the CPU: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:55 am

Question: From what I heard, the AM3 CPUs are coming out a month after the first two CPUs. This leaves me asking, why not just make them all AM3?

Answer: I do believe that they were having issues with the DDR3 memory controllers on the first batches? Therefore releasing AM2+ processors to buy enough time to get DDR3 working correctly.

Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
April 21, 2009 6:52:01 PM

the phenom II 940 will not work in a AM3 board. it will not work with DDR3 ram.

however, if you bought the 955/720/(some more that im missing), you could put those in an AM3 and DDR3 board.

just curious... why Do you Capitalize random Words? it Seems quite Strange.
a c 113 B Homebuilt system
April 21, 2009 10:37:42 PM

Hehe.

It's confusing I know. Let's see if this helps:

AMD CPUs have memory controllers built in. It's not the motherboard that determines which type of memory to use, it's the CPU. You still have to plug in the memory to the motherboard though, so in a way the motherboard AND CPU have to agree on RAM. The NEWEST CPUs from AMD can run either DDR2 or DDR3. Those are more expensive or don't work as well as the Phenom II 940 however.

Intel LGA 775 type CPUs do not have an onboard memory controller. The motherboard controlls the memory. So, any CPU can be used with any memory. There is no reason to use anything other than DDR2 800Mhz on these however, because there is no performance gain from DDR3 or faster DDR2.

Intel LGA 1366 type CPUs (i7) have an onboard memory controller similar to AMD. They ONLY use DDR3 and prefer to have it in sets of 3.

There is also no real difference between DDR2 and DDR3 for builds, so you don't actually NEED DDR3.

"AMD gets DDR3 but doesn't need it" from Anandtech.
April 22, 2009 1:14:55 AM

Hi,

Thank you All for your patience with a geek wannabe.

Proximon your replies have been very Precise and very helpful, it is my lack of understanding what I'm reading on the Spec sheets that's the problem. But I am learning from my Mi$takes!

" Pace thank you. In answer to your question "why Do you Capitalize random Words? it Seems quite Strange."

I like to Cap certain words for Emphasis 1. special stress laid upon, or importance attached to<..[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emphasis] & I also Cap the first word in a sentance this is proper English composition. I'm Old school not Stupid. I also like to say Hi, it is a greeting :love: 

PS: "i" is a word and should be a Cap "I" where ever it is in a sentence. "

Edit: Fix the links & remove Quote box.
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
April 22, 2009 1:23:27 AM

but the thing is, if you want "future-resistance", you should go am3.... right? so you'd only have to upgrade CPU and possibly ram later on.

yes you don't NEED AM3 yet, but if you want future-resistance, you should go the am3 route -my claim

please someone verify/call me an idiot.. im trying to see if this statement is true
Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
April 22, 2009 1:25:18 AM

Jim937 said:
Hi,

Thank you All for your patience with a geek wannabe.

Proximon your replies have been very Precise and very helpful, it is my lack of understanding what I'm reading on the Spec sheets that's the problem. But I am learning from my Mi$takes!
Quote:
Pace thank you. In answer to your question "why Do you Capitalize random Words? it Seems quite Strange."

I like to Cap certain words for Emphasis 1. special stress laid upon, or importance attached to<..[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emphasis] & I also Cap the first word in a sentance this is proper English composition. I'm Old school not Stupid. I also like to say Hi, it is a greeting :love: 

PS: "i" is a word and should be a Cap "I" where ever it is in a sentence.

Edit: Fix the links.


oh, in no way am i calling you stupid... it just seems that "proper english composition" dictates that you don't emphasize random words. also, you are using the quotes incorrectly, as you are quoting everything... including your own replies :p 
April 27, 2009 1:31:14 AM

Proximon said:
That seems to be a good budget build, although I don't think you need that RAM. let's see what I could do with a 720BE that would beat it...

X3 720BE and Sapphire 4830 combo - $197 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

OCZ 1066 Reapers - $41 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The AMD CPU does better with 1066 RAM than Intel does, hence the more expensive RAM. When comparing the two CPUs you have to figure this in.

Gigabyte 790X board - $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total - $348 after MIR
Now, that DOES beat your build, at the same price.


For that price, Intel build:

E8400 and UD3R combo - $253 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Corsair 800 mhz RAM - $30 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sapphire 4830 - $80 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total - $363 after MIR

If you had any use for that third core, I would say the 720 would be the way to go.

Otherwise, it's a bit up in the air. The P45 board I put into this second build is a step up from the P43 you listed.... not a big deal but the price was right and it's very high quality.


Hi,

Hope all is well my friends :love:  I did as much research as I could, the Pll 955 looks good but not worth $100 more than the 720BE. The Pll 720BE build above is Testing very close to the Pll 955. It's all still very confusing as far as AMD is concerned.

April MIRs will soon expire & we will have May MIRs to look at, I think MIRs are a sure thing in todays market, money is very tight making it a buyers market.

Proximon, I have equal interest in both builds quoted above, the prices have remained the same give or take a few dollars. Please review them again & make a final recommendation Please I trust your judgement it has been accurate thoughout this entire thread. Do not base your opinion on any games, since I change games often & Futureproofing is not a concern based on the fact that all the other hardware in this computer I'm keeping is 4+ years old...I hope that makes sense.
a c 113 B Homebuilt system
April 27, 2009 6:33:12 AM

Since WoW is now using up to 4 cores, it seems like the 3-core 720 is going to be a good choice. The 790X board is a crossfire board as well, so you could add a second 4830 down the road if you feel the need.

I say the AMD build is more likely for the games you are going to play most.
April 27, 2009 9:11:03 PM

Hi,

Thought I would share this INFO that helped me understand my confusion with AMD :love: 

------------------------------------
EZ Guide to AMD Socket AM3
: http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=1358...

SUMMARY - Phenom II CPU's for Sockets AM2, AM2+, AM3

We know there are 2 versions of Phenom II (Ph2)

in January 2009 > AM2+ Ph2 cpu - AMD's Upgrade Path to Existing Customers w Sok AM2+ & Sok AM2 mobos.
in February 2009 > AM3 Ph2 cpu - The CPU of AMD's Sok AM3 mobos, that also works w Sok AM2+ & Sok AM2 mobos.

We know they are NOT just the same thing.

The AM2+ Ph2 cpu will NEVER WORK IN Sok AM3 mobos.
ONLY an AM3 Ph2 cpu will EVER WORK in Sok AM3 mobos.

Either the AM2+ Ph2 cpu or AM3 Ph2 cpu will work in Sok AM2+.
Either the AM2+ Ph2 cpu or AM3 Ph2 cpu will work in AM2. (maybe - not recommended) (see mobo maker)

The only Ph2 cpu that will work in Sok AM3 is AM3 Ph2 cpu.


So this item, AM2+ Ph2, that releases first and very soon is a unique item.

It is NOT an AM3 Ph2 cpu.
It WILL NOT work in future Socket AM3 mobos.
ONLY an AM3 Ph2 cpu will EVER WORK in Sok AM3 mobos.
It WILL work in Socket AM2+ mobos (and some AM2)
It is available months ahead of equivalent clock speed AM3 cpu's
It is available as locked Ph2 920 @ 2.8 GHz
It is available as unlocked Ph2 940 @ 3.0 GHz Black Edition


RE: OLDER SOCKET AM2 MOBOS:

The idea of putting an AM3 Ph2 cpu or an AM2+ Ph2 cpu into an end-of-life Sok AM2 mobo, might not be best due to potential limitations of 2 generations older or slower specs:

specs dual powerplanes are only found in Sok AM2+ and AM3 mobos - single plane in AM2
specs HT3 support is only available through Sok AM2+ and AM3 mobos - slower Hypertransport HT1 supported through Sok AM2 mobos
specs RAM: AM2+ =DDR2 800,1066; AM3 =DDR3 1366; AM2 =DDR2 667 (800 max)

Additionally the Sok AM2 upgrade path to either AM2+ or AM3 cpu's is (perhaps) not recommended - possibly cripples the new cpu performance; may introduce electrical incompatibilities re lack of dual power planes and memory utilization;

- but it seems AVAILABLE as an upgrade path IF IT IS SUPPORTED by a new BIOS update from mobo maker.
ALSO SEE THIS THREAD: viewtopic.php?f=52&t=136077#p152838
RE: OLDER SOCKET AM2 MOBOS
a c 113 B Homebuilt system
April 27, 2009 9:18:30 PM

Yes, although I knew most of that it's good to have another source... especially when they seem to know what they are talking about ;) 
May 30, 2009 4:29:15 PM

Hi, :hello: 

All comments welcomed & appreciated as always, your a great group thanks for the Help!

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: June 2009
SYSTEM USAGE: Gaming (MMO's / RPG...World of Warcraft, Starcraft2 & Diablo3) Surfing the internet.
BUDGET RANGE: $500.00
OVERCLOCKING: No
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No


PARTS PREFERENCES:

AMD Phenom II X4 quad core 955 (HDZ955FBGIBOX) 3.2ghz black edition.....Price: $245.00

GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P amd 790X chipset ATX......Price: $124.99 after $15.00 MIR

CRUCIAL ballistix BL2KIT25664BA1336 4gb kit (2gb x 2) match pair pc3-10600 1333mhz 6-6-6-20...Price: $64.99

TOTAL $ 434.98


PARTS NOT REQUIRED:

OS: Windows XP PRO [I own it]

OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail [still in the box from newegg, 5/18/2009 ] Price: $69.99 after $30.00 MIR

MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC V2 GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail [still in the box from newegg, 5/25/2009 ] Price: $59.99 after $20.00 MIR
This was Not my first choice for a VC but the Price was right...I will prob get a new one in 2 years.

These parts are 4 to 7 years old, from my Alienware Area 51
Sound Blaster Live! 24-bit
Hard Drive: Western Digital WD1200JB 7200rpm (120 Gb)
Pioneer DVD-Rom DVD-116
Pioneer DVD-Rw DVR-106D
Floppy Drive: Samsung 3.5"
Addatronics 6820A Full Size Case
FANS: 2x80mm Front, 1x80mm Door & 1x120mm Rear Out

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: This should be good for the next 4-5 years...Thanks for all your Help !!! :love: 

ps: Windows 7 for my birthday Nov 30th :wahoo: 
a b B Homebuilt system
May 30, 2009 4:45:15 PM

Hmm since no SLI/CF doable for far cheaper and understand u reusing your old HDD? If non SATA perhaps get a new one hehe There is an awesome 955BE combo deal with some sweet DDR3 1600

May 30, 2009 9:44:12 PM

1944144,39,306881 said:
Hmm since no SLI/CF doable for far cheaper and understand u reusing your old HDD? If non SATA perhaps get a new one hehe There is an awesome 955BE combo deal with some sweet DDR3 1600

Hi,

There were two Combos that interested me the "Pll 955 + GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD" this is nice Mobo but for $15 dollars more I think I'm getting a much better board with the XT.

I did look at that Ram Combo you suggested but was scared away by this "Memory Standard DDR3 1666(O.C.) /1333/1066 MHz" I read a review where a builder said he had to make changes in the BIOS & Voltage in order for it to work @1600...this I can't do...I'm looking to boot first then tweak, besides I have WinXP Pro @ 32bits
June 18, 2009 12:20:14 PM

Hi, :hello: 

First let me thank all of you for all your time and helpful replies to this post "AM3 Gaming Rig" :love: 

This computer is as much yours as it is mine. Your brains my Money. :) 

CASE: Not sure Antec 300 or 900 COOLER MASTER RC-690 any suggestions ?

CPU: AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE Callisto 3.1GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 80W Dual-Core
Processor - Retail

MoBo: GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AM3 DDR3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Support AM3 Socket Phenom II DDR3 CPU Only

Mem: OCZ OCZ3P13334GK 4gb kit (2gb x 2) 1333mhz 7-7-7-20 240-pin ddr3 dimm w/heat spreader

PSU: OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS
Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

VC: MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC V2 GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI
Supported Video Card - Retail OC Edition overclocked to 660Mhz
This was Not my first choice for a VC but the Price was right...I can get a new one in 2 years.

HD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" - OEM

DVDROM: Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM
16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD/CD Rewritable Drive - OEM

MONITOR: Hyundai 19" 1280x1024 max res 75mhz max

OS: Windows XP PRO 32bit sp3
Windows 7 for my 68th birthday this Nov 30th

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: This should be good for the next 4-5 years or my 75th birthday...Thanks for all your Help !!!
ps: Photo's to follow :p 
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