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I've heard the 6 cores are going to be sold as extremes so unless you have thousands in your pocket, keep your expectations low
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Who knows which socket they will be using?
Invest on an i7 for now.
It will comfortably last for at least 3 years.
Invest on an i7 for now.
It will comfortably last for at least 3 years.
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The fastest i5 2.93 quad will be about the speed of the current i7-940. Both costing $560 or so.
The next upgrade to the 1366 i7 socket is supposed to be a 32nm 6 way cpu. I have heard nothing about it's price. It does not make sense to me that it will be a $999 only extreme part. My guess is that it may start at something like a 6 way at 2.8 for $300-$400 and go on up to an extreme at $999.
The next upgrade to the 1366 i7 socket is supposed to be a 32nm 6 way cpu. I have heard nothing about it's price. It does not make sense to me that it will be a $999 only extreme part. My guess is that it may start at something like a 6 way at 2.8 for $300-$400 and go on up to an extreme at $999.
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The i5 @2.66 will be $196 in 1000 unit trays. Somewhat less than the i7-920 of today.
For a new build, who would buy today's i7-920 for $289 when they can get a i5 @2.80 for the same price.
You have to expect that the 1366 socket will be able to offer some meaningful increase in performance that the i5 top end can not do. Currently the i7-950 would be just a bit better, and the 975 is very high priced. 90% of the 1366 sales are for the 920 cpu. I doubt that Intel will abandon that part of the market. Because of the 32nm manufacturing process, I think they can produce the 6 core chips for the same cost as today's 4 core chips. That tells me that they can price the new chips as low as they want to maximize sales and revenue.
Would you jump on a 6 core cpu @ 2.8 for $350?
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yeah they will be VERY expensive at least a grand
some think it will use the 1366 socket but no one really knows. i would just get the i7 now and wait 2-3 years to get a 6 core until they are a little more affordable cuz they will come out around mid 2010
some think it will use the 1366 socket but no one really knows. i would just get the i7 now and wait 2-3 years to get a 6 core until they are a little more affordable cuz they will come out around mid 2010
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^ well a new updated version of X58 with some new features is rumoured to be released soon. one of the features is probably PCIe 3.0.
the hexa-cores will use the 1366 socket, as will the octo-cores which come out a few quarters later.
oh and expect to pay at least $600 for the Hexa-core, and more like $1499 for the octo-core.
the hexa-cores will use the 1366 socket, as will the octo-cores which come out a few quarters later.
oh and expect to pay at least $600 for the Hexa-core, and more like $1499 for the octo-core.
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Most Likely you're an AMD fan who bought the 955
Very Unlikely
Can you send me a link, I haven't heard of this before
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Remember the i7 920 can overclock quite a bit and it put Intel in a bad place because the 940 and the 965/975s weren't selling
if Intel are dicks, they'll put some overclocking limitation to the 6 core i7 if it was made avaliable for around $350+
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Well since the Hexa-core is rumoured to be an i7 , I'd have a guess that the desktop part will be 3.46GHz and the Xeon part will be 3.33GHz since it continues from the W55xx line.
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From what I have scoured online, the earliest anyone will be seeing a motherboard with pci-e 3.0 is during 2010, likely the second half. The last pci-e 3.0 related news release from PCI SIG I can find was from August 2007, exactly 2 years ago which stated 2010 and beyond. The link to that 2 yr old press release is here...
http://www.pcisig.com/news_room/PCIe3BitRateAnnounce_FINAL.pdf
It is anyones guess as to how accurate the time line is from that original press release. Considering it has been 2 years already, there can't be much more of a wait. We'll see USB 3.0 before we see PCI-E 3.0, that is for sure.
-- MaSoP
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The price is determined by two factors:
1) The cost of manufacture.
2) The price the consumer is willing to pay.
re:1)
The cost of manufacture will not be that high. Current 45nm technology can produce 4 core 2.66 i5 cpu's that sell at $196 in industrial lots.
32nm technology can put that same cpu in half the amount of silicon. If you extrapolate that, a similar 6 core cpu should cost about $150 for the silicon manufacturing part. Assembly and marketing costs will be similar, so the cost to Intel should not be much different than the current $196.
re:2)
What would YOU be willing to pay for such a 6 core cpu? What would enough others pay? If it is less than $200, then Intel made a bad decision, and will not produce the cpu. Not a likely prospect. There will be a significant group who want a 6 core cpu @2.66, even without overclocking. If overclocking is as easy on the i7-920, then many more will be willing to spend on such a chip. Considering the success of the i7-920, many will be willing to pay the same $300.
Even now, the top of the line chip fetches $1000 and some are willing to spend that. Intel will price these cpu's at whatever they think will maximize their revenue. Over time, the price will reduce, once the high demand early adopters have paid the price. It will do well in the server arena where more cores are needed, and the price is not a big obstacle. The server chips will be labeled Xenon or somesuch. What is unknown is now much 6 cores are valued in the desktop and workstation market. At this point, gamers can mostly be satisfied with two fast cores, and certainly not more than 4 cores. Will they pay a premium for 6 cores? Some who demand the best will, but I think most won't.
So my conclusion is that we will see 6 core cpu's appear in the same price range as the i7 920-975. Because of the 32nm manufacturing, I expect the clock rates to improve some, perhaps 10-20%.
1) The cost of manufacture.
2) The price the consumer is willing to pay.
re:1)
The cost of manufacture will not be that high. Current 45nm technology can produce 4 core 2.66 i5 cpu's that sell at $196 in industrial lots.
32nm technology can put that same cpu in half the amount of silicon. If you extrapolate that, a similar 6 core cpu should cost about $150 for the silicon manufacturing part. Assembly and marketing costs will be similar, so the cost to Intel should not be much different than the current $196.
re:2)
What would YOU be willing to pay for such a 6 core cpu? What would enough others pay? If it is less than $200, then Intel made a bad decision, and will not produce the cpu. Not a likely prospect. There will be a significant group who want a 6 core cpu @2.66, even without overclocking. If overclocking is as easy on the i7-920, then many more will be willing to spend on such a chip. Considering the success of the i7-920, many will be willing to pay the same $300.
Even now, the top of the line chip fetches $1000 and some are willing to spend that. Intel will price these cpu's at whatever they think will maximize their revenue. Over time, the price will reduce, once the high demand early adopters have paid the price. It will do well in the server arena where more cores are needed, and the price is not a big obstacle. The server chips will be labeled Xenon or somesuch. What is unknown is now much 6 cores are valued in the desktop and workstation market. At this point, gamers can mostly be satisfied with two fast cores, and certainly not more than 4 cores. Will they pay a premium for 6 cores? Some who demand the best will, but I think most won't.
So my conclusion is that we will see 6 core cpu's appear in the same price range as the i7 920-975. Because of the 32nm manufacturing, I expect the clock rates to improve some, perhaps 10-20%.
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BTW, latest update posted by Toms yesterday evening...
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/PCI-Express-3.0-Delay-PCI-SIG,8396.html
So, no PCI-E 3.0 products expected until at least 2011. Yikes!
-- MaSoP
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Yeah, but does expense really matter? Eventually those will be yesterday's news and will come down in price, at which point they'll be an affordable upgrade. The only thing I don't like about I7 right now is the cost of the motherboards.
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I guess we're not going to see the 5870 X2 or an equivalent or better nvidia Graphics card anytime soon then
below $1200 for the octo-core and I'll be happy, but If they put out a hexa-core for $799, I'll buy it providing the clock speed is above 2.8GHz
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