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If I get i7 now.. Upgrade question for future cpu

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July 25, 2009 5:33:26 AM

Hey guys, I'm wondering if I were to get i7 now, and if the new cpu's (i.e 6 core and up) comes out, will it be compatible with the motherboard that the i7 uses? I just really want to be efficient with my money. What do you guys think?

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July 25, 2009 8:37:36 AM

I've heard the 6 cores are going to be sold as extremes so unless you have thousands in your pocket, keep your expectations low
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July 25, 2009 9:16:40 AM

Who knows which socket they will be using?

Invest on an i7 for now.
It will comfortably last for at least 3 years.
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July 25, 2009 7:00:18 PM

TerminatorXT said:
I've heard the 6 cores are going to be sold as extremes so unless you have thousands in your pocket, keep your expectations low

What do you mean by this?
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July 25, 2009 7:20:47 PM

Means they are going to be expensive..............
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July 25, 2009 7:32:03 PM

The fastest i5 2.93 quad will be about the speed of the current i7-940. Both costing $560 or so.
The next upgrade to the 1366 i7 socket is supposed to be a 32nm 6 way cpu. I have heard nothing about it's price. It does not make sense to me that it will be a $999 only extreme part. My guess is that it may start at something like a 6 way at 2.8 for $300-$400 and go on up to an extreme at $999.
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July 25, 2009 7:44:16 PM

So it could be priced similar to the 920? not bad
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July 25, 2009 8:03:06 PM

elo820 said:
So it could be priced similar to the 920? not bad

The i5 @2.66 will be $196 in 1000 unit trays. Somewhat less than the i7-920 of today.
For a new build, who would buy today's i7-920 for $289 when they can get a i5 @2.80 for the same price.
You have to expect that the 1366 socket will be able to offer some meaningful increase in performance that the i5 top end can not do. Currently the i7-950 would be just a bit better, and the 975 is very high priced. 90% of the 1366 sales are for the 920 cpu. I doubt that Intel will abandon that part of the market. Because of the 32nm manufacturing process, I think they can produce the 6 core chips for the same cost as today's 4 core chips. That tells me that they can price the new chips as low as they want to maximize sales and revenue.

Would you jump on a 6 core cpu @ 2.8 for $350?
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July 25, 2009 8:08:35 PM

hell yeah, if it gives that much of a performance boost.
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July 25, 2009 9:00:45 PM

The next i7s to be released are going to be 6 cores. but very expensive.
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July 25, 2009 9:10:52 PM

TerminatorXT said:
I've heard the 6 cores are going to be sold as extremes so unless you have thousands in your pocket, keep your expectations low
elo820 said:
What do you mean by this?
Intel labels its highest end products "Extreme Edition" and charges a hefty price for them.
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July 25, 2009 9:17:11 PM

yeah they will be VERY expensive at least a grand

some think it will use the 1366 socket but no one really knows. i would just get the i7 now and wait 2-3 years to get a 6 core until they are a little more affordable cuz they will come out around mid 2010
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July 25, 2009 9:41:06 PM

Oh ok, I thought it was soon for some reason.. i guess the real dilemma would be the graphics cards..
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August 5, 2009 10:00:16 AM

^ well a new updated version of X58 with some new features is rumoured to be released soon. one of the features is probably PCIe 3.0.

the hexa-cores will use the 1366 socket, as will the octo-cores which come out a few quarters later.

oh and expect to pay at least $600 for the Hexa-core, and more like $1499 for the octo-core.
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August 5, 2009 5:47:54 PM

alberthynek said:
yeah they will be VERY expensive at least a grand

some think it will use the 1366 socket but no one really knows. i would just get the i7 now and wait 2-3 years to get a 6 core until they are a little more affordable cuz they will come out around mid 2010


Most Likely you're an AMD fan who bought the 955

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So it could be priced similar to the 920? not bad

Very Unlikely

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well a new updated version of X58 with some new features is rumoured to be released soon. one of the features is probably PCIe 3.0.


Can you send me a link, I haven't heard of this before
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August 5, 2009 6:22:33 PM

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A grand isn't THAT expensive when its the only thing you need to buy. I don't care how much gulftown is. I'll be buying it. 12 HT's = Sex


You can't say sex yet, we haven't heard the clockspeeds as yet
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August 5, 2009 6:25:29 PM

geofelt said:
The i5 @2.66 will be $196 in 1000 unit trays. Somewhat less than the i7-920 of today.
For a new build, who would buy today's i7-920 for $289 when they can get a i5 @2.80 for the same price.
You have to expect that the 1366 socket will be able to offer some meaningful increase in performance that the i5 top end can not do. Currently the i7-950 would be just a bit better, and the 975 is very high priced. 90% of the 1366 sales are for the 920 cpu. I doubt that Intel will abandon that part of the market. Because of the 32nm manufacturing process, I think they can produce the 6 core chips for the same cost as today's 4 core chips. That tells me that they can price the new chips as low as they want to maximize sales and revenue.

Would you jump on a 6 core cpu @ 2.8 for $350?


Remember the i7 920 can overclock quite a bit and it put Intel in a bad place because the 940 and the 965/975s weren't selling

if Intel are dicks, they'll put some overclocking limitation to the 6 core i7 if it was made avaliable for around $350+
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August 5, 2009 7:21:22 PM

TerminatorXT said:
You can't say sex yet, we haven't heard the clockspeeds as yet

Well since the Hexa-core is rumoured to be an i7 , I'd have a guess that the desktop part will be 3.46GHz and the Xeon part will be 3.33GHz since it continues from the W55xx line.
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August 5, 2009 7:35:38 PM

Helloworld_98 said:
Well since the Hexa-core is rumoured to be an i7 , I'd have a guess that the desktop part will be 3.46GHz and the Xeon part will be 3.33GHz since it continues from the W55xx line.


an i7 at 3.46GHZ with 6 cores wont come cheap
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August 5, 2009 8:02:21 PM

TerminatorXT said:
Most Likely you're an AMD fan who bought the 955

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So it could be priced similar to the 920? not bad

Very Unlikely

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well a new updated version of X58 with some new features is rumoured to be released soon. one of the features is probably PCIe 3.0.


Can you send me a link, I haven't heard of this before


From what I have scoured online, the earliest anyone will be seeing a motherboard with pci-e 3.0 is during 2010, likely the second half. The last pci-e 3.0 related news release from PCI SIG I can find was from August 2007, exactly 2 years ago which stated 2010 and beyond. The link to that 2 yr old press release is here...

http://www.pcisig.com/news_room/PCIe3BitRateAnnounce_FI...

It is anyones guess as to how accurate the time line is from that original press release. Considering it has been 2 years already, there can't be much more of a wait. We'll see USB 3.0 before we see PCI-E 3.0, that is for sure.

-- MaSoP
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August 5, 2009 8:07:36 PM

The price is determined by two factors:
1) The cost of manufacture.
2) The price the consumer is willing to pay.

re:1)
The cost of manufacture will not be that high. Current 45nm technology can produce 4 core 2.66 i5 cpu's that sell at $196 in industrial lots.
32nm technology can put that same cpu in half the amount of silicon. If you extrapolate that, a similar 6 core cpu should cost about $150 for the silicon manufacturing part. Assembly and marketing costs will be similar, so the cost to Intel should not be much different than the current $196.

re:2)
What would YOU be willing to pay for such a 6 core cpu? What would enough others pay? If it is less than $200, then Intel made a bad decision, and will not produce the cpu. Not a likely prospect. There will be a significant group who want a 6 core cpu @2.66, even without overclocking. If overclocking is as easy on the i7-920, then many more will be willing to spend on such a chip. Considering the success of the i7-920, many will be willing to pay the same $300.
Even now, the top of the line chip fetches $1000 and some are willing to spend that. Intel will price these cpu's at whatever they think will maximize their revenue. Over time, the price will reduce, once the high demand early adopters have paid the price. It will do well in the server arena where more cores are needed, and the price is not a big obstacle. The server chips will be labeled Xenon or somesuch. What is unknown is now much 6 cores are valued in the desktop and workstation market. At this point, gamers can mostly be satisfied with two fast cores, and certainly not more than 4 cores. Will they pay a premium for 6 cores? Some who demand the best will, but I think most won't.

So my conclusion is that we will see 6 core cpu's appear in the same price range as the i7 920-975. Because of the 32nm manufacturing, I expect the clock rates to improve some, perhaps 10-20%.
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August 5, 2009 9:03:20 PM

I would be willing to pay $500 CN for a 2.8-3.0GHZ 6core processor
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August 6, 2009 12:37:02 PM

Rain1406 said:
The next i7s to be released are going to be 6 cores. but very expensive.


Yeah, but does expense really matter? Eventually those will be yesterday's news and will come down in price, at which point they'll be an affordable upgrade. The only thing I don't like about I7 right now is the cost of the motherboards.
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August 6, 2009 1:13:32 PM

masop said:
BTW, latest update posted by Toms yesterday evening...

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/PCI-Express-3.0-Delay-...


So, no PCI-E 3.0 products expected until at least 2011. Yikes!

-- MaSoP


I guess we're not going to see the 5870 X2 or an equivalent or better nvidia Graphics card anytime soon then :( 

below $1200 for the octo-core and I'll be happy, but If they put out a hexa-core for $799, I'll buy it providing the clock speed is above 2.8GHz
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August 6, 2009 4:08:48 PM

Helloworld_98 said:
I guess we're not going to see the 5870 X2 or an equivalent or better nvidia Graphics card anytime soon then :( 

below $1200 for the octo-core and I'll be happy, but If they put out a hexa-core for $799, I'll buy it providing the clock speed is above 2.8GHz


Yeah. I wonder though how much "tweak room" is left in the current 2.0 spec?

As far as 6 core or higher processors go, I'll pass until the price drops under $300, lol. I just don't make that kind of money, heh.

-- MaSoP
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August 6, 2009 5:25:38 PM

^ well the idea with i7 is that you upgrade your CPU and graphics every year, instead of the whole build every year,so whereas you'd normally spend $1500 on a whole build, you just upgrade your CPU and graphics.
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August 6, 2009 5:49:47 PM

Helloworld_98 said:
^ well the idea with i7 is that you upgrade your CPU and graphics every year, instead of the whole build every year,so whereas you'd normally spend $1500 on a whole build, you just upgrade your CPU and graphics.


Well, the budget for computer upgrades for my household is about $500 or so per year, so that won't work for my household, lol. I'm lucky to get in a medium sized upgrade every 3 years. This is why I've capped myself at about $150 for a gpu upgrade this summer and then another couple ben's for a cpu and/or mb upgrade in the fall or winter months.

-- MaSoP
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