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Hey all,
i'm building a computer and i run the following applications
MSN, itunes, mozilla, antivirus, vent, and one of the apps in the parenthses (World of warcraft, CS:S, BF2)
I run all these at the same time most of the time
What processor is better for that at the same price?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103680
Or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103648
Plz give a lil info with your choice plz
would http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103253
amd phenom 8650 toliman be a decent choice for such a good price?
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103244
Message edited by noah360 on 07-27-2009 at 12:51:13 AM
Those have clock speeds that are way to slow. You have to go with the new Phenom II. If you are going to game while some of those apps are running, then get the X3. That way the game can use 1 or 2 cores, and the third should handle everything else just fine.
I don't know about your computers, but itunes runs really slow with me. I'd use a different media player, like winamp, windows media player, or gom.
Reply to Paranoidmage
The X3 is better for the same price. The other cores on the X2's are generally unlockable if you want to give that a try, but if you aren't going to do that or overclock then go for the 710.
The X2 is possibly better in gaming right now however...tbh there isn't a great deal between both cpu's and you'll be more than fine with either.
generally unlockable? I would love to see some links proving that.
never buy a cpu hoping to unlock extra cores. Those cores are disabled for a reason.
okay, well i've decided on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103678
could you please help me choose a good mobo? i don't need onboard video, and i don't really know what to look for. i 'd liek the two to be under 135ish, and perferibly asus. Please so i may learn, list what you looked at and why, tyvm
At stock clocks that is a good choice but when overclocked the intel 5300 is a much better cpu.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] =3554&cp=5
well bad i'm satisfied,
I generally don't swing intel, although i really feel you know your stuff. I used to be tech savy lol
So would you be awesome and put a mobo and ram with that processor, maybe a heatsink/fan that will cool it through the OC'ing. And tell me what ishould expect to get out of the CPU gighertz wise please
Thank you
and why not go with the 5200 b/c it's the same thing just .1ghz lower
| BadTRip wrote : generally unlockable? I would love to see some links proving that. |
In all the many reviews I've read, all have been able to unlock extra cores on the X2's. Feel free to post links with reviews that couldn't.
i agree with the 5200 but I didnt have any benchmarks for it. lol
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819116072
$65.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819116072
$54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231166
$53.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148469
$49.99
All quality parts
Total
$224.96
you linked the processor twice can you plz link the motherboard?
| BadTRip wrote : At stock clocks that is a good choice but when overclocked the intel 5300 is a much better cpu.
|
Lets see how it compares to the Phenom II 550...
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] i=3572&p=9
Why even bother with maybe unlocking the extra cores when the PII 550 is clearly superior to any intel within $50.
noah don't listen to badtrip, he doesn't know the difference between an athlon 2 and a phenom II X2.
The phenom II X2 is a far superior cpu to the E5300, E6300 or anything that isn't a 7+ series intel dual core.
Message edited by jennyh on 07-27-2009 at 03:50:22 AM
I am sorry I meant this link.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131369
Oh and Jenny cant you read I said when overclocked.
@ noah: Read some of her other posts; her bias has her so very blind to any facts.
not to mention her link shows more expensive cpus.
No offence badtrip but you came in to this thread with an attitude and offering very poor advice to a person who is looking for the best cpu for their money. The Phenom II 550 is a far superior cpu to any intel below 7xxx series and the platform is much cheaper to boot. Go convince somebody to buy an i7 instead and you might have a winner on your hands there.
| BadTRip wrote : not to mention her link shows more expensive cpus. |
Actually, noah linked two AMD cpu's around the $100 mark and you came up with a $55 E5200 which was supposed to compare favourably?
There is no comparison to be made between those inferior intel's and the far superior AMD's, they are in a different league altogether.
| BadTRip wrote : At stock clocks that is a good choice but when overclocked the intel 5300 is a much better cpu.
|
One last thing, sorry but I think this is worth clearing up.
While the E5300 scores better in productivity it lags quite badly in gaming. As the non-biased Batrip failed to mention on that Anandtech review..
"If you’re building a gaming box however, the recommendation shifts entirely the other way. The Athlon X2 7850 is the clear winner in gaming performance, significantly outperforming the E5300. In gaming tests the E5300 is simply too cache starved and without an on-die memory controller, each trip to main memory is too costly to compete with the 7850."
The overall recommendation is slightly in favour of the E5300 vs the 7850, mostly from a power consumption standpoint. Where Badtrip got his 'much better cpu' idea from is anyone's guess.
Personally I'd go up or down a tad either way, either to the Phenom II 550 or the Athlon II 250. The E5200 is a decent cpu at it's price point - with good overclocking too - but I wouldn't give the E5300 a second thought.
If twenty bucks makes a difference, definately get the 720. The Callisto is a close second. But don't expect to unlock any cores without a SD750 southbridge.
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^ Or SB 710
Right, thanks.
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well i was at work so i couldn't rea this earlier, but i was now down in my budget a lil and wanted to know between the altholon x7850 or the e5200...around the same dollar, but you tell me
Thanks again, i see all the info, and at this point i'm so stuck between those to cpu's, i'm gona read the reviews and if you have anything else to say i'll appeciate it!
| jennyh wrote : Actually, noah linked two AMD cpu's around the $100 mark and you came up with a $55 E5200 which was supposed to compare favourably?
|
actually in all fairness jenny, i did half way through the discussion decide on a cheaper chip, between the althlon x2 7850 and the e5200. b/c my budget is so limited i want a less expensive chip to get me by.
Thank you all for taking part in this discussion, although i am still undecide between the althlon and e5200 i will be within the day.
Also if you have anymore to say, again i do the following on my computer.
Wow/Bf2/Arma/Steam apps
MSN
Itunes
moziila firefox
antivirus
Generally all are running at once, except when playing arma
Thanks again
-Noah
| jennyh wrote : Actually, noah linked two AMD cpu's around the $100 mark and you came up with a $55 E5200 which was supposed to compare favourably? There is no comparison to be made between those inferior intel's and the far superior AMD's, they are in a different league altogether. |
| jennyh wrote : One last thing, sorry but I think this is worth clearing up. While the E5300 scores better in productivity it lags quite badly in gaming. As the non-biased Batrip failed to mention on that Anandtech review.. "If you’re building a gaming box however, the recommendation shifts entirely the other way. The Athlon X2 7850 is the clear winner in gaming performance, significantly outperforming the E5300. In gaming tests the E5300 is simply too cache starved and without an on-die memory controller, each trip to main memory is too costly to compete with the 7850." The overall recommendation is slightly in favour of the E5300 vs the 7850, mostly from a power consumption standpoint. Where Badtrip got his 'much better cpu' idea from is anyone's guess. Personally I'd go up or down a tad either way, either to the Phenom II 550 or the Athlon II 250. The E5200 is a decent cpu at it's price point - with good overclocking too - but I wouldn't give the E5300 a second thought. |
As Badtrip said the e5200 is superior WHEN OVERCLOCKED. I am an AMD fan to the bone, but the new 45nm pentiums OC EXTREMELY well. you can expect 4ghz from an E5200 with reasonable air cooling. at 4ghz it becomes an extremely compelling choice, even more so when price is taken into account. the phenom may also OC well, however for the most part the intel chip will reach higher clocks consistently.
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Message edited by ewood on 07-27-2009 at 11:35:19 PM
Message edited by ewood on 07-27-2009 at 11:35:19 PM
b/c the e5200 is a good chip, would the e 6300 be even better? i only ask b/c this combo deal at newegg is hard to beat it looks like
2nd one down with out the GPU, although the GPU would be an upgrade my 1950gt should sufice as wow is the main game i play atm sadley lol
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] =10&page=1
And with the e6300 should i expect to be a better OC'er than the e5200? and by how much etc.
Again thank you all, i will let you know when i have decide my order will be put in tomorrow at noon-ish
Oh and on that combo the mobo is rated at 1066/1336 but the ram is only 800, is that a problem?
Message edited by noah360 on 07-27-2009 at 11:50:31 PM
how well do the g31 boards OC?
or is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 813131329R better for 5 more dollars
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Message edited by noah360 on 07-27-2009 at 11:55:48 PM
Message edited by noah360 on 07-27-2009 at 11:55:48 PM
The Phenom II X2 550 BE is really a great cpu and can generally be unlocked to a quadcore quite easily. You need a good mobo for that and I would not recommend Asus since they got stability problems.
Personally, Gigabyte is even worst, but you can try out with a good and cheap board. You could easily get a really powerful PC.
Someone on Hardware Canucks have been able to beat a Core i7 with a X2 550 >
... it was so funny that I almost fall off my chair.
Message edited by redgarl on 07-28-2009 at 12:13:54 AM
| noah360 wrote : how well do the g31 boards OC?
|
The P5QL Pro is a great little board (I owned one), but buy a new box. 30$ is nothing for having the peace of mind of buying an almost defect free unit.
FINAL DECISION!!!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136098
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227362
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 813131329R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819116072
I will be OC'ing this as i am told they are great OC'ers so thank you all, and badtrip
-Noah360
Price. 131.55
Well the Quad Core 3.2 Ghz Phenom II X4 955 + motherboard combo deals are back up again at newegg after being sold out for a few days.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] =10&page=1
Here is the $230 combo deal with the $15 mail in rebate or $215 Phenom II X4 955 BE CPU and MSI motherboard deal (basically you get the motherboard for free).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.212169
However this would need DDR3 RAM which is a little more expensive than DDR2 RAM
sorry my budget is 230$$ and that's that but ty
I hear you.You did make a good choice however I would avoid the open box deals though (taking a chance).That Intel CPU was the one that I picked for you in your other post.
oh, thank you, i jsut got more replies here so yeah thanks again everyone
i wouldnt expect any better an OC from the 6300, infact the lower multiplier may limit your OC. IMO go with the 5300 as it offers your more options because of the higher multiplier. put the money saved towards a better mobo with a p35/45.
e5300- $73.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819116074
mobo-$76.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813130229
patriot ddr2800-$44.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820220396
(its rated at 1.9v, not 2.2 may get a little better OC out of it because of this if you raise the voltage to 2.1v)
Total: $197.00
| jennyh wrote : In all the many reviews I've read, all have been able to unlock extra cores on the X2's. Feel free to post links with reviews that couldn't. |
Agreed! BADTRIP seems to be on a BAD TRIP when it comes to unlocking the extra cores. Almost every PII 550 I have come across has unlocked the 3rd and 4th core and stable. What makes me even more intrigued is that they are topping my 940 and 955 in most cases. Please post some that are unable to do this (with the right board please)
Reply to xtc28
just curious really quick, is buying a sata HDD gona make a big diff with my new system or should i keep my IDE??!?!?
Sata all the way. It will increase data transfer speed and getthings moving aliitle quicker. 7200.11 Seagates are the best in my book.
Reply to xtc28
diff between seagate 7200.10 and .11?
16mb cache on the .10 and 32mb cache on the .11
Reply to xtc28
will i noticed the difference with the listed above tasks? and could i suffice with an 8mb?
and its quieter
Reply to xtc28
You could get away with it but I really have to recommend it. If its more speed that you are wanting get an SSD. They will RAPE any 7200.11 HDD outhere!
Reply to xtc28
g41 board vs the p43? what are teh mani differences
the g41 has integrated graphics, while the p43 does not. I would go with the hard drive i linked though, as it does have 16mb cache vs 8mb for the same price.
| ewood wrote : As Badtrip said the e5200 is superior WHEN OVERCLOCKED. I am an AMD fan to the bone, but the new 45nm pentiums OC EXTREMELY well. you can expect 4ghz from an E5200 with reasonable air cooling. at 4ghz it becomes an extremely compelling choice, even more so when price is taken into account. the phenom may also OC well, however for the most part the intel chip will reach higher clocks consistently. |
Superior to what? Are you actually of the belief that an e5200 is superior to an athlon 250 or phenom II 550 when both are overclocked to the limit?
A 550 will probably go to 3.9 or 4ghz, and will *probably* open up 1-2 extra cores on an ACC mobo. The e5200 is a PENTIUM dual core (hint : it's not a core 2 duo) - it's ancient architecture being pushed to the limits. Both the new Athlon 2 and (especially) the Phenom II are far, far superior cpu's. An e5200 at 4ghz would still be slower in gaming, apps...everything, than a stock phenom II 550.
Wow I finally agree with you BT. That is a good hard drive and actually better than the .11 I mentioned.
EDIT: Jenny is still right no matter which way you try to sell the e5200. It doesnt compare.
Message edited by xtc28 on 07-28-2009 at 03:49:12 AM
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| jennyh wrote : Superior to what? Are you actually of the belief that an e5200 is superior to an athlon 250 or phenom II 550 when both are overclocked to the limit?
|
proving your ignorance once again. The new pentiums are most certainly core 2 duos, just with reduced cache.
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