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July 26, 2009 10:39:48 PM

Hey all,
i'm building a computer and i run the following applications

MSN, itunes, mozilla, antivirus, vent, and one of the apps in the parenthses (World of warcraft, CS:S, BF2)
I run all these at the same time most of the time

What processor is better for that at the same price?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Plz give a lil info with your choice plz

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July 26, 2009 11:40:08 PM

Those have clock speeds that are way to slow. You have to go with the new Phenom II. If you are going to game while some of those apps are running, then get the X3. That way the game can use 1 or 2 cores, and the third should handle everything else just fine.

I don't know about your computers, but itunes runs really slow with me. I'd use a different media player, like winamp, windows media player, or gom.
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July 26, 2009 11:45:42 PM

The X3 is better for the same price. The other cores on the X2's are generally unlockable if you want to give that a try, but if you aren't going to do that or overclock then go for the 710.

The X2 is possibly better in gaming right now however...tbh there isn't a great deal between both cpu's and you'll be more than fine with either.
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July 27, 2009 12:53:14 AM

generally unlockable? I would love to see some links proving that.
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July 27, 2009 12:54:58 AM

never buy a cpu hoping to unlock extra cores. Those cores are disabled for a reason.
July 27, 2009 12:56:51 AM

okay, well i've decided on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

could you please help me choose a good mobo? i don't need onboard video, and i don't really know what to look for. i 'd liek the two to be under 135ish, and perferibly asus. Please so i may learn, list what you looked at and why, tyvm
July 27, 2009 1:05:12 AM

well bad i'm satisfied,
I generally don't swing intel, although i really feel you know your stuff. I used to be tech savy lol
So would you be awesome and put a mobo and ram with that processor, maybe a heatsink/fan that will cool it through the OC'ing. And tell me what ishould expect to get out of the CPU gighertz wise please

Thank you
July 27, 2009 1:12:36 AM

and why not go with the 5200 b/c it's the same thing just .1ghz lower
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July 27, 2009 1:34:57 AM

BadTrip said:
generally unlockable? I would love to see some links proving that.


In all the many reviews I've read, all have been able to unlock extra cores on the X2's. Feel free to post links with reviews that couldn't.
July 27, 2009 1:44:46 AM

you linked the processor twice can you plz link the motherboard?
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July 27, 2009 1:48:21 AM

noah don't listen to badtrip, he doesn't know the difference between an athlon 2 and a phenom II X2.

The phenom II X2 is a far superior cpu to the E5300, E6300 or anything that isn't a 7+ series intel dual core.
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July 27, 2009 1:59:55 AM

Oh and Jenny cant you read I said when overclocked.

@ noah: Read some of her other posts; her bias has her so very blind to any facts.
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July 27, 2009 2:01:25 AM

not to mention her link shows more expensive cpus.
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July 27, 2009 2:03:25 AM

No offence badtrip but you came in to this thread with an attitude and offering very poor advice to a person who is looking for the best cpu for their money. The Phenom II 550 is a far superior cpu to any intel below 7xxx series and the platform is much cheaper to boot. Go convince somebody to buy an i7 instead and you might have a winner on your hands there.
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July 27, 2009 2:08:43 AM

BadTrip said:
not to mention her link shows more expensive cpus.


Actually, noah linked two AMD cpu's around the $100 mark and you came up with a $55 E5200 which was supposed to compare favourably?

There is no comparison to be made between those inferior intel's and the far superior AMD's, they are in a different league altogether.
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July 27, 2009 2:26:30 AM

BadTrip said:
At stock clocks that is a good choice but when overclocked the intel 5300 is a much better cpu.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=355...


One last thing, sorry but I think this is worth clearing up.

While the E5300 scores better in productivity it lags quite badly in gaming. As the non-biased Batrip failed to mention on that Anandtech review..

"If you’re building a gaming box however, the recommendation shifts entirely the other way. The Athlon X2 7850 is the clear winner in gaming performance, significantly outperforming the E5300. In gaming tests the E5300 is simply too cache starved and without an on-die memory controller, each trip to main memory is too costly to compete with the 7850."

The overall recommendation is slightly in favour of the E5300 vs the 7850, mostly from a power consumption standpoint. Where Badtrip got his 'much better cpu' idea from is anyone's guess.

Personally I'd go up or down a tad either way, either to the Phenom II 550 or the Athlon II 250. The E5200 is a decent cpu at it's price point - with good overclocking too - but I wouldn't give the E5300 a second thought.
July 27, 2009 5:36:39 AM

If twenty bucks makes a difference, definately get the 720. The Callisto is a close second. But don't expect to unlock any cores without a SD750 southbridge.
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July 27, 2009 2:03:45 PM

^ Or SB 710
July 27, 2009 4:23:55 PM

Right, thanks.
July 27, 2009 9:07:42 PM

well i was at work so i couldn't rea this earlier, but i was now down in my budget a lil and wanted to know between the altholon x7850 or the e5200...around the same dollar, but you tell me

Thanks again, i see all the info, and at this point i'm so stuck between those to cpu's, i'm gona read the reviews and if you have anything else to say i'll appeciate it!
July 27, 2009 9:16:48 PM



jennyh said:
Actually, noah linked two AMD cpu's around the $100 mark and you came up with a $55 E5200 which was supposed to compare favourably?

There is no comparison to be made between those inferior intel's and the far superior AMD's, they are in a different league altogether.



actually in all fairness jenny, i did half way through the discussion decide on a cheaper chip, between the althlon x2 7850 and the e5200. b/c my budget is so limited i want a less expensive chip to get me by.

Thank you all for taking part in this discussion, although i am still undecide between the althlon and e5200 i will be within the day.

Also if you have anymore to say, again i do the following on my computer.

Wow/Bf2/Arma/Steam apps
MSN
Itunes
moziila firefox
antivirus
Generally all are running at once, except when playing arma

Thanks again

-Noah
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July 27, 2009 9:34:14 PM

jennyh said:
Actually, noah linked two AMD cpu's around the $100 mark and you came up with a $55 E5200 which was supposed to compare favourably?

There is no comparison to be made between those inferior intel's and the far superior AMD's, they are in a different league altogether.


jennyh said:
One last thing, sorry but I think this is worth clearing up.

While the E5300 scores better in productivity it lags quite badly in gaming. As the non-biased Batrip failed to mention on that Anandtech review..

"If you’re building a gaming box however, the recommendation shifts entirely the other way. The Athlon X2 7850 is the clear winner in gaming performance, significantly outperforming the E5300. In gaming tests the E5300 is simply too cache starved and without an on-die memory controller, each trip to main memory is too costly to compete with the 7850."

The overall recommendation is slightly in favour of the E5300 vs the 7850, mostly from a power consumption standpoint. Where Badtrip got his 'much better cpu' idea from is anyone's guess.

Personally I'd go up or down a tad either way, either to the Phenom II 550 or the Athlon II 250. The E5200 is a decent cpu at it's price point - with good overclocking too - but I wouldn't give the E5300 a second thought.


As Badtrip said the e5200 is superior WHEN OVERCLOCKED. I am an AMD fan to the bone, but the new 45nm pentiums OC EXTREMELY well. you can expect 4ghz from an E5200 with reasonable air cooling. at 4ghz it becomes an extremely compelling choice, even more so when price is taken into account. the phenom may also OC well, however for the most part the intel chip will reach higher clocks consistently.
July 27, 2009 9:38:42 PM

b/c the e5200 is a good chip, would the e 6300 be even better? i only ask b/c this combo deal at newegg is hard to beat it looks like


2nd one down with out the GPU, although the GPU would be an upgrade my 1950gt should sufice as wow is the main game i play atm sadley lol

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N...

And with the e6300 should i expect to be a better OC'er than the e5200? and by how much etc.

Again thank you all, i will let you know when i have decide my order will be put in tomorrow at noon-ish



Oh and on that combo the mobo is rated at 1066/1336 but the ram is only 800, is that a problem?
July 27, 2009 10:09:41 PM

The Phenom II X2 550 BE is really a great cpu and can generally be unlocked to a quadcore quite easily. You need a good mobo for that and I would not recommend Asus since they got stability problems.

Personally, Gigabyte is even worst, but you can try out with a good and cheap board. You could easily get a really powerful PC.

Someone on Hardware Canucks have been able to beat a Core i7 with a X2 550 >:D ... it was so funny that I almost fall off my chair.

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July 27, 2009 10:30:36 PM

Well the Quad Core 3.2 Ghz Phenom II X4 955 + motherboard combo deals are back up again at newegg after being sold out for a few days.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N...
Here is the $230 combo deal with the $15 mail in rebate or $215 Phenom II X4 955 BE CPU and MSI motherboard deal (basically you get the motherboard for free).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
However this would need DDR3 RAM which is a little more expensive than DDR2 RAM
July 27, 2009 10:31:49 PM

sorry my budget is 230$$ and that's that but ty
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July 27, 2009 10:35:02 PM

I hear you.You did make a good choice however I would avoid the open box deals though (taking a chance).That Intel CPU was the one that I picked for you in your other post.
July 27, 2009 11:18:54 PM

oh, thank you, i jsut got more replies here so yeah thanks again everyone
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July 27, 2009 11:52:18 PM

i wouldnt expect any better an OC from the 6300, infact the lower multiplier may limit your OC. IMO go with the 5300 as it offers your more options because of the higher multiplier. put the money saved towards a better mobo with a p35/45.

e5300- $73.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

mobo-$76.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


patriot ddr2800-$44.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(its rated at 1.9v, not 2.2 may get a little better OC out of it because of this if you raise the voltage to 2.1v)

Total: $197.00
July 28, 2009 12:01:31 AM

jennyh said:
In all the many reviews I've read, all have been able to unlock extra cores on the X2's. Feel free to post links with reviews that couldn't.

Agreed! BADTRIP seems to be on a BAD TRIP when it comes to unlocking the extra cores. Almost every PII 550 I have come across has unlocked the 3rd and 4th core and stable. What makes me even more intrigued is that they are topping my 940 and 955 in most cases. Please post some that are unable to do this (with the right board please)
July 28, 2009 12:03:29 AM

just curious really quick, is buying a sata HDD gona make a big diff with my new system or should i keep my IDE??!?!?
July 28, 2009 12:07:47 AM

Sata all the way. It will increase data transfer speed and getthings moving aliitle quicker. 7200.11 Seagates are the best in my book.
July 28, 2009 12:10:04 AM

diff between seagate 7200.10 and .11?
July 28, 2009 12:16:40 AM

16mb cache on the .10 and 32mb cache on the .11
July 28, 2009 12:17:28 AM

will i noticed the difference with the listed above tasks? and could i suffice with an 8mb?
July 28, 2009 12:18:56 AM

and its quieter
July 28, 2009 12:20:27 AM

You could get away with it but I really have to recommend it. If its more speed that you are wanting get an SSD. They will RAPE any 7200.11 HDD outhere!
July 28, 2009 1:02:46 AM

g41 board vs the p43? what are teh mani differences
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July 28, 2009 1:08:41 AM

the g41 has integrated graphics, while the p43 does not. I would go with the hard drive i linked though, as it does have 16mb cache vs 8mb for the same price.
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July 28, 2009 1:44:52 AM

ewood said:
As Badtrip said the e5200 is superior WHEN OVERCLOCKED. I am an AMD fan to the bone, but the new 45nm pentiums OC EXTREMELY well. you can expect 4ghz from an E5200 with reasonable air cooling. at 4ghz it becomes an extremely compelling choice, even more so when price is taken into account. the phenom may also OC well, however for the most part the intel chip will reach higher clocks consistently.


Superior to what? Are you actually of the belief that an e5200 is superior to an athlon 250 or phenom II 550 when both are overclocked to the limit?

A 550 will probably go to 3.9 or 4ghz, and will *probably* open up 1-2 extra cores on an ACC mobo. The e5200 is a PENTIUM dual core (hint : it's not a core 2 duo) - it's ancient architecture being pushed to the limits. Both the new Athlon 2 and (especially) the Phenom II are far, far superior cpu's. An e5200 at 4ghz would still be slower in gaming, apps...everything, than a stock phenom II 550.
July 28, 2009 1:46:43 AM

Wow I finally agree with you BT. That is a good hard drive and actually better than the .11 I mentioned.

EDIT: Jenny is still right no matter which way you try to sell the e5200. It doesnt compare.
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July 28, 2009 1:49:20 AM

jennyh said:
Superior to what? Are you actually of the belief that an e5200 is superior to an athlon 250 or phenom II 550 when both are overclocked to the limit?

A 550 will probably go to 3.9 or 4ghz, and will *probably* open up 1-2 extra cores on an ACC mobo. The e5200 is a PENTIUM dual core (hint : it's not a core 2 duo) - it's ancient architecture being pushed to the limits. Both the new Athlon 2 and (especially) the Phenom II are far, far superior cpu's. An e5200 at 4ghz would still be slower in gaming, apps...everything, than a stock phenom II 550.


proving your ignorance once again. The new pentiums are most certainly core 2 duos, just with reduced cache.
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