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a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 1:31:52 PM

Hi all,
I'm considering investing some money in a simple WC loop (CPU and 2 GPUs), but my Raven isn't exactly built for WCing...at all.
I've looked into WCing before, so I'm familiar with a decent amount of it, and don't plan on doing this immediately (no money ;) )

I've found some pictures of set up, but nobody explains how they did it (e.g how they mounted their triple rads and what not).
Does anybody have any insight on how to assemble the loop specific to this case.

Also, any recommendations in general for waterblocks (GTX 470, i7-930), pumps, rads, etc?

Thanks guys!

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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 1:40:28 PM

Hmmm...any case can watercool...you just might need to do some modding.

CPU + 2 GPU, you'll need probably 2 triple rads for a good/great loop.

http://skinneelabs.com/triplesv2.html

I have 2 MCR320's mounted on the side of my case. I love them, cheap and they do pretty well with low-medium RPM/CFM fans. Not the 'best', but damn good cost/performance.

Pump- if you are in the market, might as well go big...MCP655 or MCP35x; either with aftermarket top...definitely top/res for the 35x if you go that route.

Blocks- CPU, there are some good ones out there, most perform rather well.
http://skinneelabs.com/cpu-blocks.html

GPU Blocks- full cover blocks are best, but they cost more and can only be used on the card you buy them for...not the next gen. Universal blocks are decent, but a little more restrictive and you'll need RAMsinks for the RAM modules.

If you are going with a new loop, might as well start out with 1/2" ID everything...it's the most commonly used, but 3/8" ID really won't impact temps if you need to go that route.

Read up if you have more questions...I've helped several guys around here build setups, so let me know in PM if you need info on anything specific, or just keep asking away.

http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/226970-water-cooling-essential-threads.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/256607-29-watercooling-read-first
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a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 2:40:40 PM

here is excellent round up of best GPU blocks (EK blocks are great and well priced)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26...
I would't recommend RAVEN RV02 for LC ..you looking at 2X360 rad's for your set up,you could probably get away with 1x360(internal mount and another outside) ,but 2 ..don't think so , invest some $ for better case if you want good LC set up
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a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 2:42:38 PM

I don't need it to be super-duper; I mainly need to WC to OC my 470s, since they can't dissipate heat well enough with no side fan pulling cool air into the fans. It's just the case design.

The MCR320 seems to be what is used most often, since it's the biggest that will fit in the case.

I figured CPU blocks were pretty standard. Don't plan on OCing (yet; no real need)); just want quieter cooling.

I don't know the exact dimensions of the case, so the pump will take a while to decide.

I only plan on WCing the 470s, so I don't mind buying the full blocks. How hard is it to add a third GPU into the system?


Ironically enough, I'm in my heat transfer class right now...
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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 2:54:37 PM

So, you only want to WC the 470's? Hmm...you could probably get away with a single triple rad, but you'd probably want to run it in push/pull. You could also run a MCP355 pump, even though it's pretty robust and would work with a CPU + another radiator as well...aftermarket top for that would be a good choice as well.

Quieter cooling...toss up. You are adding fans, not taking away with watercooling. Your radiators need fans to transfer heat, plus you still need the fans in the case that normally provide airflow. Quiet depends on fans used and radiator of choice.
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a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 2:55:15 PM

ortoklaz said:
here is excellent round up of best GPU blocks (EK blocks are great and well priced)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26...
I would't recommend RAVEN RV02 for LC ..you looking at 2X360 rad's for your set up,you could probably get away with 1x360(internal mount and another outside) ,but 2 ..don't think so , invest some $ for better case if you want good LC set up


Thanks for the block links.

I'm not really concerned about extreme performance. I know the Raven wasn't built for WC, but people who have done it have had pretty good performance increases.
Additionally, I can't drop another $150+ on a good LC case (like the Corsairs, which I would ideally use).

Plus, I love my Raven :) 
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a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 3:00:59 PM

"Don't plan on OCing (yet; no real need)); just want quieter cooling","How hard is it to add a third GPU into the system? " =more rad's and yes you would want to OC your CPU

EDIT; start with better case
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a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 3:01:03 PM

rubix_1011 said:
So, you only want to WC the 470's? Hmm...you could probably get away with a single triple rad, but you'd probably want to run it in push/pull. You could also run a MCP355 pump, even though it's pretty robust and would work with a CPU + another radiator as well...aftermarket top for that would be a good choice as well.

Quieter cooling...toss up. You are adding fans, not taking away with watercooling. Your radiators need fans to transfer heat, plus you still need the fans in the case that normally provide airflow. Quiet depends on fans used and radiator of choice.


The main reason for the setup is the 470s. The Hyper 212+ is great, but I may as well LC it too ;) 

In terms of noise, I assume it will still be quieter, but cooling is still the main priority. I have the 3x180mm fans on the bottom where the rad will go (only place), so I may be able to get away with a single triple rad (I'll look at performance reviews on the web), and anything is better than the GPU fan at 75%+, which is what happens when the GPUs hit 60-70 (necessary to prevent overheating, unfortunately).

Plus, the expansion ports are angled up in the Raven, so I hear GPU fan all day long. Like I said, the GPU cooling is really impacted by the lack of a side fan.
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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 3:02:06 PM

Like I mentioned, any case will be fine if you have the room and don't mind a little modding in some instances.

The Raven is a pretty nice case, I've considered getting it, but I think I'm going to a test bench setup...either purchase or build my own.

Let us know...my sig has the 2 links I always post so I decided to just start including them everywhere. Once you know what you want to do for sure, you can start planning out in more detail.
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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 3:04:17 PM

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"Don't plan on OCing (yet; no real need)); just want quieter cooling","How hard is it to add a third GPU into the system? " =more rad's and yes you would want to OC your CPU


If OP adds CPU, dual 3x120 rads will almost be a must.

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The main reason for the setup is the 470s. The Hyper 212+ is great, but I may as well LC it too


Might as well...I guarantee once you do the 470's, you'll wish you would've just included the CPU and built a full loop to begin with.

:) 
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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 3:21:05 PM

The one with the Silverstone is similar to how I have my MCR320's mounted.

Video - It's also a very clean-looking build...very nice.
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a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 4:32:13 PM

rubix_1011 said:

Let us know...my sig has the 2 links I always post so I decided to just start including them everywhere. Once you know what you want to do for sure, you can start planning out in more detail.


I guess I should have been a little more clear from the get-go :) 

I have no building experience with anything having to do with liquid, especially a computer LC system. I understand the main components for the most part (blocks, pumps, etc), but once it gets to the small things (WTF are barbs?) I'm lost. I'm trying to do as much reading as I can, but right now all of my engineering classes have me reading 15+ pages of dense material for every hour of class.

My goal is to get enough money by the second/third week of March, so I can assemble and test over Spring Break. I've heard people can get a CPU + GPU loop done for ~$200, so I figure ~$300 is doable for CPU + 2 GPUs, since I'm adding a waterblock, and probably a bigger pump or something.

I'd like to LC primarily my 2xGTX 470s so I can OC them. The heat generated is simply too much, and listening to the stupid GPU fans is ridiculous.
The temps don't need to be arctic, but I would like to do better than 80C (non-OCed) on each 470 while OCed.

The CPU will just be thrown into the loop simply because it's (relatively) cheap, and will cause a bigger headache *when* I decide to do it later.

I know the Raven isn't the best case to do it in, but I've seen it done. I may also consider moving to a new case, just to be realistic. I don't know how much time I can devote to modifying the case if need be.

I just wish the people who did LC in the Raven would post more detailed instructions on their methods.
According to Silverstone, the Raven does have support for "liquid cooling radiator mounting." I'm going to look into that.
There also are 2 drilled holes where tubes are supposed to pass through. Haven't seen anyone use those yet.
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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 4:33:47 PM

That's a pretty slick (and expensive) monitor system.

I got a sweet Scythe KazeMaster fan controller with temp probes from Miwanuma (on this forum) for helping him through a WC build, start to finish. It's pretty nice...it's going into the new build when I get around to it. I has 8 temp probes, so I hope to incorporate 1 into CPU, each GPU (SLI) and then into the water line somewhere (likely a custom made res) to monitor temps and water...just for fun.

[urlhttp://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/06/08/scythe-kaze...[/url]
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a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 4:42:12 PM

rubix_1011 said:
That's a pretty slick (and expensive) monitor system.

I got a sweet Scythe KazeMaster fan controller with temp probes from Miwanuma (on this forum) for helping him through a WC build, start to finish. It's pretty nice...it's going into the new build when I get around to it. I has 8 temp probes, so I hope to incorporate 1 into CPU, each GPU (SLI) and then into the water line somewhere (likely a custom made res) to monitor temps and water...just for fun.

[urlhttp://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/06/08/scythe-kaze...
[/url]

he offered me that Scythe.. :na:  ,but i already have one in my closet ..I didn't like it and switch to Lamptron 30w per channel ;) 

@boiler1990 ..sorry bud
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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 4:46:54 PM

Damn, and here I felt special. :) 

Regardless, I can use it, and will simply for temp displays. I am looking into a more discreet option as a fan controller...esp. with a test bench.
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a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 5:11:19 PM

rubix_1011 said:
Damn, and here I felt special. :) 

Regardless, I can use it, and will simply for temp displays. I am looking into a more discreet option as a fan controller...esp. with a test bench.

looks like you end up getting that torture rack ;)  ,post some pics when you finish ,I just finished my new rig (mem.conf.)
P.S you still special :( 
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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 5:21:24 PM

I haven't picked one up yet...still not decided on building one vs. buying. I like the Banchetto 101, but I need more room than that.
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a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 6:53:32 PM

To get back on topic for a moment (don't mind the conversation at all - I find this all interesting), as far as the pumps go, should I get the MCP655 or MCP35x? Does the 655 need a reservoir at all? Is it just not built in directly like the 35x?

Anyway, I'm thinking of going with the Apogee XT Extreme block and either the EK GTX 470 blocks or the Koolance 470 blocks (the Koolances are apparently easier to set up and cool very well).
Supposedly the Apogee is "on sale" at frozencpu.com for $70. Is that truly a sale, or should I look somewhere else?

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9767/ex-blc-679/Swift...

As for a radiator, it seems like everybody is using the MCR320 in the Raven. I don't know which model to get though, so any insight there is appreciated.

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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 7:17:24 PM

The MCP35x is a smaller form, similar to the MCP355, but supposedly more potent than the MCP655. Neither has a built in res, but you can get aftermarket res/tops for both. A couple of bay res's for the 655 actually allow you to integrate the pump into the res. Even the MCP355 with a top would perform well enough for your loop, if you really wanted to go that route. It's all preference. There are other brands of pumps, but the Laing DDC/D5 versions of these are used a lot.

The Apogee XT Extreme is a pretty good block and you wouldn't be disappointed. Would others perform better? Perhaps...how much? Likely not a whole lot. I'm still using my D-tek v2 on mine for a while, now.

As for radiators...the MCR320's pretty common for price/performance. You just have to look...some have the reservoir built in, some have a pump, etc. Which ones are you looking at? I got mine at Petra's Tech Shop for about $53 each.

Edit: Looks like they are cheaper now...$50.
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcqposerab1.html

Edit Edit: Just noticed something..."Ports and Mounting: M3.5 threaded fan and case-mounting holes, 1/4" NPSM ports

Edit Edit Edit: FrozenCPU has the newer ones with G1/4:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5795/ex-rad-121/Swiftech_MCR320_Quiet_Power_Triple_120mm_Radiator_-_Black_MCR320-QP-K.html?tl=g30c95s161

Maybe those at Petra's are on sale because of this. Just make sure you are getting G1/4; it will make life easier. Nylon barbs would likely work with the older version, but its up to you."

Most watercooling components use G1/4. You could use this rad, but you'll need some different barbs as most regular ones won't thread these correctly. I'll check around...I heard they were supposed to be going G1/4.
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a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 8:16:02 PM

I did some measuring in my case just now.
The 2 rear fans take up 36cm in length, and there's an additional 5cm behind them (give or take a few mm).
In terms of height, I would have 11cm to work with if I remove the 2 fans, meaning I could do the MCR320 Stackable with 120x25mm fans in between.

Would that be effective compared to one triple rad? It would be a very exact fit, but I think it could work. I'd definitely need to do some rewiring, but I need a slightly bigger PSU anyway, so may as well throw that in then.

@Rubix - what kind of drive bay solutions exist for the pump/res? I'd like to minimize space if possible. I may choose the MCP35x due to the smaller form factor.

Is there a cheaper CPU block that you guys would recommend? Otherwise I'll probably stick with the Apogee XT, simply because it'll get the job done for a low price.
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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 8:37:41 PM

MCP355 is the same thing as the Laing DDC.

MCP655 is the same as Laing D5.
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a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 8:47:49 PM

Gotcha. I found a dual-bay res that will hold the MCP655. I may go with that one, since I can't find a bay res for the mcp35x.
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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 8:48:44 PM

Yeah, I don't think there are bay res's for it yet...there are several cylindrical top/res's though.
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a b K Overclocking
January 28, 2011 9:14:22 PM

Would the MCR320 with the built in res work well? I feel like it either won't fit in the case or won't have enough fluid. I can get the with-res version on jab-tech.com for less than the non-res version on frozencpu.com. Of course, I can get the non-res version on jab-tech for much less than both.
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a b K Overclocking
January 29, 2011 1:54:23 AM

How should my loop run? Can I have the fluid T-off and run one loop to the GPUs and triple rad, and the CPU to a single rad mounted on the top 120mm fan in the case, and then come together again before entering the reservoir again?
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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 29, 2011 2:00:57 AM

Ok, let me get to both of your last posts.

1. The 320 with the res would work like the ones without...it simply will take up more room due to increased size. If you are planning on having a regular res anyway, skip it. I'm not sure what you mean about the part where it won't have enough fluid.

2. Loop can run in any order; just try to keep the res feeding the pump inlet, and higher elevation so gravity keeps air out when filling/priming the loop.

The "T" question; you are meaning parallel splits in your loop. No...keep everything serial...in a single chain...one after another. Splitting a line will make flow rates drop.

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a b K Overclocking
January 29, 2011 2:10:38 AM

rubix_1011 said:

1. The 320 with the res would work like the ones without...it simply will take up more room due to increased size. If you are planning on having a regular res anyway, skip it. I'm not sure what you mean about the part where it won't have enough fluid.


I don't know how big the reservoir in the radiator would be, but it probably isn't as big as a regular res. The specs sheet didn't list an increased size, though. The regulars are cheaper though ;) 

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2. Loop can run in any order; just try to keep the res feeding the pump inlet, and higher elevation so gravity keeps air out when filling/priming the loop.

The "T" question; you are meaning parallel splits in your loop. No...keep everything serial...in a single chain...one after another. Splitting a line will make flow rates drop.


I plan on putting the drive bay res/pump in one of the top sets of 5.25 bays anyway, but I'll keep the air bubbles thing in mind.

I understand that the parallel split will drop the flow rate, but since the MCP 655 can push 5.3 GPM, wouldn't that be enough?
Or as an alternative, should I run the line from Pump -> GPU1 -> GPU2 -> triple rad -> CPU -> single rad -> res -> pump? The GPUs are the primary concern anyway.
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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 29, 2011 2:21:12 AM

I'd really say the rad/res combo is for someone who wants a compact setup...someone not using a res elsewhere.

If you are doing the bay res, yes, skip the rad/res combo radiators.

Still...I and most other watercooling users say no to parallel. Bad move, its been tried, lousy success compared to serial setups.

Again, loop order really doesn't matter...just try to keep the res -> pump order and the res higher than the pump inlet. Air bubbles are a pump's worst enemy.

Many people go:

res > pump > CPU > GPU(s) > rad(s) >

Putting a radiator between CPU/GPUs won't really make a huge difference since your loop water temps will be within 5-8C difference about anywhere in the loop. The concept doesn't seem like it's possible or ideal at first, but trust me, the more you stop and think about the actual science involved, it all makes sense. This is discussed in great detail in some of the links I've listed in my sig and is often argued by people that don't even watercool.

It's a fun hobby that performs great and looks cool as hell.

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a b K Overclocking
January 29, 2011 12:06:15 PM

Should I just switch around the loop so that it goes:
res -> pump -> CPU -> GPUs -> triple rad (bottom) -> single rad (top) -> res?

As minimal as the gain from the single rad is, it would just be an extra yard in tubing and another single rad. It can attach to the top 120mm, because the rads for the Corsair H50/H70 can attach to it.

As for air, does it get in the system any other way besides being there before filling the system? Could I fill the system outside of the case and then put it inside full of fluid to prevent the air from rising up to where the single rad would be (highest point)? I'm obviously going to test it outside of the rig, since I don't want stuff to short accidentally.
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a b K Overclocking
January 29, 2011 12:09:18 PM

Oh, and any recommendations on coolant, tubing, etc? I hear that distilled water is the best thing, and to drop in some anti-fungal.

Could you explain what barbs and compression fittings are? I just don't understand them since I don't have one to hold in my hand and look at.
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a c 337 K Overclocking
January 29, 2011 3:29:29 PM

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As minimal as the gain from the single rad is, it would just be an extra yard in tubing and another single rad. It can attach to the top 120mm, because the rads for the Corsair H50/H70 can attach to it.


I don't follow you here. Depending on what you are going to end up cooling (did you go through reading those links and getting an understanding of what you'll need?) you shouldn't even consider a single 1x120 rad anywhere in your loop. I think you have some misunderstandings about what is needed to dissipate heat from two 470's and potentially your CPU if you decide on that.

At a very MINIMUM, you should allocate 1.5x of 1x120 worth of radiator in your loop for each CPU or GPU in your loop. 2x120 for each is a better bet.

Yes, distilled is the best, the cheapest and with killcoils or biocide, is what most people use. 'Coolant's will do no better than water.

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Could you explain what barbs and compression fittings are? I just don't understand them since I don't have one to hold in my hand and look at.


This is covered in many of the links I've posted. Google also works well for questions about the unknown... :/ 

Barbs:http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g30/c407/s1030/list/p1/Liquid_Cooling-Fittings-Barbs-12_ID_Barbs-Page1.html

Compression fittings:http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g30/c409/s1033/list/p1/Liquid_Cooling-Fittings-Compression-12_ID_Compression-Page1.html
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