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Larrabee not due til early 2010

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http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16931
It appears for DT not til January or so

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I don't think anybody will be surprised. Actually I think a lot of people might be surprised that intel have narrowed it down to Q1 2010.

intel have a lot of money for sure, but look at what else they are doing. Fusing cpu + gpu for the first time, while adding a die shrink on top - and that is supposed to be due in what, 3 months time? They can't even make a decent igp after 10 years of trying their best.

Larrabee will be great one day, but I can't see how it can compete with a 5xxx or g300. 32 core x86 architecture gpgpu? It all looks like fantasy to me tbh.

Reply to jennyh

Rumors go that LRB will first release as a gpgpu type unit, for specialization for certain apps/problems, then later we will see the DT version, drivers included.
To me, it depends on a couple of things. Heat/power and how well itll do things in SW, having very few fixed function units for its job. The Heat/Power issue is primarily why LRB is looked at to be much more in its second iteration at 32nm, where higher clocks and more cores will enable it to be much more competitive.

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Imo heat is the real issue. onboard igp's get really hot, that's why they have their own heatsinks even though they are relatively weak compared to the rest of the system.

I just can't see how fusing an igp with a cpu won't create horrendous heat. intel are going 45nm gpu with 32nm cpu parts - that's another first surely? Combining two different levels of tech on one die?

Add to that, a die shrink isn't as simple as just shrinking a die in reality. Now Larrabee on top of that, a completely new thing built from the ground up and with intels history...Both of these things are huge deals, and if anyone can pull it off it's intel, but jeez it's asking a lot even of them.

As for fusing larrabee with cpu, I just don't see how that will be possible for at least another 2 years minimum.

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What I really mean is, if intel pull this off (both aspects) then Nvidia and AMD might as well give up.

Reply to jennyh

Ya but what if lb turns out to be a monster and can run any game maxed out with insane fps... Intel monopoly on graphics. Amd and Nvidia will be making there lb copys....this is just a random what if I thought of but really I doubt lb will be any good.

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I'm hoping larrabee will be rubbish for the reason I mentioned above. If it's any good at all then AMD and Nvidia might as well look for a new industry to work in.

Reply to jennyh

Perhaps this is why Intel have been making crappy IGPs for years. They just wanted to make an entrance that nobody will forget. :lol:

Reply to randomizer

First of all, theres a few things to be pointed out. The first iteration simply wont be at the top, maybe the second , but not the first. Secondly, since Intel will already be using its best process available, by the time the second iteration of LRB comes out, so too will ATI and nVidia be using HKMG, and also the same process, so another die shrink, plus HKMG will have a profound effect on GPUs IMHO, as itll reduce the thermals greatly, thereby giving both nVidia and ATI a huge boost in either die size or speed, or a compromise of the 2. In a way, itll be like having another die shrink all over again, and LRB just wont be able to catch up to this

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Reply to jaydeejohn

2010 Q1 is a long time, AMD will be close to 28nm by then so even if intel get to 32nm first they could be into a surprise when AMD's offering comes up with more transistors, and better specs overall.

Reply to Helloworld_98

Don't see why people are getting hooked up on the Heat-Power thing. Nobody, well nobody that understands these things (GPU's) is expecting this thing to be properly competitive straight out of the gate. If its too hot or too power hungry they will just massage the clocks to an acceptable level. Its been done before and will again.
When they do get it running right and it is clearly the best hardware to have it will be just like the old monolithic chip days. People wont care what power it takes or what heat it puts out as long as it gets the job done. I mean come on the 2900XT didn't really get the job done but it fits in both categories and people still bought it.

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Reply to mactronix

Heat becomes less an issue at the high end mostly/only, and thats why even when LRB has this issue taken care of, I said by then, nVidia and ATI will not only be on a smaller process as well, but also using HKMG.
Since the first iteration is not likely to challenge the highend, the second will have these improvements on the competitions gpus to also overcome

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Reply to jaydeejohn

intel should just have stuck to what they are really good at - making cpu's, probably make a 32 core cpu instead of a gpu.
Normally when people hear intel graphics, they get nauseous, therefore nobody will expect much of this thing.
A 32 core cpu instead of a gpu, now that would cause some excitement!

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