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April 25, 2009 6:08:36 AM

hi all , I just recently built my self a computer, but its not exactly up to par with what I want it to do with Crysis.

Here's what I have:

This Xclio Full tower Link----------> Xclio


2 gigs of Mushkin EPP compatible 800MHz RAM with 4-5-4-11 timings. I want 4.



Video card : EVGA 9800 GTX+ Superclocked edition 512MB Core Clock 756MHz Stream Processors 128 Memory Clock 2246MHz With RAMDAC 400 MHz

CPU : Windsor 5600+ 2.8 GHz wwith 2x 1Meg of L2 cache

Corsair 750TX Power supply (Chose this cuz it won so many rewards and I trust Corsair 5 year warranty! =D)

And a ASUS Crosshair 590Sli Motherboard

Oh yeah, and a 80 gig WD Caviar >.< HDD. It's got almost nothing on it besides Crysis and Time shift.


I want to play Crysis on all High settings at 1920x1200. with 4x AA.

Right now during vids I get stair stepping and when I play it Definitely hates AA.

So what should I upgrade? Any Ideas? I wont replace the processor unless it has a meg of cache per core. and the motherboard wont be replaced unless I get a 790FX which I dont have money for.

Should I jsut get another of my Card to SLI? Or should I get a more advanced card like the GTX260 or above?

Budget: Video card $200 - $300 max. RAM $100

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April 25, 2009 6:29:56 AM

Gin Fushicho said:


CPU : Windsor 5600+ 2.8 GHz wwith 2x 1Meg of L2 cache

And a ASUS Crosshair 590Sli Motherboard

I want to play Crysis on all High settings at 1920x1200. with 4x AA.

So what should I upgrade? Any Ideas? I wont replace the processor or motherboard if that helps your answers.


/facepalm


You can upgrade your RAM to 4GB and upgrade the GPU to a GTX 260 core 216, but there's no guarantee the CPU won't bottleneck it to the point where it's not happening.

April 25, 2009 7:17:41 AM

Gin Fushicho said:
hi all , I just recently built my self a computer, but its not exactly up to par with what I want it to do with Crysis.

Here's what I have:

This Xclio Full tower Link----------> Xclio


2 gigs of Mushkin EPP compatible 800MHz RAM with 4-5-4-11 timings. I want 4.



Video card : EVGA 9800 GTX+ Superclocked edition 512MB Core Clock 756MHz Stream Processors 128 Memory Clock 2246MHz With RAMDAC 400 MHz

CPU : Windsor 5600+ 2.8 GHz wwith 2x 1Meg of L2 cache

Corsair 750TX Power supply (Chose this cuz it won so many rewards and I trust Corsair 5 year warranty! =D)

And a ASUS Crosshair 590Sli Motherboard

Oh yeah, and a 80 gig WD Caviar >.< HDD. It's got almost nothing on it besides Crysis and Time shift.


I want to play Crysis on all High settings at 1920x1200. with 4x AA.

Right now during vids I get stair stepping and when I play it Definitely hates AA.

So what should I upgrade? Any Ideas? I wont replace the processor or motherboard if that helps your answers.


What's your budget ?
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April 25, 2009 3:40:25 PM

Why_Me said:
What's your budget ?
For the video card I would prefer it was around $200 But if you Really think I should get a GTX275 then I could be swayed to get it. As for the other stuff I'd say it depends on how much I spend o the video card, but around 100 bucks. I 1st gotta find a way to get the money though, As I just recently got out of High school. Thanks for asking about the budget btw. =)
April 25, 2009 3:42:15 PM

your cpu and motherboard will bottleneck the *** out of your pc.
April 25, 2009 3:42:16 PM

Proximon said:
/facepalm


You can upgrade your RAM to 4GB and upgrade the GPU to a GTX 260 core 216, but there's no guarantee the CPU won't bottleneck it to the point where it's not happening.


The RAM was a given. ;P If you suggest a core 216 then I could go with that , and if you can point me to another CPU with a meg of cache per core then I'll buy it.
April 25, 2009 3:43:41 PM

Helloworld_98 said:
your cpu and motherboard will bottleneck the *** out of your pc.

Again, point me to a CPU with a meg of cache per core. ;P But I understand the board thing, I just cant afford a 790FX. And thats the only Chipset I'd be willing to jump to from a 590.
April 25, 2009 3:48:46 PM

why not a GX?

you aren't getting trifire from that PSU unless it's with 4830's.
April 25, 2009 3:52:09 PM

Helloworld_98 said:
why not a GX?

you aren't getting trifire from that PSU unless it's with 4830's.


Hmn , I havnt really thought of that , does it do SLI 16x ? Because I do in the future want to SLI. or even , would SLI'ing the video cards I have now be a good idea? or should I just get a GTX260 instead? I'm not sure what would be better for my money.
April 25, 2009 8:11:24 PM

Gin Fushicho said:
Again, point me to a CPU with a meg of cache per core. ;P But I understand the board thing, I just cant afford a 790FX. And thats the only Chipset I'd be willing to jump to from a 590.


Someone has fed you a line. Your CPU is old and nearing the point of obsolescence.

Here's some actual benchmarks for you:
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=770&p=7


April 26, 2009 8:19:45 PM

Proximon said:
Someone has fed you a line. Your CPU is old and nearing the point of obsolescence.

Here's some actual benchmarks for you:
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=770&p=7


How is 69 frames per second obsolete when we cant see over 30? Not only that but games are more GPU dependent then CPU dependent , I also dont use ATI for much , I have one system with ATI 4870 but I prefer Nvida. My friend has a GTX 260 FTW and I have not seen any game he plays EVEN Crysis at max settings at 1680x1050 go below 40fps.

And I'm looking for something thats not going to make me bankrupt , I just got out of highschool , read the 1st post. I want mid-range parts, not High end stuff that will go down in price and value in 2-4 months.
April 26, 2009 8:42:22 PM

double your ram

since you already have a 9800gtx+ look at geting a second one
i usaly don't like sli but

cpu: only thing you got is the kuma duel cores but they won't be much better



honestly man you screwed up your upgrade path
April 26, 2009 8:42:29 PM

The point of that link was not about GPUs. It was about the relative speed of the CPUs.

You can get improvement wherever you put your money, yes. I'm trying to demonstrate where it would be wisest to put your money.

Average frame rates are not what you most notice in an under-performing system. Minimum frame rates are what gets you, and these are strongly affected by memory and CPU.

You already own a 9800GTX+. It's a fairly strong card.

For $400 you could dramatically improve performance by upgrading these parts:

E8400 and Gigabyte UD3R combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

G.Skill PI Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Xigmatek Dark Knight CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

April 26, 2009 10:19:29 PM

Proximon said:
The point of that link was not about GPUs. It was about the relative speed of the CPUs.

You can get improvement wherever you put your money, yes. I'm trying to demonstrate where it would be wisest to put your money.

Average frame rates are not what you most notice in an under-performing system. Minimum frame rates are what gets you, and these are strongly affected by memory and CPU.

You already own a 9800GTX+. It's a fairly strong card.

For $400 you could dramatically improve performance by upgrading these parts:

E8400 and Gigabyte UD3R combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

G.Skill PI Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Xigmatek Dark Knight CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



1) I'm not an overclocker , 2) Your asking me to upgrade to something thats already what I have except its Intel instead of AMD , AND that Gskill doesnt have EPP , PLUS , The motherboard is a downgrade. <.<

it only runs one video cards ,the SLI on MY board is capable of 16x by 16x.

your makeing me spend more money for a 100MHz and 4 more megs of SHARED L2 cache , plus I'm using XP and the Mushkin I got is D9 chips and its only 30 bucks for 2 more gigs.

and , Read the 1st post , I wanna play Crysis! Not Quake , and Crysis is geared towards Nvidia not ATI.

I would want at least a 30% gain for that price.

I dont wanna deal with fanboys. go away.
April 26, 2009 10:29:44 PM

ke7diz said:
double your ram

since you already have a 9800gtx+ look at geting a second one
i usaly don't like sli but

cpu: only thing you got is the kuma duel cores but they won't be much better



honestly man you screwed up your upgrade path
Thats okay I plan on keeping a normal Dual core I'm useing XP. Thanks for thinking. =)
April 27, 2009 1:16:48 AM

I wanna play Crysis! Not Quake , and Crysis is Nvidia not ATI.


that makes on sense at all
April 27, 2009 1:42:15 AM

Does the Crosshair support Phenom II? It would be a worthy upgrade, especially if he considers SLI. SLI and that Windsor is fail (ok, maybe if he does SLI with 2 9500GTs he'd be fine).
April 27, 2009 1:54:23 AM

ke7diz said:
I wanna play Crysis! Not Quake , and Crysis is Nvidia not ATI.


that makes on sense at all


Yeah, sorry my bad I was upset at the time. I meant to say I'm useing an Nvidia card , but that he gave me ATI benchmarks which have little to do with my CPU , not to mention my GPU.
April 27, 2009 1:56:06 AM

randomizer said:
Does the Crosshair support Phenom II? It would be a worthy upgrade, especially if he considers SLI. SLI and that Windsor is fail (ok, maybe if he does SLI with 2 9500GTs he'd be fine).


I could Always Overclock my CPU , lol. But no it doesnt , There has been rumors for a BIOS update to support PhenomII but so far none yet. Maybe I should just buy a GTX 260 and use my 9800 GTX+ as my PhysX card?
April 27, 2009 2:08:52 AM

You could overclock, but you're still at an architectural disavantage that overclocking won't overcome. For crysis the differnece won't be as noticeable as other games because the GPU is the usual bottleneck (unless you run single core, then forget anything over 30FPS max), but where your problem lies is moving from one card to two. Your CPU won't be able to provide enough data for those two monsters to keep working on and your framerate increase will be minimal (and if worst comes to worst, negative).

A single GTX260 should be ok, but I wouldn't aim any higher. PhysX is fine if you can find a decent game that uses it, which doesn't include Crysis.
April 27, 2009 2:20:31 AM

randomizer said:
You could overclock, but you're still at an architectural disavantage that overclocking won't overcome. For crysis the differnece won't be as noticeable as other games because the GPU is the usual bottleneck (unless you run single core, then forget anything over 30FPS max), but where your problem lies is moving from one card to two. Your CPU won't be able to provide enough data for those two monsters to keep working on and your framerate increase will be minimal (and if worst comes to worst, negative).

A single GTX260 should be ok, but I wouldn't aim any higher. PhysX is fine if you can find a decent game that uses it, which doesn't include Crysis.


Thanks for the advice , I think I'll just buy a GTX 260 or maybe if its cheap enough a 275. =) Also just as a quick quesion , how would I go about selling my 9800 GTX+ if I wanted too? ^^;
April 27, 2009 2:48:17 AM

randomizer said:
eBay :D 

Oh noes, something I dont know how to use , lol. I never did trust Ebay , but I guess I can put it up either for auction or at a set price.
April 27, 2009 3:09:42 AM

eBay is ok if you're the seller. Just make sure you get paid and THEN ship it out. Only problem is when people don't pay, but at least you can relist. It's the fees I hate.
April 27, 2009 3:17:17 AM

I think I may have a friend who wants to buy it, his CPU isnt as good as mine. ^^; But he also wanted a GTX260 ,cant hve it with only a 5200+ , lol. And I just noticed why your so nice , and patient. ;P
April 27, 2009 3:26:02 AM

Gin Fushicho said:
I think I may have a friend who wants to buy it, his CPU isnt as good as mine. ^^; But he also wanted a GTX260 ,cant hve it with only a 5200+ , lol.

Well you could but it wouldn't be optimal. I mean, you can use a Pentium D too but don't expect to get the full potential of the card. ;) 

Gin Fushicho said:
And I just noticed why your so nice , and patient. ;P

Why?
April 27, 2009 4:27:02 AM

randomizer said:
Well you could but it wouldn't be optimal. I mean, you can use a Pentium D too but don't expect to get the full potential of the card. ;) 


Why?


Cuz your an Admin. x3 You've been here long enough to need patience.

And your right he could use a Pentium D but yeah.... That wouldnt turn out good. lol.
April 27, 2009 5:36:31 AM

Moderator, there's a difference ;) 

And yea, that would turn out quite badly. The heat output from the PD would probably burn up the card :lol: 
April 27, 2009 5:40:15 AM

randomizer said:
Moderator, there's a difference ;) 

And yea, that would turn out quite badly. The heat output from the PD would probably burn up the card :lol: 


I'm personally satisfied with my 5600+ right now , I'm kinda just on the mid range of stuff anyway. If I had 2 grand to spend I'd build something more worthy of peoples opinions. lol. apparently that guy I got pissed at (which I'm sorry for) , Thinks that the more money you spend the better your stuff is. But yeah , I dont plan on getting anything too nice until 6 core processors or Octocores come out.
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