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OCZ Agility 2 vs Intel X-25m

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I've been looking at these two drives lately. And based on numbers the OCZ one seems faster, correct? But there's got to be a reason the intel one is so much more expensive. Yes, the intel does have more storage, but that can't be worth double the price when the drives read/write speeds are that much slower?

Here is the exact drives i'm looking at:

Intel X-25m

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

OCZ Agility 2

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227543


Message edited by ericb11 on 12-08-2010 at 03:33:54 AM
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What do you care more about? Being an Intel fanboy? Or getting better performance value for the amount of storage you're purchasing?

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I care about which one is better, I have friends that have used old OCZ drives, and Intel drives, and most people say that Intel's are always much better. So I'm trying to figure out which drive is better. Since to me they cost the same price (intel retail edge program), but the intel drive actually gives me more storage, but slower read/write speeds...is there something else i'm missing where intel's could out perform the OCZ?


Message edited by ericb11 on 12-07-2010 at 07:52:09 AM
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Are you planning on buying an "old OCZ drive" as you put it? You're trying to compare previous generation OCZ SSD's which used slower controllers like the Indilinx Barefoot controller so of course the Intel drives outperformed them.

The OCZ Agility 2 uses SandForce’s SF-1200 controller. The Intel X-25-M G2 beats this OCZ model only in 4KB Random Reads & Writes.

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As far as I can tell, Intel x25-m 160GB is same as 120GB model, except with extra capacity. I have no idea why it cost double for only 40GB more space.

Get the OCZ Vertex 2, which is later version of Agility. It performs better than Intel in the same price range.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227551

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ko888 wrote :

Are you planning on buying an "old OCZ drive" as you put it? You're trying to compare previous generation OCZ SSD's which used slower controllers like the Indilinx Barefoot controller so of course the Intel drives outperformed them.

 

The OCZ Agility 2 uses SandForce’s SF-1200 controller. The Intel X-25-M G2 beats this OCZ model only in 4KB Random Reads & Writes.

 


I am not planning on getting an old OCZ drive, but what I was wondering is if anything makes the intel better than just numbers, for example like you stated the sandforce controller, something like that was more of a response I was looking for instead of the traditional intel fanboy attitude response.

 


Also, what makes the Vertex better than Agility 2? seems like they're the same specs, just Agility 2 has a higher starting price?


Message edited by ericb11 on 12-07-2010 at 09:49:32 AM
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ko888 wrote :

The OCZ Agility 2 uses SandForce’s SF-1200 controller. The Intel X-25-M G2 beats this OCZ model only in 4KB Random Reads & Writes.



The value of the X-25M's superior 4KB random read times shouldn't be underestimated, as this is what will be used most frequently in day-to-day use for starting up the OS and applications. Although I could be mistaken, I assume you'll be using a secondary drive for storage, so you won't be writing to the SSD all that often.

Overall, the Agility 2 might be the better performer, but in the one area that counts most the X-25M comes out on top. Is it worth twice as much to pay for better performance and 40GB extra storage? Perhaps, particularly if you have a lot of apps/games you want to throw on the SSD without having to worry about managing things too much. But, I imagine you'll be happy with either drive.

You may also want to look at the Crucial RealSSD C300 128 GB:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820148362

It's slightly larger than the Agility 2, costs much less than the X25-M, and significantly beats both the Agility 2 and the X25-M in 4KB random read times, which, practically speaking, I again think is the most important benchmark.


Message edited by src1425 on 12-07-2010 at 05:25:54 PM
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Thanks for all the info on in this thread

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Voted "Best of the Best" by Maximum PC magazine
OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G 2.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

* 2.5"
* 120GB
* SATA II

* Sequential Access - Read: up to 285MB/s
* Sequential Access - Write: up to 275MB/s
* Power Consumption (Active): 2W
* Power Consumption (Idle): 0.5W
* Model #: OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G
* Item #: N82E16820227551
* Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy

$229.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

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You'll find benchmarks for all of the above SSDs at:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/SSD/65

For example, here are the 4kb random read benchmarks I was referencing:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/SSD [...] 26.151.152

Also, unless you need to purchase immediately, Intel is supposed to drop its new G3 drives in Q1, which may force prices down.

------------------------------ i5 2500K | ASUS P8Z68-V Pro | 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1600| Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 1GB x 2| Crucial RealSSD C300 128GB | WD Caviar Black 500GB | CM Hyper 212 Plus | Seasonic x750 Gold | CM690 II Advanced | Asus VW246H 24"
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229 us dollars for 120GB??? looool what are ppl in USA thinking with that u can buy 2TB of normal HD, i will wait more, those drive are too costly

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Including OS, apps/games, and data, I only use about 160 GB, so 2 TB would be a waste for me. Once you've experienced the speeds of SSD, however, there's no going back. I wouldn't consider a new system without it, but your needs may be different and that's perfectly fine.

------------------------------ i5 2500K | ASUS P8Z68-V Pro | 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1600| Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 1GB x 2| Crucial RealSSD C300 128GB | WD Caviar Black 500GB | CM Hyper 212 Plus | Seasonic x750 Gold | CM690 II Advanced | Asus VW246H 24"
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src1425 wrote :

Including OS, apps/games, and data, I only use about 160 GB, so 2 TB would be a waste for me. Once you've experienced the speeds of SSD, however, there's no going back. I wouldn't consider a new system without it, but your needs may be different and that's perfectly fine.



as i see u like to play u should be wasting that money in a better videocard not in SSD drive :non:

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Which is why I'll be adding a second 4850 when I do my new build in January, but we really shouldn't hijack the thread from the OP.

------------------------------ i5 2500K | ASUS P8Z68-V Pro | 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1600| Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 1GB x 2| Crucial RealSSD C300 128GB | WD Caviar Black 500GB | CM Hyper 212 Plus | Seasonic x750 Gold | CM690 II Advanced | Asus VW246H 24"
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re-play- wrote :

229 us dollars for 120GB??? looool what are ppl in USA thinking with that u can buy 2TB of normal HD, i will wait more, those drive are too costly


your prerogative..
where are you, seems your living in past times still..

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re-play- wrote :

as i see u like to play u should be wasting that money in a better videocard not in SSD drive :non:


he might get both, you never know..

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malmental wrote :

your prerogative..
where are you, seems your living in past times still..



man just look at how cheap DDR3, HD, CPUs are cheap now in days, those hardware were costly
i wont waste money on SSD because of Performance, sacrifincing space WTF

i wont pay 229dollars for 120GB just because i want windows or games to load
WHAT??? 5secconds faster? LOOL
if that 120GB cost like 130-150 MAYBE just MAYBE, worst it


Message edited by re-play- on 12-08-2010 at 06:34:32 PM
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src1425 wrote :

Which is why I'll be adding a second 4850 when I do my new build in January, but we really shouldn't hijack the thread from the OP.



well u dont care about ur bills about electricity, or maybe ur mom pays that for u
4850 in crossfire are like a Dragon with 3head lol
u should sell that 4850 and buy 1 Hd6870

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@ re-play-
your prerogative.. :kaola:

  

Voted "Best of the Best" by Maximum PC magazine OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE90G 2.5" 90GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

 

* 2.5"
* 90GB
* SATA II

 

* Sequential Access - Read: up to 285MB/s
* Sequential Access - Write: up to 275MB/s
* Power Consumption (Active): 2W
* Power Consumption (Idle): 0.5W
* Model #: OCZSSD2-2VTXE90G
* Item #: N82E16820227611
* Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy

 

184.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product


Message edited by malmental on 12-08-2010 at 06:35:11 PM
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malmental what hardrives you running ?

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which system:
C2Q Q9505S (2.83GHz) Yorkfield
ASUS P5N7A-VM LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 9300/nForce 730i HDMI mATX
Scythe SCSK-1100 100mm Shuriken Rev. B 3 Heat Pipes CPU Cooler - AS5 thermal compound
4GB (2x2GB) Crucial DDR2 800MHz CL6 kit - CT2KIT25664AA80
ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
Western Digital VelociRaptor WD740HLFS 74GB 10000 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s

 

AMD Phenom II X3 740 Black Edition (3.0GHz) Heka
ASUS M3N78-EM AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8300 HDMI mATX
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Stock Heatsink Fan - AS5 thermal compound
4GB kit (2x2GB) Ballistix DDR2 1066MHz memory module - BL2KIT25664AA106A
MSI N450GTS CYCLONE 1GD5/OC GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
OCZ Technology 60 GB Vertex 2 Series SATA II
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB

 

and the other units are on seagate barracudas no RAID just boot and storage.


Message edited by malmental on 12-12-2010 at 07:18:09 PM
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The good news is that after an initial dip in performance, SSDs tend to level off..

 

Users typically notice that an SSD drive runs at the manufacturer's stated peak I/O performance at first, but soon after that it begins to drop. That's because, unlike a hard disk drive, any write operation to an SSD requires not one step, but two: an erase followed by the write.

 

When an SSD is new, the NAND flash memory inside it has been pre-erased; Users start with a clean slate, so to speak. But, as data is written to the drive, data management algorithms in the controller begin to move that data around the flash memory in an operation known as wear-leveling. Even though wear-leveling is meant to prolong the life of the drive, it can eventually lead to performance issues.

 

SSD performance and endurance are related. Generally, the poorer the performance of a drive, the shorter the lifespan. That's because the management overhead of an SSD is related to how many writes and erases to the drive take place. The more write/erase cycles there are, the shorter the drive's lifespan. Consumer-grade multi-level cell (MLC) memory can sustain from 2,000 to 10,000 write cycles. Enterprise-class single-level cell (SLC) memory can last through 10 times the number of write cycles of an MLC-based drive.

 

A brief refresher on the difference between the two technologies: SLC simply means one bit of data is written to each flash memory cell, while MLC allows two bits, or more, to be written to cells. MLC drives are notably less expensive than SLC drives.

 

Manufacturers moderate how long the flash memory in an SSD will last in several ways, but all involve either adding DRAM cache -- so data writes are buffered to reduce the number of write/erase cycles -- or using special firmware located in the drive's processor or controller to combine writes for efficiency.

 

According to Bob Merritt, an analyst with research firm Convergent Semiconductors, another element of SSD longevity is whether extra memory cells are available and, if so, how many. Some manufacturers over-provision storage, so that when blocks of flash memory wear out, additional blocks become available. For example, a drive may be listed as offering 120GB of memory, but may actually contain 140GB of capacity. The extra 20GB remains unused until it's needed.

 

The performance problems involving Intel's consumer-grade X25-M SSD were related to its wear-leveling algorithm.

 

At its most basic, wear-leveling algorithms are used to more evenly distribute data across flash memory so that no one portion wears out faster than another, which prolongs the life of whole drive. The SSD's controller in wear-leveling operations keeps a record of where data is set down on the drive as it's relocated from one portion to another.


Message edited by malmental on 12-12-2010 at 07:39:11 PM
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