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Fastest SSD for under $500 ?? Raid or not to RAID ??

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December 7, 2010 3:41:44 PM

Looking to replace system drive (currently velociraptor 10k) with a SSD for increased system performance.

I use my pc for fun.. and have many large hardrives and externals..

I need a ultra fast system drive for windows.

What is the best option?

SHould I get two 128 SSD's and do a RAID 0 ??

Or just get one larger one ???

What is the fastest?
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December 8, 2010 6:24:55 AM


Intel X25-V 40GB $110
Crucial RealSSD C300 64GB $145
Corsair Force 60GB $165
Kingston SSDNow V Series 128GB $200 to $300
Corsair Force 120GB $300 to $400
OCZ Agility 2 180GB $400 to $500
OCZ Agility 2 240GB $600 to $800
OCZ Agility 2 480GB over $1000
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December 8, 2010 5:56:58 PM

Thanks guise..

Any clear cut winner between the models you all suggested?

Is it true a larger SSD performs better?
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December 9, 2010 10:36:21 AM

so larger is not just bigger but also better performance.

I should then get a larger vs two smaller drives in RAID 0 ??
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December 9, 2010 3:57:38 PM

Yes. One large and no RAID.

However, you might want to wait until the next gen comes out. Everything may turn upside down. Besides, prices are dropping weekly if not daily. Wait for them to stabilize or you may regret your purchase when you see faster, larger drives for the same money.
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December 9, 2010 4:11:15 PM

How long should I wait?

What am I waiting for?
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December 9, 2010 4:24:48 PM

I don't mind waiting another month... if that is what is smart.

But at the same time... a few hundred bucks is not a big deal to me.

I am looking at two old raptors.. and about 3 normal drives on the shelf next to me now.

I spend a good amount of money on my system every year... and consider it a hobby.

I just want to see an increase in performance from my now velociraptor I am useing as my system drive.

I would keep my 1TB and my Two velociraptors in RAID 0 as storage... the raptors being for media and mp3... and the big boy for movies and such...
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December 9, 2010 6:56:50 PM

It is nice. An enviable storage position.

There's nothing wrong with buying now. The only question is what will happen when intel's G3 drives hit the market and sandforce s2000 series drives. Both should be here now (imho) but are due to be released in q1 2011. Which part of that quarter? January with sandybridge? March? That's the question.

And hey, maybe the impact will be minimal. Maybe the performance and price/gb will be relatively unchanged and current drives will ship for similar prices. The worst case scenario is that you spend $500 on a great drive and a greater drive comes out for $250. You still have a great drive.. no?

It's just information to muddy the waters. 2 raptors in raid0 are pretty darn ok. Its not like you're suffering as it is.
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December 10, 2010 11:37:41 AM

It all depends on your operating system.

The best SSD for XP appears to be the Kingston V+100 series.

The alternative seems to be the Intel G2 series.

Neither cares about partition alignment boundaries.
The V+100 uses potent garbage collection algorithms.
The G2 offers TRIM optimizing through special software.
The V+100 has much faster sequential writes, but is more expensive.
It is designed with XP users in mind.

The best value for 7 apparently in anything with a Sandforce controller.
These have no garbage collection as such, are TRIM-ready and are very fast.
OCZ offers 3-1/2" format for desktop users.

If Vista doesn't support TRIM, I would think it would also perform best
with the V+100 or the G2 as the drive starts to fill up.

Regards, tj

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December 12, 2010 12:22:42 AM

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no to the sandforce controller...



I'm curious to know why the "No." The Sandforce _should_ offer long life with cheap NAND
because of the miniscule write amplification thanks to Durawrite compression.

I would imagine the Kingston V+100 is $100 more than either the G2 or Vertex 2
because it would seem to require cherry-picked NAND to offer a 3-year warranty
despite atrocious write amplification.

Have you had bad luck with Sandforce?

tj
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December 12, 2010 11:22:51 AM

Mfusick said:
Thanks guise..

Any clear cut winner between the models you all suggested?

Is it true a larger SSD performs better?


For future proofing, I would go with the largest Crucial RealSSD C300
if you have SATA III.

If you have SATA II go with the OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE240G.

However, if you can wait for 2 months that would be better.
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December 12, 2010 1:36:57 PM

Mfusick said:
Looking to replace system drive (currently velociraptor 10k) with a SSD for increased system performance.

I use my pc for fun.. and have many large hardrives and externals..

I need a ultra fast system drive for windows.

What is the best option?

SHould I get two 128 SSD's and do a RAID 0 ??

Or just get one larger one ???

What is the fastest?


Well, and FWIW, I just did a Windows Experience (?) check on a brand new Windows 7 installation on a repartitioned and reformatted OCZ Vertex 2 128 SSD. It read 7.8 (out of 7.9). Also, FYI, my i7-950 and G-Skill 12gb returned 7.5 and the EVGA
GTX 285 7.3. But again, IMHO, your answer depends on your (unmentioned) OS and how full be the drive!

Regards, tj
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December 12, 2010 2:40:53 PM

tjesh said:
Well, and FWIW, I just did a Windows Experience (?) check on a brand new Windows 7 installation on a repartitioned and reformatted OCZ Vertex 2 128 SSD. It read 7.8 (out of 7.9). Also, FYI, my i7-950 and G-Skill 12gb returned 7.5 and the EVGA
GTX 285 7.3. But again, IMHO, your answer depends on your (unmentioned) OS and how full be the drive!

Regards, tj


my 10k velociraptor achieves those scores now....

Your not helping me... lol
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December 12, 2010 2:41:37 PM

mark_k said:
For future proofing, I would go with the largest Crucial RealSSD C300
if you have SATA III.

If you have SATA II go with the OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE240G.

However, if you can wait for 2 months that would be better.


I don't think I have SatA III...

What is the difference?

Can you explain this more?
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December 12, 2010 2:44:42 PM

Mfusick said:
I don't think I have SatA III...

What is the difference?

Can you explain this more?


SATA III is the new faster port. 6 GB instead of the SATA II 3 GB.

What MOBO do u have?
I will lookup the specs and let u know.
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December 12, 2010 3:25:39 PM

I just did the signature that explains my system...

click the banner for system details from CPUZ
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December 12, 2010 4:23:57 PM

Mfusick said:
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1532226

my system.


advice appreaciated



You have SATA II go with the OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE240G.

However, if you can wait for 2 months that would be better as there will be faster SATA II SSDs.
In the mean time keep reading as much as you can on line and watch for new relesases in a few weeks or months

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December 13, 2010 11:11:56 AM

Quote:
Voted "Best of the Best" by Maximum PC magazine
OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE240G 2.5" 240GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

* 2.5"
* 240GB
* SATA II

* Sequential Access - Read: up to 285MB/s
* Sequential Access - Write: up to 275MB/s
* Power Consumption (Active): 2W
* Power Consumption (Idle): 0.5W
* Model #: OCZSSD2-2VTXE240G
* Item #: N82E16820227552
* Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy

$449.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Just curious malmental, How hot does the above OCZ Vertex 2 get (in layman's terms - really hot; or not so bad)? Do you have it in a desktop or laptop, and is it going to get too hot to be the primary drive for a laptop that spends a lot of its time on my lap? Thanks! I'm considering this as a solution to all my problems... :-)
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December 13, 2010 12:00:20 PM

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I have it in a desktop with good cooling, not great cooling but really good set-up:

AMD Phenom II X3 740 Black Edition (3.0GHz) Heka
ASUS M3N78-EM AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8300 HDMI mATX
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Stock Heatsink Fan - AS5 thermal compound
4GB kit (2x2GB) Ballistix DDR2 1066MHz memory module - BL2KIT25664AA106A
MSI N450GTS CYCLONE 1GD5/OC GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
OCZ Technology 60 GB Vertex 2 Series SATA II
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB

SAMSUNG BLU-RAY COMBO 8X BLACK BD ROM/DVD WRITER
Apevia X-Qboii Black mATX Case (clear view) - (2) 80mm + (2) 120mm case fans / 3.5in card reader
Corsair Builder Series CX500 500-Watt Power Supply

it's my boot drive and I never have had an issue with it heat or any other thus far..


That sounds pretty sick. I've been reading reviews and debating whether I should pick one of these up or wait a couple months and try and get something bigger for the same price. Its for the only drive in my laptop, which is my primary computer, so its only a matter of time before I fill it--and I'd really prefer a 512GB--but I can't go back to HDD now. I'm running a Samsung SLC 64GB SSD now with an additional Expresscard 64GB SSD for my overflow, so this would be a huge improvement.

I'm not really sure what the main differences are between the OCZ Vertex 2, OCZ Agility 2 and OCZ Onyx 2. Newegg's selling them for $449, $399, and $445 --> all 240GB models.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Any idea what advantage, if any, the Vertex 2 has over the Agility 2 for the extra $50?
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December 17, 2010 9:55:08 PM

1832884,27,377426 said:
You have SATA II go with the OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE240G.

However, if you can wait for 2 months that would be better as there will be faster SATA II SSDs


I don't think you will see SATA II SSD, which are significantly faster than the Vertex 2, so no point in waiting on that count. Vertex 2 is pushing up near the limits of SATA II

If SF2000 drives are anywhere near as fast as promised -- in the 300 to 500 range -- they will have to be SATA III, no?
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December 20, 2010 1:23:21 PM

I don't have a SATA III board cabable...
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December 20, 2010 4:18:35 PM

Mfusick said:
I don't have a SATA III board cabable...


Your MOBO does not support SATA III / 6Gb/s.

However as malmetal has stated you can buy a SATA III SSD and run it on a SATA II but it will nly be at SATA II (3Gb/s) speed.
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December 20, 2010 4:33:43 PM

I think I am going with the OCZ 120gig ....

My choice now is 3.5" or 2.5" size. hmmmm ???

Thoughts???

Also- I need a good 500gig to 1.5TB drive for storage. I plan to keep my current velociraptor for keeping my Itunes folder and alternate folders for downloads, documents ect...

for long term storage... and for movies and stuff I need a big fast drive.

Someone said the samsung is good ??? better than WD ?
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December 20, 2010 4:41:22 PM

If desktop 3.5" is the natural choice. They are identical drives they just have a different box around them.

I like WD black (especially the 2tb) but samsung f3 seems popular.
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December 20, 2010 4:46:08 PM

if the 2.5" comes with adapter for 3.5" installation then that seems a no brainer as I could use it either 2.5" or 3.5" slots...

I have a thermaltake armor case... full size. It's huge!!! So I got room even with my 4 drives now... lol.

I am pretty sure I could install to either bay actually... I might have one of each spare.

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December 20, 2010 4:48:42 PM

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agreed with 3.5" purchase.
the WD I would get is the 10K if not getting that then the Samsuung F3 is it.


F3 is the newest and fastest???

I have a 10k velociraptor now... gonna keep it for my documents and music folders in the 120gig SSD vertex 2 system.

I just need to replace my current WD 750gig SATA with something a little bigger/faster as I plan to put that in the other system I have.

I see WD blue, Green, black ect... but I have no clue what that means.

Does WD make a 10k big drive?? Like 1tb?

And what samsungs are fastest/newest ????

Good place to purchase ???
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December 20, 2010 5:07:47 PM

Thanks for those links Malmental but I just bought the 120gig vertex 2 from TigerDirect for $205 and I don't want to spend $200 plus on a storage drive.

I am going to keep my 300gig Velociraptor (10k) for the fast storage stuff like my documents, downloads, and My music.

I plan to replace my WD 750 gig SATAII with something a tad bigger and faster.. but I only want to spend $100.

How much is a spinpoint F series? Better than a WD black ?
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December 20, 2010 5:15:56 PM

sweet man ! Just what I was looking for!

Any reason to spend the extra 18$ on the westernDIG?

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December 20, 2010 5:31:26 PM

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RPM's....


Spend the $20 extra and get the 1.5TB 7200rpm ???

vs the Green WD 1.5TB for $59.99 which will change the speed to maximize powersavings ???

My main concern would be how long it takes to copy and past a folder or movie... as I will move movies to this drive for long term storage. Same with large folders.

If I past a 40 gig folder... I wonder what the speed difference would be before completion ???

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December 21, 2010 12:12:13 PM

???
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a b G Storage
December 22, 2010 2:01:32 AM

What happened here? WD green is slow. Would not have one in my desktop. It is a 5400rpm drive with seek times close to infinity. It does not change speed as far as I know. Use a wd black or samsung f3.
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December 27, 2010 12:39:47 PM

Thanks... NO Green for me
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a b G Storage
December 27, 2010 2:17:22 PM

Sorry we dropped out. The green drives are ok for storage. I use them in my nas. But I don't think I'd put them in my desktop.

Sure, cheap storage. Slow storage.

Cav black and sam f3s are 'enthusiast' storage. Greens and lps are slow and cheap and easy on power. Cav blues and almost any other drive are 'standard' storage.
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December 27, 2010 9:47:45 PM

new egg had some black refurbs really cheap.. I went with that.

I keep external back up of important stuff so failure is not a worry for me ... the refurbs were like 70% off the normal price
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a b G Storage
December 29, 2010 2:18:05 AM

Good call!
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December 30, 2010 1:39:48 AM

I'm surprised nobody has recommended any PCI Express SSDs yet. Any one of the brand name PCI Express booting drives would crush the very fastest SATA III SSD - yes even the SATA III CrucialReal SSD C300.

For under $500, this drive crushes anything SATA III is capable of.

OCZ RevoDrive X2 100GB
$429.99 on Newegg (December 29, 2010)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sequential Access - Read: up to 740MB/s
Sequential Access - Write: up to 690MB/s
Power Consumption (Active): 8.3W
Power Consumption (Idle): 4.3W
Sustained Write: up to 550 MB/s 4KB Random Write: 100,000 IOPS

Here is a benchmark that incorporates Vertex 2 drives, CrucialReal SSD C300, and about every other top-end SATA SSD.
Get ready to be blown away... :D 

ATTO Benchmark Results and Comparison with other top-tier SSDs.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=635&Itemid=60&limit=1&limitstart=6

The Cons for this unit: SiI3124 RAID controller lacks NCQ, SMART, and TRIM pass-through. So, yes in time this drive will deteriorate but by the time it does technology will have something much better utilizing those features. Not all motherboards support booting from a PCI express slot, though most newer models do. There is a link at the bottom of the page to find out if your motherboard is compatible.

Now before all of you get mad at me for dissing your recommended SSDs, let me make sure you understand the system requirements to use this drive.

- This drive is run off a PCI Express slot (4x, 8x, or 16x all work). So, if you only have 2 PCI x16 or x8 slots, say good bye to any SLI/Crossfire potential in the future without getting a different motherboard.
- Check to see if your Motherboard is on the compatibility list: http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?79264-revo-compatible-motherboard-list
-Your boot times will be about 15 seconds and nearly every application will open instantly.
-This drive is only useful if used as a boot drive
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December 30, 2010 2:07:04 AM

I was really excited when these came out. But, as you say. No TRIM, etc. So do we provision 20GB, hope it boots properly, and therefore buy a (functionally) 80GB ssd for $429 that takes 4 pci-e lanes? Not me. Not even a valid recommend in my world. Maybe for some...
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December 30, 2010 2:46:32 AM

adampower said:
I was really excited when these came out. But, as you say. No TRIM, etc. So do we provision 20GB, hope it boots properly, and therefore buy a (functionally) 80GB ssd for $429 that takes 4 pci-e lanes? Not me. Not even a valid recommend in my world. Maybe for some...


Adam, you misunderstood me. It takes 1 PCI E slot. That PCIe slot has to be at a speed of 4x, 8x, or 16x though. Please read it carefully ;-)

While the RevoDrive X2 may not have TRIM, it does have other utilities to make up the difference, i.e. garbage collection and other built in features. You will have a good 5+ years with this drive until any noticeable difference occurs and by then you will have built a new machine.

On a secondary note, you would get 93% of the stated capacity of this drive, as is the case with any SSD or Hard drive really. so... 93GB for this model.

I don't quite understand what you meant when you started saying provision 20GB and hoping it boots properly. If your motherboard is on the compatibility list and you have the latest BIOS update, you'll likely have a problem free setup. It's a perfect recommend my dear friend. You simply misunderstood the details. :) 

I'll do you an extra favor and do the research for you to find out if your motherboard is compatible.
Please provide the Manufacturer of your motherboard and model name.
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December 30, 2010 2:51:54 AM

Thank you for enlightening me. I meant to say that these pci-e drives were an exciting development but perhaps I'm not yet ready. Certainly my bank account has not grown ready yet.

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December 30, 2010 3:07:14 AM

Yea, I agree, they are pricey but you get what you pay for here!
I was about to buy a RevoDrive X2 but found that my motherboard, an ASUS M4A79XTD EVO is not compatible. That's ok though. I have two Vertex 2 60GB drives in my machine. They are fast enough... From the time I press my power button to the time I have a working desktop is 25 seconds. Everything else is virtually instant.

Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
Video Card: nVidia GTX 465
Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 965
Memory: G.Skill 6GB DDR3 1600
Motherboard: ASUS M4A79XTD EVO
Hard Drives: (2) Vertex 2 60GB, WD 320GB 7200RPM
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a b G Storage
December 30, 2010 12:55:06 PM

I love the sound of silence.
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