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April 26, 2009 12:07:13 PM

OK, this was in another thread, but it kind of got away from me, so here it is fresh and cleaned up. Thanks to Why_Me for advising parts. I changed a few things by upgrading for a few dollars. This is for video/photography/gaming:

GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R-SLI LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #:GA-EX58-UD3R-SLI $209.99 (for possible future SLI addition)
Item #:N82E16813128386

G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8TU-6GBPI - Retail
Cas Latency 8
Timing 8-8-8-21
Model #:F3-12800CL8TU-6GBPI $89.99 ($5 more than the 9-9-9-24)
Item #:N82E16820231247

COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #:RC-690-KKN1-GP $74.99
Item #:N82E16811119137

Scythe MUGEN-2 SCMG-2000 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail
Model #:SCMG-2000 $36.99
Item #:N82E16835185093

Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound - Retail
Model #:TX-2 $4.99
Item #:N82E16835154003

PNY VCGGTX260CXPB GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $167.99
Model #:VCGGTX260CXPB
Item #:N82E16814133270

LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH22NS30 - OEM
Model #:GH22NS30 $24.99
Item #:N82E16827136152

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM
Model #:66G-02141 $89.99
Item #:N82E16832116483

Subtotal: $699.92

Getting the recommended I7 (Intel Core i7 Processor i7-920-$265.99) and PSU (CORSAIR 750w TX Series 80 Plus Certified Power Supply-$105.74) from other source. This is all Newegg.

TOTAL $1071.65 and about $10 shipping (newegg).

What I would like to know is this. The mobo and the ram are the only things I deviated on. Am I still on track with those? Any mistakes? Warnings?

Also, is the SATA DVD burner necessary, or can I still use my IDE Ativa Lightscribe? Am I defeating the purpose of the new PC by keeping it? I can save $25 but not that big a deal if I need to replace it.

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April 26, 2009 12:47:23 PM

good build i only have miner changes


the old pata (ide, sata drives a technically Integrated Drive Electronics to) drive would work but the wider cables interfere with air flow. plus newer is usually better. so it would work but fore $25 or so i would get a new one if you can afford it.

like everyone 750w is way more than you need even if you plan on going sli later. http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine
this is a good site to determine your requirements. your build needs like 325w (note:fore efficiency you need your use to be around 25 to 75% of the psu maximum output) This psu got the anandtech thumbs up BFG Tech GS-550 550W $55
that all being said that corsair psu would serve you just fine


take a look at the ati 4870 1gb it lands in the same category as the 260 and may or may not be better in you situation depending on games and resolutions and such.

April 26, 2009 3:37:13 PM

ke7diz said:

like everyone 750w is way more than you need even if you plan on going sli later.

That doesn't sound right...I'm gonna have to wait and see if anyone else concurs with that.

take a look at the ati 4870 1gb it lands in the same category as the 260 and [b said:
may or may not be better in you situation depending on games and resolutions and such.]take a look at the ati 4870 1gb it lands in the same category as the 260 and may or may not be better in you situation depending on games and resolutions and such.
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That's $20 more. And if I did that, I could have gone with the $20 less crossfire only X58 LGA mobo. Again, gonna have to wait and what anyone else thinks about that.

This is the first time I've had anyone go in completely the other direction like that. Confusing.
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April 26, 2009 4:02:11 PM

no 750w is about right for an i7 and dual 260's.

don't forget that i7's use a lot more watts than C2Q's.

also the GTX 260 is best in your situation because it has CUDA which may or may not help in your apps. but a list of games would also help us choose between the two cards.

ans the CF only one can use the SLI boards bios so you can save yourself 20$ there.
April 26, 2009 4:08:40 PM

No problem keeping your IDE DVD burner - but you might look at getting a round IDE cable to keep your case looking neat on the inside if that's important to you.

Your PC will use less than 350watts with the parts you have listed now. Adding a 2nd GTX 260 will nudge it close to 500watts.
Here is a Core i7 920 OC'd to 3.8Ghz with a GTX 260 OC video card ( from Tweaktown review):


April 26, 2009 4:11:35 PM

don't forget to divide the PSU wattage by 100 then times by 80 to get the real wattage output.

it's best to keep it at 80 so even if you have an 85% efficient PSU you will still have some spare room.
April 26, 2009 4:12:54 PM

Helloworld_98 said:
it's best to keep it at 80 so even if you have an 85% efficient PSU you will still have some spare room.
huh? :pt1cable: 
April 26, 2009 7:42:06 PM

you can find a 4870 1gb at the same prices as a gtx260

and nothing really uses cubu so unless you have a app that uses it don't even worry about it.

i am not pointing out a hd4870 because the gtx260 is bad but it should be something to look
April 26, 2009 7:47:51 PM

Helloworld_98 said:

ans the CF only one can use the SLI boards bios so you can save yourself 20$ there.


What does that mean? What's CF?

Well this has left me just as confused as when I started. Everyone's saying the opposite of each other. How am I supposed to know who's right?
April 26, 2009 8:15:29 PM

every thing here is pretty much spliting hairs your original biuld was pretty good if there is no consensuses then it probably does not mater that much then

also look it up most of the time you can find references to the things that are being said
April 26, 2009 8:29:02 PM

Your PSU is fine. Especially if your wanting to do multi-GPU setup later. If you think you'll stick to a single card, you can step down to 600-650W, but for a gaming system I wouldnt go much lower than that.

As to GTX260 vs 4870, it really depends on which games you play and how good a deal you can get on each.
April 26, 2009 9:56:57 PM

B-Unit said:

As to GTX260 vs 4870, it really depends on which games you play and how good a deal you can get on each.


Does that mean that one card might be best for one game, but both cards will do overall? I don't have any specific game in mind, just wanna be able to actually PLAY one instead of fighting my PC the whole time as I do on my crappy Dell. Not looking for really high performance, just wanna build something I can not work on for a few years. I go about a decade between builds...I'm guessing this is overkill and that's what I want.
April 26, 2009 10:35:42 PM

madwand1 said:
Does that mean that one card might be best for one game, but both cards will do overall?
That's correct.
Some games play slightly better with a green (Nvidia) video card and some like a red (ATI) video card.
But at around the same price point, say $175 for example, each video card will be roughly equal in performance.

Here is a slightly better deal on a video card: XFX GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 it comes with a lifetime warranty vs 3yr warrant for the PNY card.
You can get it for $199.99, with $30 rebate and an extra 6% off.
April 27, 2009 12:29:20 AM

I think I'll pass it's almost the same price without the hassle of the rebate. I've never had occassion to use a warranty on a computer part before, if they last past the store warranty, they'll do just fine.

One last question on the Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM. I've seen people saying it wouldn't install on their blank didk and they had to install a lesser version first. Sounds like operator error to me. This should be a valid license to install on a fresh drive as it says, correct?
May 6, 2009 6:53:24 AM

Just got it mostly put together, don't have the HDD yet, I ordered a 500g something other. Booted up on the first try, temps are 34Cjust sitting there. I can't do anything else with it, so that's all I've got.

Love the components, especially the CM690! Awesome case.

I got a Win 7 build 7100 that hopefully is legit that I plan to try. That is, if my burn of the .ISO file to a DVD actually boots. Had trouble with that kind of thing before.

Only problem with the build is that there are tons of cables spilling out everywhere, almost couldn't close the case. I'll probably have to discard some of the 3.5" racks to stuff the cables in there.
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