Core i3 3.06 GHz vs Core 2 E8400: Clarkdale Benchmarked

Looks like I'll be sticking with the E8400 & Q9550 for a while longer if the final versions of these CPU's bench like this.

If this don't smell of rebrand then IDK what is, maybe a die shrink and some minor internal changes to make it fit on the new socket and new chipset but the performance is almost identical if not less...

The corei3 is a cut down version of the i5 with two cores and no hyper threading. It's like the celeron of the bunch but it's interesting that it hangs with the E8400. What I want to see is how the i5s and LGA 1156 i7s compare with current quad cores.

Also, the tests were probably done with Turbo Mode enabled, so that it ran at 3.33 GHz vs the 3 GHz Penryn.

I don't think the featuresets that differentiate i5 from i3 and Pentium are firm yet. As such, these ESs may or may not be reflective of the ultimate release. YMMV.

Purely from the multicore Cinebench scores, though, I suspect HT was enabled on these ESs-- although it's possible that it's purely a result of Turbo, as dattimr suggests.

I don't think so - the hyperthreading is fairly evident though from the multithreaded benchmarks.

Oh, and theholylancer, this definitely isn't rebranding. Rebranding is what Nvidia does, where the exact same item gets a new name. This is a CPU with hyperthreading, independent power planes for each core, an IMC, and some other minor core tweaks as well. It may also have an integrated PCI-E controller. It may have similar performance to the older model, but it certainly cannot be called a simple rebrand.

i dont think tyhey made this as a replacement for the 8 series, which is mid range right now, i3 is low end, and this test is done with a clarkdale, igp on board, so dont expect anything spectacular from these chips, and the version of the i3 that comes with 3.06 does not feature turbo.

http://www.techpowerup.com/100424/ [...] faces.html

That's assuming your chip is going to be limited by the motherboard, which isn't too likely. It'll be limited in clockspeed by itself, but I wouldn't be surprised if it routinely hit a solid 4.4Ghz.

As long as the IGP clocks separately from the main CPU core (which it should), there's no reason why the CPU shouldn't hit 4+GHz.

Heat is the reason. I'm thinking this is already one hot chip and the lack of turbo on these chips would be a good indication of that too.

Hmm maybe it is not a rebrand as nvidia does it, but they may be using Core 2 designs within it instead of the new neltheheme (can some one come up with a good short hand for it?) cores, looking at the performance numbers, it does look as if they simply did a socket change, added IMC, IMPcie, and IGP and call it a day. Then again, with all this changes, maybe it is a new design that is based on nelthehems that is new.

Certainly would bring up the el cheapo performance up tho, every mobo can have an IGP, that means we can see sub 50 dollar or even less (with less features from the ICH or w/e they call it) and just have the bare minimum to get a PC up and running for under 200 dollars!! Or under 300 with some performance/durability.

something like:

cpu (w igp) + mobo = 100 max
case+psu = 20-40
hdd = 30-50
ram = 10-20
add rest in as you please

and it would be a functioning computer that you can part out from newegg and build, with relatively okay parts compared to something from OEM that may be locked in.

I have to admit, I may have to eat my words of them completely rebranding c2 with same LGA 775 as i3, if they went with this they are being nicer to people whom build their own computers (I hope no cheapo mobo brands come out with no PCIE mobos lol, or at least put a big warning in that they will only work with IGP stuff), and in a sense, worse off to people whom buy from OEM.

imagine this prospect, I got a new dell, its got a i3, LGA 1156 part, and I went and upgraded to I5 1156 part, all is NOT well. Why? no IGP on I5 (on some parts) and the OEMs skimmed on costs again to nuke the expansion PCIE port.......

to those in the know, this won't matter

that said, i expect at least a 50% increase in traffic in forums like toms once something like this rolls out lol

it all comes down to how the venders play this out, both mobo manuf and OEMs, if they all skimp, then at least label them with clear message that this is a non-upgradeable box.

to those with the knowledge, it could mean they can save a few bucks in the near term by going with PCIE enabled mobo + IGP for now, which should be cheaper than what they can do now, where the IGP is on the mobo, as long as intel makes video out a required component or at least strongly suggest it for the cheaper segments.

This could also mean interesting video setups, where addin cards could detect there are unused video out ports on the mobo, and utilize them if they are unused (no IGP on cpu, or disabled). Or hell, hybrid SLI/CF that don't need reboots!!

ok, that clears that up, so socket LGA 775 is completely dead and its move alone time for anyone build such a rig unless its a EoL cheapo box (maybe thats where EL cheapo comes from )

still tho, I wonder if intel is aware what they are doing may have a huge impact on the not in the know crowd.... maybe more profit for them when all this is solid and every chip has IGP of one or another (please don't, or else we can't OC them as well), but loads more headache for end users if the OEM and mobo venders don't play nice.

also, if they are nelelthelmhm based, why are they not kicking but at the 3 Ghz speed in things like movie rendering? is there some cache related issues or other gimps that are not artificial? I mean if they are all similar then IF someone kills off HT and kills off 2 cores on an i7 (which I can do i guess for some tests) and run it at 3 Ghz then I would get these new chips?

P.S can you affect future intel naming convention by any chance? typing, or trying to type out the name of nehthelem is just a PITA!!!!

A die shrink is not always for a performance boost. Its mainly to lower power consumption.