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April 27, 2009 5:48:15 PM

here is a list of parts i have in the cart at tigerdirect.ca and i want to know will they work with each other?
anything i should know about one of the parts that may change my mind?

thanks
parts
C13-2503 :: Corsair TX750W 750-Watt Power Supply - ATX, 140mm Fan, SLI-Ready, SATA-Ready, 80Plus (7.05 lbs)

P450-0262 :: XFX GeForce GTX 260 Video Card - 896MB DDR3, PCI Express 2.0 x16, 3-Watt SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV (1 lbs)

C283-2032 :: CoolerMaster CM690 ATX Mid-Tower Case (30 lbs)

TSD-500AS7 :: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS Hard Drive - 500GB, 7200, 16MB, SATA-300, OEM (1.9 lbs)

M333-3003 :: ZEROtherm / CF900 / Socket 775 / Copper Base / Heatpipes / CPU Cooler (1.3 lbs)

ULT40061 :: Ultra 4 Channel Fan Controller (0.45 lbs)

C283-1148 :: Cooler Master 120MM Blue LED Silent Sleeve Bearing Case Fan (2-Pack) (0.45 lbs)

O261-8038 :: OCZ SLI-Ready Dual Channel 4096MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Memory(2x2048MB) (0.15 lbs)

CP1-DUO-Q8200 :: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200 Processor BX80580Q8200 - 2.33GHz, 4MB Cache, 1333MHz FSB, Quad Core, Retail, Socket 775, Processor with Fan (0.8 lbs)

P450-9124 :: XFX nForce 750i SLI Extreme Motherboard - NVIDIA nForce 750i, 45nm Support, Socket 775, ATX, PCI Express 2.0, SLI Ready, Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, USB 2.0, Firewire, Serial ATA, RAID (6 lbs)
April 27, 2009 6:02:23 PM

Helloworld_98 said:
bottleneck.



can you go in to detail?
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April 27, 2009 6:03:53 PM

I think the Q8200 might be a bit slow. Maybe get a E8400 instead? It should be around the same price as the Q8200, and you really don't need quad core for most games (I'm assuming that's what you'll be using the GTX260 for).

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By bottleneck I think he meant to say that the performance of your GTX260 will be limited by the slower speed of the Q8200
April 27, 2009 6:07:10 PM

dragoon190 said:
I think the Q8200 might be a bit slow. Maybe get a E8400 instead? It should be around the same price as the Q8200, and you really don't need quad core for most games (I'm assuming that's what you'll be using the GTX260 for).


well i am going to be overclocking just a little and i do some gaming and i want to get in to video editing aswell..
i also edit large photos.

thanks for the replys so far..
April 27, 2009 6:26:28 PM

an e8xxx has triple the L2 cache per core than the Q8xxx.

the E8xxx also has a higher clock speed.

and how many GTX 260's?
April 27, 2009 6:33:37 PM

Helloworld_98 said:
an e8xxx has triple the L2 cache per core than the Q8xxx.

the E8xxx also has a higher clock speed.

and how many GTX 260's?



just one for now.. after i save some money again i will get a 2ed

it was between a 64 gb ssd driver
or
2 32gb ssd drives in raid 0
or
the gtx260

i picked the 260 just due to i dont think ssd's are ready or near a good price point
April 27, 2009 6:39:05 PM

So why did you call it quad SLI if you have only one GPU now and a second later???
April 27, 2009 6:41:56 PM

aevm said:
So why did you call it quad SLI if you have only one GPU now and a second later???


oh my bad i did not mean it that way just kinda put some of the items in the subject. like quad as in quad core and sli it is a sli board and will at some point be sli.. was not planed to mean quad sli

let me change that..
April 27, 2009 7:00:42 PM

ok that helps me now....

first ditch intel, and ditch Nvidia.

for just about the price of a Q8200 and P45 motherboard you can get a P2 940 and 790GX motherboard, and P2 940's are in no way slacking CPU's. the new motherboard will also allow you to OC further because 7xx nvidia motherboards can't OC very well.

then drop the 260 for a 4870 or 4890 since you can't SLI on a crossfire board.
April 27, 2009 7:01:22 PM

All right, mystery solved. I thought there actually was a way to put 4 of those on a motherboard and do SLI :)  I read about a guy who did that, but on a 790FX board and used them for CUDA, not SLI.

I agree with Helloworld, the Q8200 is not the best choice for gaming. If you're interested in gaming and very little else, the E8400 or E8500 will do better, especially with a little overclocking. If you want a machine that plays games well but also shines at encoding videos or programming or FSX, then a Q9550 is well worth it, or even an upgrade to i7 920/x58.
April 27, 2009 7:09:35 PM

If you're absolute set on getting a quad core, you can go with Phenom II 940 with 790X for just about the same price (less then $40 difference I believe) as an E8500 system.

If cost is not an issue, go for i7.
April 27, 2009 7:22:26 PM

aevm said:
All right, mystery solved. I thought there actually was a way to put 4 of those on a motherboard and do SLI :)  I read about a guy who did that, but on a 790FX board and used them for CUDA, not SLI.

I agree with Helloworld, the Q8200 is not the best choice for gaming. If you're interested in gaming and very little else, the E8400 or E8500 will do better, especially with a little overclocking. If you want a machine that plays games well but also shines at encoding videos or programming or FSX, then a Q9550 is well worth it, or even an upgrade to i7 920/x58.


i wanted the i7 but i just don't have the money right now. i know i am going to be happy with the quad core for the wide range of things i do.. but i also want to see what other combos people had in mind..

just a few things i wanted to know if anyone knows, if that video card is to long for that case? from the reviews people say you can fit the biggest cards out so i am hoping that's true..

also i suck at picking out a PSU as i just cant understand the amps and multi-rail and single rail stuff
April 27, 2009 7:29:25 PM

more amps the better.

Ideally you want a rail for the CPU, one for the mobo and PCI/ sound cards etc, and one for each gfx card.

it just means that if one rail fails only one part of your system fails whereas if you have one rail and that rail fails, say goodbye to your PC, sometimes.
April 27, 2009 7:30:40 PM

Helloworld_98 said:
more amps the better.

Ideally you want a rail for the CPU, one for the mobo and PCI/ sound cards etc, and one for each gfx card.

it just means that if one rail fails only one part of your system fails whereas if you have one rail and that rail fails, say goodbye to your PC, sometimes.


so the psu i picked will work out well
April 27, 2009 7:37:33 PM

yes, you might be able to save some cash getting a silverstone PSU though since there aren't any need for 8 pin pcie connectors in your build.
April 27, 2009 7:44:23 PM

Don't worry about the card fitting in the CM690. Every graphics card on the market will fit in there, even the GTX 295 or HD 4870 X2.

April 27, 2009 7:50:24 PM

it is going to be some jump goning from
amd X2 3800+
2 gb 667mzh ram
xfx 8600gts XXX overclocked
April 27, 2009 7:54:01 PM

not as big as my jump :) 

amd 3200+
Quadro FX 5500
1GB DDR-400

to,

720 BE
ATI 4890 1GB
4GB DDR2-1066
April 27, 2009 8:06:04 PM

What is your budget?
April 28, 2009 1:51:13 AM

knotknut said:
What is your budget?



$1300
April 28, 2009 2:47:10 AM

swap the seagate too, heard they have been having problems
April 28, 2009 4:12:29 AM

With $1300. you can get the i7 easy.

i7 920/Asus P6T Deluxe V2 Combo $524.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

XFX GX260NADBF GeForce GTX 260 Black Edition Core 216 $179.99 -after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V CPV Cooler $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER RC-690 $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG Black 22X DVD/48X CD $22.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB $74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX $109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This total is $1117.91
most items free shipping

Edit Free Shipping on all items

April 28, 2009 7:50:38 AM

Upendra09 said:
swap the seagate too, heard they have been having problems


It seems that the problem was with 7200.11 series, which have since been fixed (I think).

I guess he can always switch to WD Cavier to be on the safe side.
April 28, 2009 10:10:53 AM

dragoon190 said:
It seems that the problem was with 7200.11 series, which have since been fixed (I think).

I guess he can always switch to WD Cavier to be on the safe side.



seems like it was fixed with the 7200.11and the one i picked is a 7200.12 so i will do some searching today to see if whything pops up.
April 28, 2009 10:31:53 AM

Well the i7 build from knotknut looks very good...You should consider that...
April 28, 2009 12:07:06 PM

gkay09 said:
Well the i7 build from knotknut looks very good...You should consider that...


i am considering that..

edit: I should clear something up. I am from Canada so when i said $1300 i mean in Canadian(cad).. i am going to look for the same items on the .ca site and see what they come to but i am 100% it will blow the budget out of the water..
April 28, 2009 12:25:55 PM

Hmm...Well I dont think so...

Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB 7200RPM 32MB Dual Proc 3.5IN SATA Hard Drive OEM 5YR Mfg Warranty
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
In Stock 34286 $88.99 $88.99

Antec Three Hundred Mini Tower Gaming Case 300 ATX 3X5.25 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB & Audio
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
In Stock 29812 $65.98 $65.98

Corsair TX750W 750W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 140MM Fan
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
In Stock 26415 $134.99 $134.99

EVGA E-GEFORCE GTX 260 Core 216 SC 55NM 626MHZ 896MB 2.1GHZ DDR3 PCI-E 2XDVI-I HDTV Out Video Card
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
In Stock 35504 $239.99 $239.99

Intel Core i7 920 Quad Core Processor LGA1366 2.66GHZ Bloomfield 8MB LGA1366 4.8GT/S
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
In Stock 34598 $363.99 $363.99

ASUS P6T X58 ATX LGA1366 DDR3 3PCI-E16 PCI-E1 2PCI CrossFire SLI SATA2 GBLAN Motherboard
Combo Deal (34598)
In Stock 35603 $294.15 $294.15

G.SKILL F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ 6GB DDR3 3X2GB DDR3-1600 CL 9-9-9-24 Triple Channel Memory Kit
Usually ships in 1-2 business days.
In Stock 34719 $104.99 $104.99

YOUR TOTAL $1,293.08
All from NCIX.com...
And you can do price matching and get good offers...
April 28, 2009 12:38:05 PM

But I would want to make one thing clear that i7 would be a very good option if you are planning for a Overall multimedia system...
But if you want the PC mainly for gaming, then even I would suggest getting a E8X00/Q9XX0/ Phenom X3 or X4 build over an i7 build as the i7 doesn't offer significant gains over the above said CPUs.
With the money saved on the CPU and Mobo, get a more powerful graphics card...
April 28, 2009 12:55:14 PM

gkay09 said:
But I would want to make one thing clear that i7 would be a very good option if you are planning for a Overall multimedia system...
But if you want the PC mainly for gaming, then even I would suggest getting a E8X00/Q9XX0/ Phenom X3 or X4 build over an i7 build as the i7 doesn't offer significant gains over the above said CPUs.
With the money saved on the CPU and Mobo, get a more powerful graphics card...



thanks for all the info guys

i am going to stick with the intel quad and the xfx mobo and the 260 for video but the rest could change if i find something better for the same price or cheaper that offers the same thing
April 28, 2009 12:59:42 PM

Well Before you finalize, I would suggest you reconsider that mobo as nvidia chipsets for the LGA 775 socket were flaky and have many problems...
Search the reviews and forums before buying the SLI chipset...
April 28, 2009 1:17:24 PM

gkay09 said:
Well Before you finalize, I would suggest you reconsider that mobo as nvidia chipsets for the LGA 775 socket were flaky and have many problems...
Search the reviews and forums before buying the SLI chipset...


i seen so many reviews on that mobo and not many people have anything bad to say about it.. the odd dead board but nothing real bad
April 28, 2009 1:25:49 PM

Hmm...if your are ok with it then its fine...
April 28, 2009 1:27:45 PM

gkay09 said:
Hmm...if your are ok with it then its fine...



can you point me to a some bad reviews or problems
April 28, 2009 4:45:04 PM

not saying your wrong just want to see if it was a combo of what they were doing or is it a older model or if they changed anything.. so on..
April 28, 2009 6:23:50 PM

also from what I can see, most of the time dual nvidia cards don't scale as well as dual ATI cards.
April 29, 2009 4:38:39 AM

johnathanbrooks said:
can you point me to a some bad reviews or problems

Well its hard to find bad reviews as any company would not allow such reviews to be around the net for long as it would seriously impact the sales figures...But you could find info about the issues in various forums, which you can google and get...
Am not saying that those chips are bad...but I have seen many people saying about some incompatibility issues with memory, unstable when overclocked, ...And those chips are old so you may not able to get current fixes and updates that easy...
April 29, 2009 6:42:15 AM

There's some reviews on newegg about the lack of overclock ability on this board.

I would go for a more popular model of the motherboard, though, since more people use it, more support it'll get and more bios updates (I think). Plus you don't have to figure out all the settings and stuff on your own.

April 29, 2009 6:47:21 AM

I think it's more that the 4870 1gb is more expensive than the GTX 260 896mb which is putting him off getting a non-sli board.

but I think he'd save enough going with a CF board to pay the extra for a 4870, or dual 4770's.
April 29, 2009 12:35:45 PM

It is? I guess the pricing are different at different part of the world.

The XFX 4870 1GB is actually $10 cheaper than GTX 260 at where I'm at right now...

Oh, well, there's not much difference in performance between those two anyway.

Although I did heard someone saying SLi is not as stable as CrossFire in the "How To Choose Component" sticky... did nVidia fix that problem?
April 29, 2009 12:44:55 PM

just a little update i am going to change mobos to this EVGA nForce 750i SLI FTW Motherboard
and the video to EVGA GeForce GTX 260 Core 216

EVGA offers lifetime on there parts, so thats a + and from what i can fine the mobo is more stable
April 29, 2009 6:08:09 PM

I would like to point out as others have mentioned this Q8200 is not ideal for gaming.

If you are looking to spend under $200 for a processor I strongly recommend you buy a E8400 its the same price as the Q8200 and its 3.0 GHz as opposed to the 2.33 GHz quad.

Most games do not utilize more than 2 cores and even the ones that do you will notice comparable performance from the dual core because of the higher clock speed.

Keep in mind that you can always upgrade to a faster quad core later on when more games support 4 cores and by then the prices should be much lower, but right now I can't justify buying the slower CPU just because it has more cores.

I did lots of research before I built my rig and I'm very satisfied with my purchase. I hope you take my advice and get the best bang for your buck with a faster C2D.

I do plan on getting a second GTX 260 but I'm going to wait until prices drop a little bit and then I'm also going to overclock my E8400 to 3.6 (or higher if possible) to avoid a CPU bottleneck with the SLI setup.

Good luck!

My Rig:

C2D E8400 @ 3.0 GHz
XFX nForce 750i Mobo
4GB OCZ DDR2 800 MHz
WD Caviar Black 500GB SATA HDD
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750W PSU
XFX GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896 MB


April 29, 2009 7:37:00 PM

i understand that a 2 cores are better for gaming but i only spend 4 to 10 hours a week on playing cod4. the rest of the time is spent video editing/ photo editing or programing
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