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I7 build ~$1000, to be ordered by Friday (5/1/09)

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April 28, 2009 12:25:29 AM
April 28, 2009 1:05:50 AM

Is this build for gaming? If it is, you are doing yourself a big disservice by going with an i7 on this budget. Crippling your GPU power to squeeze in a top-end processor is not a good idea. If you're a gamer, let us know and we can help you reorganize this build.

I would go with neither of those case/PSU combos. The PSU is the most important component in protecting your new build, and it is NOT something you want to skimp on. If you're looking to save some money, you can look at some standalone case deals and buying a quality PSU from corsair, antec etc.

Your GPU is outdated and really not a good use of money unless this is a pure encoding/editing machine. It's hard to advise further without some more info.
April 28, 2009 12:03:23 PM

Your build if there is any intention of gaming reminds me of a circus elephant riding a tricycle!
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April 28, 2009 12:32:28 PM

A i7core can be built decent on a $1200 dollar build.
April 28, 2009 2:13:20 PM

fullmetall said:
A i7core can be built decent on a $1200 dollar build.


I disagree, but to each his own. Having a budget under a MINIMUM of $1500 will produce bottlenecks in an i7 system that will throttle the entire PC.
April 28, 2009 2:30:18 PM

Running a 4850 + cheap 1333mhz ocz ram(3x2gb), a 640gb wd hdd, possibly a asus p6t, rc-690 casing, heatsink(stock or aftermarket wouldnt matter) and a lg 22x optical drive on a i7 920.

whats bottle necking?

as long as the gpu is upgraded down the road, the build would be just fine.
April 28, 2009 2:49:02 PM

Sure, that would be great...but fit that in with a monitor and OS and you're going to struggle keeping it below $1200. Also, if you're looking to OC the i7 past 3.4, the RAM is going to stop you.

The 4850 will struggle with the latest games at high settings. Again, if gaming is not the OP's primary use for this PC, then maybe I could see your build Fullmetall.
April 28, 2009 3:33:11 PM

That's one thing i didn't even notice, needing os and monitor.

It would come out to be around $1400 with a 22"

@ OP best thing for you to do since your buying monitor and OS aswell is go x4 940 AMD or raise your budget.

April 28, 2009 4:04:26 PM

^+1

the 940 is just too cheap these days.

and for OS, is there anything wrong with the windows se7en RC?
April 28, 2009 4:06:33 PM

The computer will not be used for gaming at all. It will be used for photoshop 90% of the time.

My reasoning for going with the i7 is future upgradability. I want the life span of the computer to be several years, so my thinking is that if I go with the i7 platform, I can easily upgrade the processor in a couple of years when new i7's have come out, whereupon if I go with a Core 2, I'm basically buying in at the end of it's lifespan, and in a couple of years there won't be much in the way of upgrading the processor.

I can always add more ram later, and upgrade the GPU at a later date. I chose the GPU based on price, and a list of GPU's that go well with photoshop on Adobe's website. But if there are better ones that could fit into the budget, I'm all ears.

I will not be OC'ing the processor.

I'm perfectly fine using a TN panel monitor for photoshop, again if I choose to upgrade it later, that can be easily done. I've been using a plane jane laptop screen for the past 4 years with no problems.

I do want reliability obviously, so do ya'll have suggestions for relativly inexpensive psu's that could power this system? There will of course be no need for SLI or crossfire at any time.

-Kyle
April 28, 2009 5:13:56 PM

x4 940 is what you need then, i7 would be way to much.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
lg 22x

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
wd black 640gb

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RC-690

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Asus 23.6"

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
4870 1gb sapphire, could lower it to a 4850 if needed, dont need much of a card.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
650tx, lower if needed, 500w Pc power cooling mabye or 520w corsair.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
g.skills 1066

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
vista 64-bit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
x4 940 + UD4P combo

comes out to be $1130 without the rebates.

lowering the things i pointed out would bring you in the 1000 range.



April 28, 2009 5:34:35 PM

How much of a performance loss am I looking at by switching to the AMD system? A lot? None? What about upgradability? (i.e. which system am I going to wish I had 2 years from now?)
April 28, 2009 5:40:01 PM

Doing what your doing, you wont lose anything switching. Both i7 and amd x4 940 chips are future proofing.

The reason the cpu is am3 and the motherboard is am2+ is to help customers on budgets. The cpu is compatable to run on am2+ motherboards and cheap ddr2 memory.

You can upgrade to am3 motherboard and ddr3 memory later on and keep everything else.

April 28, 2009 5:57:12 PM

According to the link, that cpu is AM2+. How much of a cost increase would it be to switch to a full AM3 system?
April 28, 2009 5:59:39 PM

fullmetall said:
Doing what your doing, you wont lose anything switching. Both i7 and amd x4 940 chips are future proofing.

The reason the cpu is am3 and the motherboard is am2+ is to help customers on budgets. The cpu is compatable to run on am2+ motherboards and cheap ddr2 memory.

You can upgrade to am3 motherboard and ddr3 memory later on and keep everything else.



AMD X4 940 is not AM3... its AM2+, if he goes with X4 940, its same thing as going with LGA 775. No way to upgrade in future.
April 28, 2009 6:02:35 PM

hmm, it could be possible lowering the monitor to a 22" for $160. Acer has a nice 22" for that range in price

then get this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ud4p am3 $139.99


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ocz hpc reapers DDR3 1333

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mushkin DDR3 1333


@ peanut i got confused wth the triple core and quad, my bad.

X out the full AM3 quad, guess getting the 955 is the only way your getting a quad to get full potential on am3 unless you get the triple core, which i dont see why not.







April 28, 2009 6:29:28 PM

Ok, I just put together a build using the AM3 MB, and an 810 cpu, the ATI 4850, and a 22" monitor, it comes to $1072

I could upgrade to the 955, and the 4870, and still be under 1200. Would it be worth it to make those two upgrades?
April 28, 2009 6:53:18 PM

If its your liking and its under your Budget, i dont see why not, the 955 is a sploof for what they did to it but, it is a am3 quad instead of am2+ quad.

Basically, if you dont mind getting a full am3 build and you would like a quad and it's reaching your budget, then go ahead otherwise, you can get other good components on a triple core thats only $130 and is AM3 socket type aswell.
April 28, 2009 7:24:47 PM

The i7 920 is much faster with Photoshop CS4. See this link.

CS4 can also benefit from Nvidia's CUDA. The GTX 250 would be a good choice.
April 28, 2009 7:30:29 PM

Well DXrick, if you would like to build a descent i7920 build with a $200+ monitor and a $100 OS go ahead.

What i got out of a descent i7 and those 2 was $1400 otherwise, it would be a really low end i7 with a triple channel 1gb each channel only on a 4770/4830 and other low end components ... the x3 720 am3 can do just fine, yea its mainly for gaming but, doesnt mean it can't do anything else.
April 29, 2009 12:53:16 AM

Ok, I switched to a cheaper cooler master case (39.99), and a cheaper (smaller, I don't need a lot of space right now) hard drive, changed the processor to a phenom II X3 720, and the HD4870 gpu.

My total comes to $1007.90, which sounds pretty good.

If I keep everything else the same, but change to an X58 mb, a i7 920, and a g.skill 6GB kit, the total comes to $1261.90


I'd obviously like to save the ~$250, but the i7 certainly outperforms the phenom in all of the photoshop test I've read.

Now it's just decision time I guess....
April 29, 2009 2:14:41 AM

go with the i7 100%...run it by us one more time though.
April 29, 2009 4:24:11 AM
April 29, 2009 7:10:23 AM

Well you could get a better components...

CPU + Mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hdd + OS Combo 640GB WD Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

CASE - Better than the CM- Antec 300 and has free shipping too...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - Same 650W power but little cheaper...Though this is not recommended over the Corsair but it is also on of the Top PSUs...Antec EA650
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD - Same
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics card - Well how about a GTX 260...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor - Same...

Total - $1281 without rebates and many items have free shipping...
April 29, 2009 7:49:05 AM

Kyle B said:
The computer will not be used for gaming at all. It will be used for photoshop 90% of the time.




Whoah!!!

Why are you letting people talk you into buying a HD 4850 / 4870 if you are not gaming?

Keep the 9600GT you originally planned on getting or drop down to a HD 4670 if there is a cost savings. Both are considered mainstream video cards and are capable of handling Photoshop.
April 29, 2009 7:54:53 AM

jaguarskx said:
Whoah!!!

Why are you letting people talk you into buying a HD 4850 / 4870 if you are not gaming?

Keep the 9600GT you originally planned on getting or drop down to a HD 4670 if there is a cost savings. Both are considered mainstream video cards and are capable of handling Photoshop.

:o  I had totally missed that post of his :pfff: 

I had seen he had a 4870 512 in his last build option so suggested the GTX 260...

If it is like you said it will just be for 90% Photoshop, jaguarskx is right...Stick with the 9600GT or even better the 4670...
But if you like some bit of gaming, then get the 4770/4830...
April 29, 2009 2:10:49 PM

Since TS stated no gaming in any shape/form i agree: get a CUDA enabled GPU and for your needs a simple GF8300 IGP would do? So if you looking for massive savings and go for small footprint quad workstation box:

The PSU may not be top class but for an IGP rig.....
April 29, 2009 2:43:19 PM

just because he's not gaming, doesnt meant he can't get a i7 there batuchka.

Stick with the i7 rig (for the last time, it outrates the PII in photoshop), lower your gpu.
April 29, 2009 3:00:24 PM

Err I do not contest the i7 being a better chip for Photoshop but i was saying *if* he is looking for massive savings :p 
April 29, 2009 3:25:38 PM
April 29, 2009 3:30:49 PM

a 4670 would handle cod5 on low settings and cod for on mid to low if you had any desire to play games.
April 29, 2009 4:48:41 PM

Ok, I switched the gpu to a 4670, and my cost is lowered to $1168.90, which will be fine.

My last questions would be:

Since I've heard of CUDA before, are there any Nvidia CUDA gpu's for the same price as the 4670 that would outperform it, or is it the best bang for the buck?

Next, with the combo deal I can get either of these two motherboards for the same price:

DFI LANPARTY JR X58-T3H6 LGA 1366 Intel X58 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

Is one better then the other? The DFI has better rating percentages on newegg, but it also has a far lower number of ratings... the 20 "1 egg" ratings on the ASUS board are kinda scary, and I'd be pretty upset if I got a defective board, as I'd really like to have the machine up and running by next week. Thoughts?


As far as the gaming goes, the most it will ever see, is maybe a few older games to tide me over until I buy a dedicated gaming system. The only ones it would see are ones that I already play on my current gaming system (a pentium 4 1.5Ghz, 512 RAM, 9600GT --- games like FarCry, FEAR, Doom3, maybe WoW and of course Warcraft 3 and Starcraft), just on higher graphical settings.
April 29, 2009 4:52:53 PM

I would go with the P6T 100%. The low ratings are DoA boards, or people who are completely stupid and don't know what they're doing. There is a risk of DoA boards with any manufacturer, but i've heard nothing but good things about the P6T. I own the deluxe version and it's fantastic.
April 29, 2009 4:55:36 PM

+1 on the P6T asus.
April 29, 2009 5:03:37 PM

How are they on replacing defective boards? would it be worth it to get Newegg's warranty?
April 29, 2009 5:15:56 PM

On another note, Dell has their 22" 1920x1080 monitor on sale for 139.99, so I might be switching out the ASUS for that one.
April 29, 2009 5:20:20 PM

Is this on newegg?
April 29, 2009 5:20:36 PM

dell monitors are generally of excellent quality...if they're running a good sale like that I would say go for it.

You don't need newegg's warranty if you have to pay for it. ASUS and Newegg have legendary customer service...if your board is DoA then you can RMA it through Newegg and ASUS will send you another one with no questions asked.
April 29, 2009 5:32:01 PM

Good to hear.

The sale is through the dell.com website, not newegg :(  Hopefully it won't take much longer to ship. I'll probably be ordering everything today.
April 29, 2009 5:38:52 PM

Good find, have fun.
April 29, 2009 5:39:37 PM

Kyle, i would definately buy a corei7 myself if i had the cash. Although, i would try looking at the Gigabyte Mobo X58. If you know how to overclock your memory just right you will have an unstoppable machine. Just make sure you use the best ratio. Also, running a corei7 on 3.5 on air is GOLD! Just a sugestions ^_^
April 29, 2009 5:47:25 PM

Dont think i would take gigabyte x58 over the P6T
April 29, 2009 7:27:24 PM

I found the monitor deal on www.slickdeals.net They have pretty good stuff posted pretty often, if it's what your looking for.
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