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ATI 4890 Vs. NVIDIA GTX 280.

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May 20, 2009 2:12:56 AM

Both cards are in my price range. I have been looking up the benchmarks for both cards from many different sources, and it appears that they are trading blows for different games. However, it seems like the GTX 280 is coming out a head on more of them.
4890 vs. GTX 280, looking for opinions. (once again when price doesn't matter)
May 20, 2009 3:20:16 AM

ehhh... it depends on the games and the resolutions, some games, like S.T.A.L.K.E.R, favor ATI cards while Crysis favors Nvidia and so on...

Dunno, both are a good buy, they seem to be pretty much equal to each other.

However, people have said that the drivers for Nvidia are in general more reliable, but that's subject to one's own experience.


There are some extra features that the Nvidia cards have which ATI card don't, like Physx and CUDA applications, however there will be an equivalent of those features for the ATI cards later on.

May 20, 2009 4:17:35 AM

It depends. What's your favorite color: red or green?

I would personally choose the 4890 (I'm biased since all my video cards have been ATI), although my 4870 1GB plays most mainstream games at max settings 1600x1200. A lot of the complaints about ATI drivers seem to stem from people trying to install ATI over Nvidia without removing previous drivers properly.
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May 20, 2009 4:26:22 AM

The 4890 competes well with the 280 if you overclock it. The 280 doesn't have much overclocking headroom but you may be able to get close to 1GHz with the 4890 if you get a good sample. While the 4890 will generally be cheaper (excluding the factory 1GHz oc models) it generates alot more heat and uses alot more power compared to the 280, so it's up to you.
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May 20, 2009 4:29:05 AM

If it was me I'd rather go with a 4870 1GB or two 4770s as I think those choices are better values, but hey it's your money. Personally my two 3850s are still holding up (and heating my room), so I'm waiting for mid-range DX11 cards ^_^.
May 20, 2009 5:06:31 AM

Thanks for the feedback guys. Would a 600 watt power supply, which is what I have currently, get the maximum performance out of these cards? Or work well for one, or not for the other?
May 20, 2009 5:11:10 AM

Just as a note, I am playing at 1680X1050 for the time being. I am sure both of these cards will be more than enough to run at this res. However, with this added note, would your recommendations still be the same, or does this added fact change matters?
May 20, 2009 3:05:31 PM

silvertounge said:
Thanks for the feedback guys. Would a 600 watt power supply, which is what I have currently, get the maximum performance out of these cards? Or work well for one, or not for the other?


i have a 550w, and that powers the GTX 260 core 216 just fine. What really counts is the amps on the +12 rails, and an high-quality PSU will often have more amperage than a crappy one at the same wattage.
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May 20, 2009 5:13:22 PM

Id double check the alot more heat, alot more power thing
June 18, 2009 6:51:22 PM

Well just to add here i have a 280 and looking to buy a 4890 for now and then add another one but it seems that all over the net people say that 4890 is the about the same as the 280 and just like a few hours a go the release the new update for ATI Cards so it may even be better now!
July 4, 2009 7:29:56 AM

Hey guys , I would just like to know that which card runs games like mass effect better 280 GTX or HD 4870???
Regards,
Darthmaniac
July 19, 2009 5:57:47 PM

I could be totally wrong about this but i believe that mass effect is a non bias game and you would simply get a little better FPS from the gtx 280 but the 4870 is cheeper.
July 21, 2009 12:23:42 AM

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gtx 280 by far. hell you could get an 8800gt and it would beat 4870 withour ocing

What makes you think an 8800gt would beat a 4870. The 4870 trades blows with the gtx 260 and the 260 destroys the 8800gt.
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July 21, 2009 12:37:21 AM

Hahaha you cant compare the little 8800gt to the beastly 4870. (4870=gtx260) jimdog stop spamming!

Both cards are about the same but the gtx280 usually is a bit faster, but barely. If money isn't an issue for you get the gtx280 if not 4890 would be the best price/performance.
July 21, 2009 4:15:21 AM

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hell a 9600gt could beat a silly little 4870 even a 4870x2 in crossfire if overlocked and volateged corectly

The posts i have seen you post are useless and can veer a new person off track. Stop trolling if you can not add anything useful to a conversation and stop talking out your ars.
July 30, 2009 10:15:31 PM

hello guys i have a question i have a Visiontek 3870x2 OC Edition ,, which is a Nice card in all respects. but i am looking to upgrade, i have read the reviews and done some reserch, Sounds like its all preference in ATI . VS.. Nvidia.. i Preffer the ATI cards over the Nvidia ones for the Simple reason of Bang for buck ,, but the real question is ,is the 4890 an upgrade to the 3870x2 OC.. ??
July 30, 2009 11:17:40 PM

dj12334 said:
hello guys i have a question i have a Visiontek 3870x2 OC Edition ,, which is a Nice card in all respects. but i am looking to upgrade, i have read the reviews and done some reserch, Sounds like its all preference in ATI . VS.. Nvidia.. i Preffer the ATI cards over the Nvidia ones for the Simple reason of Bang for buck ,, but the real question is ,is the 4890 an upgrade to the 3870x2 OC.. ??

Well first of all the 3870x2 is a dual gpu card and somegames like Cod4 live for dual gpu but in other games i think the 4890 is better! i have it and its runs very nicly! if you can run some benchmarks and then post the results we can go further with this !
July 30, 2009 11:22:43 PM

I will recommend you to get a nVidia based graphic card.
I was selling and installing a lot of them (both of them) and generally the nVidia one, will get you more stable drivers and (in my opinion) much better driver menu.

I have nothing with ATI, but the drivers are the usual suspect for a lot of complains.

Now for the (easy) technical part:

1. nVidia is using a dual platform (Graphic rendering and PhysX*), to generate the image. (intelligent drawing)
260 SP + PhysX on GDDR3

2. ATI is using a muscle monster on steroids to generate the image. (fast and what the eye sees drawing)
800+ SP on GDDR5


*Also to be mentioned that a lot of new games are coming with PhysX processing enabled that favorise the nVidia platform.

I hope I didn't mess you up too much.
Good hunting.
August 1, 2009 2:42:45 PM

i just Ran 3dmark got a score of 14393 . if it helps i am Running a Phenom x4 9500 , 8 gig Corsar 800 Mhz 6400 ,, biostar Tseries 790gx 500 gig Bracuda, 8800 watt kingwin Mach1 PS .. and i did have AMD Fusion on .. hope it helps a ltl .. as i said befor i Really like the GPU but i have found some issues with the drivers more so than most .. i have 2 other Computers one with a Nvida 9600 gtx and one with a X1550 Radon(Getting ready to replace with the 3870x2) neither of the other GPU's have the Driver problems
August 1, 2009 2:43:31 PM

Sorry PSis a 800 watt not 8800 sorry for the Typo
August 2, 2009 3:49:47 AM

invisik said:
Hahaha you cant compare the little 8800gt to the beastly 4870. (4870=gtx260) jimdog stop spamming!

Both cards are about the same but the gtx280 usually is a bit faster, but barely. If money isn't an issue for you get the gtx280 if not 4890 would be the best price/performance.

I believe this to be the best ansrew you will get !

August 2, 2009 3:56:33 AM

4890 should be the better card if you get one that works.
August 2, 2009 5:01:48 AM

roofus said:
4890 should be the better card if you get one that works.

True that! i went through 3 before i got one that works! but that could also be just really bad luck!
August 2, 2009 6:28:36 AM

megamanx00 said:
The 4890 competes well with the 280 if you overclock it. The 280 doesn't have much overclocking headroom but you may be able to get close to 1GHz with the 4890 if you get a good sample. While the 4890 will generally be cheaper (excluding the factory 1GHz oc models) it generates alot more heat and uses alot more power compared to the 280, so it's up to you.


what are u talking about? have u owned a gtx 280?
i have owned both a gtx 280 and a 4870 (which produces same heat as 4890) and the gtx 280 produces way more heat...
I'm not afan boy i currently have a 9600gt cause i had to downgrade but my 4870 used to get only to 67 on full load while my gtx 280 with 100% fan speed
reached 85 degrees on games...
GTX 280 ia a solid card but gets way too hot, get the 4890.
August 2, 2009 6:30:54 AM

do some research and u will see gtx 280's get very hot, everyone complains about that and they still say ati cards produce more heat which is FALSE. Old 4850's and inferior ati cards get hot, nothing else.
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August 2, 2009 7:05:45 AM

Its where the driver rumors come from. 1 bad driver leads to all bad drivers, while forgetting the No.1 reason for Vista failure was a nVidia driver.
The ATI core size is much smaller than the nVidia core, but its close to power usage. It just makes sense having almost the same power in two different sized cores will have different results. The 280 problems stem from the 65nm node, which held them back from doing a x2 card, that we now see in the 295, but is at the 55nm node.
Locally, a core may be hotter or cooler, but if the power usage is the same, its the same eventual heat output, it just depends on cooling solutions. Early designs of the 8800GT were extremely hot running, which later was rectified with a better cooling solution.
My advice? Get the 4890. Itll help as we enter into greater DX10.1 usage, as well as DX11, and will hold an advantage for every game made ot patched to this DX level. Its cheaper, ocees better. Scales better with ocee clocks. No brainer to me
August 2, 2009 7:36:41 AM

+1 with JD
August 2, 2009 8:47:27 AM

Go for GTX 280 or GTX 275 dude.I prefer nvidia.
Else see for 2x GTX 260 in SLI.Its great combo.
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August 2, 2009 9:13:41 AM

A 280 is old tech run on old tech costing more
August 2, 2009 9:24:12 AM

get anything but a 280 trust me...
August 2, 2009 9:52:51 AM

what about gtx 275 VS. ATi 4890?!!? is it basically on what games u play, and whether they favour ATi or nvidia?!?!
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August 2, 2009 9:57:31 AM

Of course it can be, but its not in the OPs question. This isnt a get nVidia or ATI, its 280vs4890
August 2, 2009 9:59:51 AM

ok then.... gtx 275 vs. 4890?! gtx 275 basically is the gtx 280.... isn't it? older technology, but still performs the same

and the 275 and 4890 are neck-and-neck... it all depends on what GAMES u play..whether the favour one or the other
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August 2, 2009 10:05:44 AM

A 280 is old tech run on old tech costing more said:
A 280 is old tech run on old tech costing more


cost more to manufacture yes. but if they're offered the same price to a consumer, then thats nil.

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August 2, 2009 10:07:27 AM

This isnt about that. You may as well say, forget the whole thing, and wait for DX11, which will drop the prices on the 2 cards the OP has listed, or will give better performance. Just trying to keep it on track, as the 275 may not be either available or in the same price range. Also, any of the games you currently play, if theyre DX10, they could become DX10.1 or even DX11, and then would favor the 4890, even if they favor nVidia now
August 2, 2009 12:04:41 PM

well guys Thank u i think i know were i want to head .. 4890 looks to be the Winner .. as a Gamer i HATE HEAT which is y i have stuck with the AMD line of CPU's
think i will get 1 4890 and then if its not were i wana go then ill get a 2nd and run Xfire thank u all for the imput ,, just a Question is a 14393 3d mark ok for what i have ? sorry kinda new at this and still learning .. sorry for all the questions
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August 2, 2009 12:10:48 PM

heat is subjective. i had a 4870 with a custom cooler which by catalyst readings was cooler than my current gtx260-216 but apparently the air gets stuck inside the chassis. the stock gtx cooler on the other hand does a good job of getting the hot air out. theres ambient temp as well.
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August 2, 2009 2:20:03 PM

Not sure which 4870 you had, but the 2 slot coolers blow all the heat out the back, Im thinking it was that custom cooler you had, and not ATIs solution
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August 2, 2009 2:34:58 PM

i had the ones from palit.
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August 2, 2009 3:04:15 PM

Yea, ATIs solutions have always blown it out the back, actually it was the nVidia solutions that only blew part of the air out the back, with some still going back into the case. The G80s and 90s did
August 2, 2009 6:11:41 PM

i havent had a Nvidia card that didnt exhaust fully out the back for years. i have seen plenty of non-reference coolers on both ATI and Nvidia that looked neat but were poorly designed.
on the subject of heat... if you are running a higher end 4000 series or 200 series card that you havent put water cooling blocks on and claim great temps, you are only fooling yourself. i have yet to see an offering from either company on the high end that doesnt make me cringe when the cards are getting a serious workout when i look at the temps. that has to be my greatest disappointment with the newest tech. i thought by now, we would be going smaller, cooler, use less power and we are heading in the wrong direction if you look at those things alone.
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August 2, 2009 6:54:50 PM

My old G80 did. It had exhaust out the top and the back. If you have any around yet, check em out
August 3, 2009 4:53:58 AM

my 4870 used to idle at 41... i think thats great, load at 67...
gtx 280 idle 45-47 load 85... not so great.

Nowadays reference coolers do a pretty good job, at least in ATI i don't know how cool the new nvidia cards are, cause the 280 is old.

I had the 4850 iceq4 too and it idled at 39 and loaded at 62...

All those temps are with 100% fan speed, which i dont care to bear...
4850 was dead silent, 4870 and 280 were loud...
February 11, 2010 12:58:45 AM

i'd just flip a coin and call it a day Lol
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February 11, 2010 2:28:17 AM

Freezeron said:
I will recommend you to get a nVidia based graphic card.
I was selling and installing a lot of them (both of them) and generally the nVidia one, will get you more stable drivers and (in my opinion) much better driver menu.

I have nothing with ATI, but the drivers are the usual suspect for a lot of complains.

Now for the (easy) technical part:

1. nVidia is using a dual platform (Graphic rendering and PhysX*), to generate the image. (intelligent drawing)
260 SP + PhysX on GDDR3

2. ATI is using a muscle monster on steroids to generate the image. (fast and what the eye sees drawing)
800+ SP on GDDR5


*Also to be mentioned that a lot of new games are coming with PhysX processing enabled that favorise the nVidia platform.

I hope I didn't mess you up too much.
Good hunting.


What are you on? Kindly STFU now.

ATI's recent archs tie 5 SPs to one thread, relying on instruction-level parallelism (smart, as clean code strives for this), 1 SP in that group can do a complex int, while the others execute simple ints. nVidia uses 1 SP per thread.
PhysX is an API, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HARDWARE. There is no such thing as 260SP + PhysX.
1. GT200 has 240 SP's, not 260.
How is GT200 "intelligent drawing"?
You sir, are retarded.

I have not a single problem with several ATI cards, (9700Pro, 4670, 4870, 5850).


GTX 280 - $349
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

5850 - $299
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Why not get a 5850? Better performance (5-15%), better power-consumption (MUCH less at both idle & load), and DX11.

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