fixed, it was the RAM after all
i was answering from memory earlier and when i got home realized i wasn't putting it in the orange but the black, needless to say dropped it in the orange and its been working ever since
thanks for all your help guys
I don't mean to be a jerk, but this sure seems like one of those times where reading the manual sure would have saved you a lot of heartache. That's why it's #1 on the checklist linked in the very first reply to this thread.