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Need a recommendation for the best air cooler.

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February 10, 2011 2:48:31 AM

Hey folks. Looking to get a moderately priced air cooler to do some serious OC'ing (of a Q6600).

Need recommendations. I decided on a Cooler Master V6GT but if there are better products available, I'd like to know them and (if they're more expensive) to know if they're worth the premium.
a c 183 K Overclocking
February 10, 2011 3:11:03 AM

The CM V6GT is more then capable just make sure it will fit in your case it's big.
165mm tall.
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a b K Overclocking
February 10, 2011 8:35:26 AM

i dont see you needing more than the hyper 212+... V6GT is a good one but you could save some $ with the hyper and get relatively the same performance...
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February 10, 2011 11:18:12 AM

davcon said:
The CM V6GT is more then capable just make sure it will fit in your case it's big.
165mm tall.


It should fit in a HAF922, right? I have a side fan (200mm) attached, I wonder if I'll have to remove it. I hope I don't. Can anyone shed light on this?
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a c 286 K Overclocking
February 10, 2011 11:36:11 AM

My preference are:

Thermalright Archon>Thermalright Silver Arrow>Noctua NH-D14, but for a moderated overclock you don't need that. A Hyper 212+, Titan Fenrir or Megahalems Rev. B are good options.
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February 10, 2011 11:58:11 AM

Okay, one more question guys, somewhat relevant to the thread topic.

Will a Scythe Mugen 2 fit inside my HAF 922 (which has a 200mm fan attached to the side) and also not block the Corsair 2x2GB DDR2 XMS2 that I plan to get?
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a c 286 K Overclocking
February 10, 2011 12:31:17 PM

Here the dimensions of both, cooler and case.

HAF 922: 253-30 side fan x 502 x 563 (WxHxD)mm
Muger 2: 130 x 158 x 150 (WxHxD)mm dual fan

Even with the side fan the cooler fit without problems.
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February 11, 2011 1:13:16 PM

^Kind of you to do that, saint19.

Anyway, I'm just confused about what cooler to get. Each review says something different about each product and it's impossible to figure out who is the most correct.

I'm considering the following coolers:
- Titan Fenrir Evo
- Scythe Mugen 2
- Zalman CNPS10X Extreme

I won't be getting any new fans as I want to use them at stock.

Just about ANY advice will be appreciated.
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a c 324 K Overclocking
February 11, 2011 1:16:52 PM

@OP-

Also consider your case airflow. Even the best cooler will fail to keep your CPU cool without adequate airflow. If you get the cooler installed, and don't see better temps at the same CPU speed, you need to address case airflow.

Test temps as usual with benchmarks.

Pull side of case, blow a house fan on high into your case.

Rerun benchmarks, note temps.

If your temps go down, you need better airflow. If they stay the same, a better cooler might be in order.
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a c 286 K Overclocking
February 11, 2011 1:26:57 PM

maz89 said:
^Kind of you to do that, saint19.

Anyway, I'm just confused about what cooler to get. Each review says something different about each product and it's impossible to figure out who is the most correct.

I'm considering the following coolers:
- Titan Fenrir Evo
- Scythe Mugen 2
- Zalman CNPS10X Extreme

I won't be getting any new fans as I want to use them at stock.

Just about ANY advice will be appreciated.


The cooler depends of your preference and budget, the reviews are do it under controlled ambient with different component and not inside of a case, that makes a difference.

From those that you list, the Titan Fenrir is a very solid cooler but if you have the budget for the Zalman, is a better option.
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February 11, 2011 1:45:01 PM

The cooler depends of your preference and budget, the reviews are do it under controlled ambient with different component and not inside of a case, that makes a difference.

From those that you list, the Titan Fenrir is a very solid cooler but if you have the budget for the Zalman, is a better option. said:
The cooler depends of your preference and budget, the reviews are do it under controlled ambient with different component and not inside of a case, that makes a difference.

From those that you list, the Titan Fenrir is a very solid cooler but if you have the budget for the Zalman, is a better option.
But according to this review (for example), Fenrir has better temperatures than the Zalman.

What do you think about Corsair A50 and A70?

My budget is somewhat flexible (not enough to get me a Noctua, though). My preference is to get something that'll last me until I get a core i7.
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a c 286 K Overclocking
February 11, 2011 2:14:08 PM

A50 and A70 are crap (IMO), with the same price of A70 you get the NH-D14 or Thermalright Silver Arrow that gives you much better temps.

Regarding the review, here are the top 5 coolers for Intel and AMD. http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm
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a c 146 K Overclocking
February 11, 2011 3:15:26 PM

Here's a list of the "best of the best" as of 3rd quarter 2010.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

The V6GT is in the 2nd tier along with the Noctua NH-D14, Zalman CNPS10X-Performa, Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme ..... but the 212 didn't make the cut this time around. The big 3 in the 1st tier are the Prolimatech Megahalems, Thermalright Venomous-X RT and the Scythe Mugen 2 SCMG-2100, with the Scythe taking the best budget cooler title.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

However, tho I have long been a critic of the "faux water coolers" (i.e. the H50 and H70 made by Asetek), it would appear that Asetek's latest collaboration product (sold only thru Antec ..... Asetek has no equivalent model) is a winner.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...


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a c 146 K Overclocking
February 11, 2011 3:20:21 PM

Hobybobag said:
I've read some really good things about the Spire Thermax Eclipse 2, you might want to look into it
http://frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2521


I have stopped looking at frostytech as they appear to still be testing their coolers on an ancient LGA 775 test platform. Since the heat signatures of CPU's used in today's builds are wholly different from the old 775, I find their testing irrelevant. My last 775 build I think was in 2005.

http://www.frostytech.com/testmethod_mk2.cfm

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In its other configuration, FrostyTech's Mk.II Platform delivers a 150W and 85W heat load to socket 775 compatible Intel Pentium 4/D/Extreme Edition, Celeron, Core 2 Duo & Core 2 Quad class heatsinks by way of a 30mm x 30mm copper interface die.

In its AMD K8 configuration, FrostyTech's Mk.II Platform delivers a 125W heat load to socket 754, socket 939, socket 940 and socket AM2/AM2+/AM3 compatible AMD Athlon64/FX/X2, Sempron & Opteron class heatsinks by way of a 38mm x 38mm copper interface die.
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February 11, 2011 4:18:15 PM

A50 and A70 are crap (IMO), with the same price of A70 you get the NH-D14 or Thermalright Silver Arrow that gives you much better temps.

Regarding the review, here are the top 5 coolers for Intel and AMD. http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm said:
A50 and A70 are crap (IMO), with the same price of A70 you get the NH-D14 or Thermalright Silver Arrow that gives you much better temps.

Regarding the review, here are the top 5 coolers for Intel and AMD. http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm
The NH-D14 costs a good 20 pounds more than the A70. That's hardly the same price!

JackNaylorPE said:
Here's a list of the "best of the best" as of 3rd quarter 2010.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

The V6GT is in the 2nd tier along with the Noctua NH-D14, Zalman CNPS10X-Performa, Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme ..... but the 212 didn't make the cut this time around. The big 3 in the 1st tier are the Prolimatech Megahalems, Thermalright Venomous-X RT and the Scythe Mugen 2 SCMG-2100, with the Scythe taking the best budget cooler title.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
In the Top Performers, we also have the Titan Fenrir. So now it *is* a great choice? And preferable over the Zalman?
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a c 286 K Overclocking
February 11, 2011 5:35:16 PM

maz89 said:
The NH-D14 costs a good 20 pounds more than the A70. That's hardly the same price!

In the Top Performers, we also have the Titan Fenrir. So now it *is* a great choice? And preferable over the Zalman?


1- Sorry, I'm referring to H50 and H70 made by Asetek, the A70 looks good but cost more that Hyper 212+.
2- The Zalman is better for price/performance/noise, that's why we prefer it.
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a c 146 K Overclocking
February 11, 2011 5:37:34 PM

maz89 said:
In the Top Performers, we also have the Titan Fenrir. So now it *is* a great choice? And preferable over the Zalman?


You decide:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

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Intel-LGA1366 CPU Cooler Thermal Difference

ProlimaTech Megahalems 24.29°C over ambient
Thermalright Venomous-X 24.47°C over ambient
Scythe Mugen-2 SCMG-2000 26.03°C over ambient
Cogage Arrow 26.53°C over ambient
Titan FENRIR TTC-NK85TZ 27.92°C over ambient
Zalman CNPS10X-Performa 28.08°C over ambient
Coolink Corator-DS 28.38°C over ambient
Cogage TRUE Spirit 28.39°C over ambient
Noctual NH-D14 (2x 140) 29.10°C over ambient
ProlimaTech Armageddon 29.26°C over ambient
Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme 29.40°C over ambient
CyberPowerPC XtremeGear HP-1216B 29.42°C over ambient
3R-System IceAge Prima Boss-II IA-120B2 29.46°C over ambient
Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme 29.52°C over ambient
Intel DBX-B ATS (Performance) 29.65°C over ambient
Xigmatek Balder SD1283 CAC-SXHH3-U06 30.00°C over ambient
Xigmatek Thor's Hammer S126384 30.76°C over ambient
Noctua NH-U12P 31.68°C over ambient
Thermaltake Contac-29 CLP0568 32.60°C over ambient


The Scythe Mugen 2 at $40 is a sure winner if budget is a criteria.

Note however that these tests are subject to heat signature variations which differ by CPU. In the 950 test, the top 3 finishers were the same but in different order.That test went : http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

1) Venemous X
2) Scythe Mugen 2 (+0.27C)
3) Prolmatech Megahalems (+0.89).

In the 920 test, the Mega was on top again..... http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

1) Prolimatech Megahalems
2) Prolimatech SuperMega (+0.2)
3) VenemousX (+0.5)
4) Scythe Mugen 2 (+2.50C)
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February 11, 2011 6:45:07 PM

saint19 said:
1- Sorry, I'm referring to H50 and H70 made by Asetek, the A70 looks good but cost more that Hyper 212+.
2- The Zalman is better for price/performance/noise, that's why we prefer it.
1- But it also performs much better. It's too bad it wasn't a part of the mega-review carried out by benchmarkreviews; would have been great to know where it stood with the big names.
2- According to this review of Titan Fenrir EVO, it is much quieter than the Zalman, even though it doesn't perform quite as well (it does come pretty damn close). It's definitely not a bad buy, and you said as much.

JackNaylorPE said:
You decide:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

Quote:
Intel-LGA1366 CPU Cooler Thermal Difference

ProlimaTech Megahalems 24.29°C over ambient
Thermalright Venomous-X 24.47°C over ambient
Scythe Mugen-2 SCMG-2000 26.03°C over ambient
Cogage Arrow 26.53°C over ambient
Titan FENRIR TTC-NK85TZ 27.92°C over ambient
Zalman CNPS10X-Performa 28.08°C over ambient
Coolink Corator-DS 28.38°C over ambient
Cogage TRUE Spirit 28.39°C over ambient
Noctual NH-D14 (2x 140) 29.10°C over ambient
ProlimaTech Armageddon 29.26°C over ambient
Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme 29.40°C over ambient
CyberPowerPC XtremeGear HP-1216B 29.42°C over ambient
3R-System IceAge Prima Boss-II IA-120B2 29.46°C over ambient
Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme 29.52°C over ambient
Intel DBX-B ATS (Performance) 29.65°C over ambient
Xigmatek Balder SD1283 CAC-SXHH3-U06 30.00°C over ambient
Xigmatek Thor's Hammer S126384 30.76°C over ambient
Noctua NH-U12P 31.68°C over ambient
Thermaltake Contac-29 CLP0568 32.60°C over ambient


The Scythe Mugen 2 at $40 is a sure winner if budget is a criteria.

Note however that these tests are subject to heat signature variations which differ by CPU. In the 950 test, the top 3 finishers were the same but in different order.That test went : http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

1) Venemous X
2) Scythe Mugen 2 (+0.27C)
3) Prolmatech Megahalems (+0.89).

In the 920 test, the Mega was on top again..... http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

1) Prolimatech Megahalems
2) Prolimatech SuperMega (+0.2)
3) VenemousX (+0.5)
4) Scythe Mugen 2 (+2.50C)
Ha, why all the fuss over a mere 0.16C?

I notice you're using the results of the high output fan to compare the coolers, which makes sense, ofcourse - the best way to judge the cooling potential of the heatsinks is to test all of them under similar conditions, i.e. using the same, high output fan.

However, I think I'm more interested in determining what kind of performance I'll get at stock since I don't intend on getting a high output fan anytime soon. According to the 920 test (Q2), the rankings are like:
1. CM V6GT
2. Prolimatech Megahalems (+0.9)
3. Prolimatech Super Mega (+1.1)
4. Scythe Mugen 2 (+3.0)
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7. Zalman CNPS 10X Performa (+3.2)
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11. Titan Fenrir (+6.3)

I guess the Prolimatechs shouldn't count so much since a fan isn't even provided with these and a separate fan would need to be purchased and therefore factored into the total cost.

With the 930 test, it goes something like:
1. Venomous X
2. Zalman CNPS 10X Performa (+0.34)
3. Xigmatek Aegir (+0.8)
4. Scythe Mugen 2 (+2.41)
5. Titan Evo (+2.85)

Now that's what you call conflicting results. I'd have loved to known where the V6GT would have ranked in the 930 test. It was my initial, initial choice (since it was the only thing available where I live, urgh) and the reviews were mostly positive.

The Zalman CNPS 10X Performa looks great, but I can't find it on overclockersuk. (As you might have guessed, I don't actually live in the UK and plan to get whatever component through a friend who does live there.) So any reliable websites you guys could recommend where I could look for the Performa?
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February 11, 2011 8:37:57 PM

^Thanks Davcon.

Okay, I know I shouldn't ask but why is the Performa selling for less than the Extreme when it is supposedly better? The difference is of about £17 and that's a lot! Excellent bang for the buck, is it not?
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February 12, 2011 11:24:38 AM

Okay, so I've narrowed it down to three choices.

1. Prolimatech Megahalems
2. Zalman CNPS10X Performa
3. Scythe Mugen 2

And I plan to purchase at least 1 Yate Loon D12SH-12 fan (it'll be necessary for the Megahalems since none are provided).

Thanks a lot you guys. Appreciate it.
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a b K Overclocking
February 12, 2011 12:28:12 PM

The megahelms is good although it's surprisingly small which is a good thing.

The Zalman shouldn't be on that list, how did it get there?, the NH-D14 beats it according to 5 sources. The Performa is a mid range $40 cooler.

You guys are only relying on a single source, I speak based on 3-6 reviews; not out of my ass.

The Scythe Mugen isn't even sold in the market anymore, it's soo old, though it's pretty good.

Reconsider the NH-D14, better according to 6 sources, if you want the links just ask, I'm too lazy to get them right now.

AND the v6gt shouldn't be anywhere in this discussion, it can't compete with the NH-D14/
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February 12, 2011 12:34:16 PM

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The megahelms is good although it's surprisingly small which is a good thing.

The Zalman shouldn't be on that list, how did it get there?, the NH-D14 beats it according to 5 sources. The Performa is a mid range $40 cooler.

You guys are only relying on a single source, I speak based on 3-6 reviews; not out of my ass.

The Scythe Mugen isn't even sold in the market anymore, it's soo old, though it's pretty good.

Reconsider the NH-D14, better according to 6 sources, if you want the links just ask, I'm too lazy to get them right now.
The Zalman and Scythe I've included because they give excellent value for money, which is welcome for people on a budget. The Noctua I definitely admire but it's huge and also a bit on the expensive side. With high-output fans, the Zalman and Scythe can catch up to it in terms of performance.

Anything else you'd want to recommend besides the NH D14?

Also mn96, I'd be grateful if you could address some of my queries here.
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a b K Overclocking
February 12, 2011 1:30:53 PM

The megahelms with TWO fans.
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February 12, 2011 1:32:18 PM

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The megahelms with TWO fans.
I don't know if two fans would fit in a HAF 922 and my relatively smaller-sized motherboard. :( 
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a b K Overclocking
February 12, 2011 2:01:21 PM

maz89 said:
I don't know if two fans would fit in a HAF 922 and my relatively smaller-sized motherboard. :( 


Your motherboard fits, it's an ATX motherboard, why are you calling it small, it's the standard size.

Measure the clearance in your case and check it's dimensions (the megahelm) on newegg, duh!
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February 12, 2011 2:17:41 PM

12 inch x 7.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 19.3 cm ) - emphasis on the 7.6 inch/19.3cm < is this not usually larger for ATX motherboards? I mean it's ATX, the standard size and everything, but because of its smaller width, do things not get pushed together somewhat (such as the processor and the RAM slots) making it harder for fit huge coolers?

Err... or does that not really matter as long as it's 12 inches in length?

Anyway, I'll measure the clearance in my case to get a rough idea, and hopefully, a second fan.
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a c 183 K Overclocking
February 12, 2011 11:04:51 PM

maz89 said:
Okay, so I've narrowed it down to three choices.

1. Prolimatech Megahalems
2. Zalman CNPS10X Performa
3. Scythe Mugen 2

And I plan to purchase at least 1 Yate Loon D12SH-12 fan (it'll be necessary for the Megahalems since none are provided).

Thanks a lot you guys. Appreciate it.

Prolimatech Megahalems - £40.84 inc VAT
http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=41...
Scythe Mugen 2 - £36.95inc. vat
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158603

Others i would seriously consider.
Prolimatech Armageddon - £31.19 inc. VAT (price is ridculously cheap) same performance as Megahalems.
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Fans%2C+Heats...
The two Thermalright units are probably the two best coolers currently available imo and include the TY-140mm fan.
Thermalright Silver Arrow - £59.99 inc VAT
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS...
Thermalright Archon - £59.99 inc VAT
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS...
Btw all the units will fit comfortably in a 922 which is 10" wide.
Worst case scenario is if you chose the Archon 170mm tall you might have to remove your side fan.
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February 14, 2011 11:28:49 AM

I've decided to go ahead and get the Prolimatech Megahalems and two Yate Loon D12SH-12 high output fans.

Thanks a lot guys.
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February 14, 2011 11:29:22 AM

Best answer selected by maz89.
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a c 183 K Overclocking
February 14, 2011 11:50:57 AM

maz89 said:
Best answer selected by maz89.

nLOL! based on a fountain of misinformation.
nYou made a good choice though with the Mega!
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February 14, 2011 11:57:10 AM

Truth be told, Davcon, there were plenty of good posts and I just chose a random one of mn96's since he had been a real help.

The only misinformation in that post of his, though, was the bit about Zalman Performa being mediocre. It's actually pretty good (although it's quite noisy).
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a b K Overclocking
February 14, 2011 12:39:47 PM

davcon said:
LOL! based on a fountain of misinformation.
You made a good choice though with the Mega!


misinformation, LOL, validity of information is field of my education!

Before I decided to recommend some coolers I was going to comment on your misinformation but I decided to just recommend some coolers,

relying on a single source is what you did, all you did was link to a single review website, without any other sources than that site nor did you even try any of the coolers,

I already said that I was speaking according to more than one source because every installation gets different results, sometimes bubbles build up on the thermal paste which make a surprisingly big difference in temperatures, sometimes the cooler is tilted reducing it's contact with the processor which is why you should depend on several sources, why don't you google some reviews of the coolers you've listed and see where they stand according to your conclusions,

I dare you to go say that to a company like frostytech,

about the CNPS10X performa, it is the worst one in your list, it may be good but the rest are better which is why it shouldn't be short listed and it is also the noisiest air cooler I have ever witnessed!
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a c 286 K Overclocking
February 14, 2011 12:53:00 PM

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