Help! which Graphics card or Config. of cards to use

Help!

I sure could use some help on my video card selection. With the newest cards ATI 4890 and Nvidia GTX295 out I'm not sure which way to go. I don't know if one of the latest cards is a good choice or two cards. I know two is better then one, but not sure which way to go I have everything bought except for the graphic card or cards. I've tried looking up the cards on the forum but there was so much out there that I got totally confused. I want this build to last another year or so. The following is what I have purchased already. I sure would appreciate any advice.

Case
Lian Li PC-B70
$269.00

Motherboard
ASUS P6T Deluxe V2
290$

Processor
Intel Core i7-920 Nehalem 2.66GHz
$289

CPU Cooler
Thermalright True Black 120 Rev.A (With Fan)
$84

Graphics Card or Cards
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Hard Drive
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB (Two in Raid 0 configuration)
$200

Memory
G.Skill Tri Channel Memory F3-12800CL8TU-6GBPI
$ 87.00

Power Supply
Corsair CMPSU-850TX850W ATX12V2.2
$128

Already owned 24” in monitor
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  1. Not bad at all.

    With that MB and PSU, you can have two GTX 285 cards or two HD 4890 cards. You can compare performance at 1920x1200 here for example:

    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gtx285sli-hd4890cf_9.html

    In all those games, the GTX 285 has one meaningful win (52 fps vs 40 fps in Mass Effect). The HD 4890 CF also has a single meaningful win (60 fps vs 38 fps in HAWX). Even in these cases, 38 or 40 fps is playable all right so you can't go wrong either way.

    In all other games in the benchmarks you will see both setups doing over 60 fps, which is the typical monitor's limit, so they will be indistinguishable. Or they do something like 40 fps vs 38 fps, which again is playable and you won't be able to see a difference.
  2. +1 it basically comes down to ati fan or nvidia fan.

    4890 can has it's potential to oc far.

    Both cards will fit your needs in gaming or with what ever you do.
  3. I agree. The 4890 is standing out right now. Crossfire would demolish competition right now with that card...I would recommend the GTX 295 but its just wat too expensive for its performance...unless you can get x2 4770's or x2 GTX275's or x2 GTX 260's. The GTX 285 is good too, but a little high in price like the GTX 295.
  4. Kill@dor said:
    I agree. The 4890 is standing out right now. Crossfire would demolish competition right now with that card...I would recommend the GTX 295 but its just wat too expensive for its performance...unless you can get x2 4770's or x2 GTX275's or x2 GTX 260's. The GTX 285 is good too, but a little high in price like the GTX 295.


    Kill

    I could do a two card set up. Would the GTX 285 be the best setup over ATI 4890 single card?
  5. LOL, you're lazy... Here's a table for you comparing one GTX 285 with one HD 4890 at 1920x1200. The numbers are from the same review I linked earlier, and rounded:

    GTX 285 HD 4890

    CoD: 54 66
    Cryis 17 19
    QW 96 95
    FarCry 49 44
    FEAR 100 82
    Left4 96 84
    Stalker 29 30
    Fallout3 50 66

    etc etc.

    They are again identical for all practical purposes. The GTX has a meaningless win (100 vs 82 in FEAR, both reduced to 60 by the monitor). The HD 4890 has an almost meaningless win in Fallout 3 (66 fps is not really distinguishable from 50 fps IMO). Do notice however that with a single card you won't enjoy Stalker (29 fps) and Crysis even less (19 fps). You would need to lower the resolution and/or the eye candy for the more demanding games.
  6. I don't mean to be lazy. But to be honest with you I don't understand all of the benchmarks. I think I understand what you are showing GTX 1st & 4890 2nd. But I'm not sure on the benchmarks for 2 GTX 285 cards. It sounds to me maybe at the present one GTX 285 and down the road add another one when games become more demanding. Is this correct? Easy now.
  7. I wouldnt see most games running both cards unless its crysis.. 4890 oc'd crossfired would probably be the most power hungry set of cards.

    If your thinking on dualing the gtx 285 or 4890, look at the corsair 1000hx..
  8. Here is a guide for dual GPU set up...and the amount of power needed....

    http://game.amd.com/us-en/crossfirex_components.aspx?p=3

    650W should be perfect for a single GPU...
  9. ^a good 750w would do that job, e.g a corsair or silverstone 750w.
  10. For one HD 4890 or one GTX 285, a Corsair 650TX is enough.

    For two HD 4890, Corsair 750TX is enough.

    For two GTX 285, nVidia recommends the Corsair 1000HX, but I think the 850TX will do all right too.
    http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html

    By all means get a single card for now. The second one may not be needed at all, depending on which games you like. If it turns out you do want a second card, it will be cheaper in a few months.

    Between GTX 285 and HD 4890: if they were the same price, I'd get the GTX 285 because it is a bit faster. However, with the GTX 285 at $330 and the HD 4890 at $230 (both made by XFX, both at Newegg, both without bundled games), I'd prefer the HD 4890.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150367
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150359
  11. aevm said:
    For one HD 4890 or one GTX 285, a Corsair 650TX is enough.

    For two HD 4890, Corsair 750TX is enough.

    For two GTX 285, nVidia recommends the Corsair 1000HX, but I think the 850TX will do all right too.
    http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html

    By all means get a single card for now. The second one may not be needed at all, depending on which games you like. If it turns out you do want a second card, it will be cheaper in a few months.

    Between GTX 285 and HD 4890: if they were the same price, I'd get the GTX 285 because it is a bit faster. However, with the GTX 285 at $330 and the HD 4890 at $230 (both made by XFX, both at Newegg, both without bundled games), I'd prefer the HD 4890.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150367
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150359



    When you determine which is faster do you look at the Core Clock speed? or do you look at the Shader clock Memory clock or? Also is DDR5 ram faster then DDR3?
    I'm so green at this

    GTX 285 shows 670MHz CCS

    &

    HD-489A-ZDFC shows 850MHz CCS

    Brand XFX
    Model GX285XZWFF
    Interface
    Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16
    Chipset
    Chipset Manufacturer NVIDIA
    GPU GeForce GTX 285
    Core Clock 670MHz
    Shader Clock 1476 MHz
    Stream Processors 240 Processor Cores
    Memory
    Memory Clock 2500MHz
    Memory Size 1GB
    Memory Interface 512-bit
    Memory Type DDR3
    Ports
    DVI 2
    TV-Out HDTV Out
    General
    Max Resolution 2560 x 1600
    RoHS Compliant Yes
    SLI Supported Yes
    Cooler With Fan
    System Requirements 650 Watt
    Dual-Link DVI Supported Yes
    HDCP Ready Yes


    Model
    Brand XFX
    Model HD-489A-ZDFC
    Interface
    Interface PCI Express 2.0 x16
    Chipset
    Chipset Manufacturer ATI
    GPU Radeon HD 4890
    Core Clock 850MHz
    Memory
    Memory Size 1GB
    Memory Interface 256-bit
    Memory Type DDR5
    3D API
    DirectX DirectX 10.1
    Ports
    DVI 2
    General
    Max Resolution 2560 x 1600
    System Requirements Minimum Power Supply Requirement: 500 Watt
    Power Connector 2 x 6 Pin
    Dual-Link DVI Supported Yes
    HDCP Ready Yes
    Manufacturer Warranty
    Parts Lifetime limited
    Labor Lifetime limited
  12. Bigdog100 said:
    When you determine which is faster do you look at the Core Clock speed? or do you look at the Shader clock Memory clock or? Also is DDR5 ram faster then DDR3?


    You cannot compare specs between ATI and Nvidia. The only way to compare is with game performance.

    GDDR5 is faster than GDDR3, but the size of the memory interface also matters (ie 256 bit, 448 bit etc.).
  13. I compare the numbers from the benchmarks. It's the only way, unfortunately.

    All those clocks are useful only if you want to compare two flavors of the same card, like for example a standard GTX 285 with a factory-overclocked GTX 285.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130442
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130487
    When you do that, the clocks give a decent idea about the relative speeds of those cards.

    However, if you try to compare an Nvidia card with an ATI card based on clocks, it's totally pointless. Apples and oranges, you know. They have totally different architectures, with different types and numbers of stream processors.

    Here's a simpler example: let's say you downclock a GTX 285 to use the same clocks as an 8800GTX (that's an older card, used to be the best in 2007, I got one myself). This is a simpler comparison because they both use the same type of stream processors. Even at the same clocks, the GTX 285 would win big against the 8800GTX simply because it has almost twice as many stream processors.


    Between GDDR3 and GDDR5 - the GDDR5 does give the ATI card an advantage. The card consumes less and gets better results and is cheaper to make, compared to what they could have achieved with GDDR3. I'm sure nVidia will start using GDDR5 too, pretty soon, because it would allow them to cut prices and compete better.
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  15. I deeply want to express my appreciation for all the knowledgeable and generous reply's you all have provided. You guys are one reason that this site is what it is. Magnificent!!! I think I'll speed a little more money and go with the BFG GTX 285 OCX graphics card. If this is not a good choice and is over kill or not worth the extra money please don't hesitate to say one way or the other. Again thanks for all your input.
  16. I think you'll be happy with that choice.

    My own card is a factory overclocked BFG too (BFG 8800GTX OC2) and I'm happy with it. It's quieter than other flavors of 8800GTX, for example. :)

    I'm not sure which card you're looking at, actually. There are 4 BFG GTX 285 cards at newegg, all factory overclocked. These two here are the best bang for the buck IMO:

    $325, 666 MHz (standard is 648)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143168

    $340, 675 MHz
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143170

    There's another one that costs $390, 691 MHz - not worth it IMO.

    Then there's a water cooled version that costs way too much and doesn't include games either.
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