Regor vs Wolfdale, which is better?

THey're comparable in terms of performance

but what are the benefits and advantages over each other? and disadvantages?

like the Regor comes with VT
The e5200 doesn't

the e5200 is great for OCing
is the Regor good for OCing?

@stock : a good regor is clearly better

@overclocking: LOL! You people know the answer to this one...

Yeah, but the new RO stepping e5200 does 4 ghz on almost stock voltage now so it has changed a lot. I think it was only .04 voltages that was needed. Some people are saying the older stepping is a dud compared to it. Although, I was able to get about 4.1 ghz with the older stepping but this required a voltage of about 1.5v. I think I needed significant cooling at those voltages to push a bit further also.

Ah, the Tualeron. They were pretty good chips back in the day and still can work well as the brains behind a standard-def HTPC or file server. My file server has a PIII 1.0B Coppermine, which is a bit older and noticeably slower than your 1.2 Tualatin.

The Athlon II X2 240 is faster at stock speeds than the Pentium Dual Core E5200. The E5200 can overclock a little farther than the X2 240, but it's not a huge margin. Most people who OC E5200s run them a little over 4 GHz and most Athlon II overclockers run their at just a little under 4 GHz. So all in all, I would pick the Athlon II X2 240 if I was not intending to overclock, since it's faster at stock and the parts are less expensive. If I was going to overclock, the E5200 is a little faster but a little more expensive, so it's a toss-up.

The AMD Athlon II X2 240 is faster than the E5200 when both are at stock speeds. The E5200 overclocks better though and thus should come out on top with both oveclocked. Of course, overclocking the E5200 as such requires the investment of a good board (cheap boards have trouble taking it over 3.0Ghz) while the 240 can make do with a cheaper board to overclock reasonably well.

There are ~$50 mobos out there that can take the e5200 past 4 ghz easily. Most of these boards don't have voltage control, but there are a few, or there used to be several that was just unheard of for the price.

I should know, I built a total system with the cpu/mobo being only 120 dollars for about 4ghz performance. Which is why I find it funny watching these people trying to justify their purchase in one way or another. Hell, I was going to get the AMD AM2 X2 5200+ setup if it wasn't for the e5200 being available at the time.

I was actually waiting for the dual core version of i7, but calling that ahead of time and actually waiting for something that isn't even on intel's planning map was something else...

Yeah, I'd have to say that the Regor is the most appealing so far overall. I did have this setup for a while now...

I do find it great that the RO stepping is a lot better. Selling it for the new stepping is almost close to nothing if at all to upgrade.

Although, the Regor chips are quite the bargain and performance chips, they brought them out just a tadbit too late if you ask me.

That is what i thought, it is good for upgrading but also good for now.

Uses:

gaming, mild, just those download games that are color intensive

heavy web surfing lots of tabs open on firefox and chrome + researching (around 8 -9 tabs at a time)

Word docs open about 4-5 every time

and future upgradibility

for under $300

i have an optical drive, HDD from old comp. IS ULTRADMA COMPATIBLE WITH THIS MOBO? IDK THE TYPE OF CONNECTION IT REQUIRES. PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION, I HAVE ASKED IT SEVERAL TIMES AND NO ONE ANSWERS ME.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128394
gigabyte mobo AM3 mATX

RAM is OCZ 4 gigs @800 mhz

case Antec w/ 430 watt psu

I need some good RAM overall upradibility, which is why i switched from my former e5200 setup to this, i can upgrade to a phenom II down the lane. or whatever new comes out

can't tell on the regor core if ur talking about that.

i can't tell on that one either

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819116072

check it out

what do u mean? i haven't bought anything yet i am just looking.

Well According to PassMark, the E5200 will be slightly faster than the Athlon II 240, but for whatever reason, if you get a Athlon II 245, ($65) you get a significant performance increase. This is all according to PassMark tests.

So I would lean towards the Athlon because it is based on a newer more efficient platform and there is much more upgradeability with AM3 being a new thing.


PassMark Scores:

Intel E5200 ($65): 1260
Intel E6300 ($83): 1811
AMD AII 240 ($60): 1174
AMD AII 245 ($65): 1796
AMD AII 250 ($75): 1729 < Lower score than 245.

Go with the AM3 setup. At least then you will have yourself open to future upgrades. S775 is a dead end. i3 is just a rebrand of core 2 from what I have heard.

As to the original op, I'd go ahead with the AM3, it's inexpensive and sort of worthwhile it seems. Or you can take a chance thinking that i3/i5 is full of bs and Intel is going to limit them and just get the 775 platform with the e5200 and ~$50 mobo and upgrade to the e8600 when appropriate pricing to your needs is there. I really can't say which is the best, but I can tell you that i7 is definitely not worth it for the price.

It's going to be i9 probably. But if you think about it, the e8600 is going to be around for the while. Seems as though the computer progression has gone nowhere. The way I see it, people have just gotten used to having good stuff after core duo was released and I suppose cpu makers wanted to slow it down a bit I guess. Does matter much to me, my previous computer before my e5200 was a socket 478. Would still be using it if it didn't break on me. I admit even I was wanting a bit more after I got the e5200 chip.

If you're spending the money on a 785g, get yourself a Phenom II 550. It will overclock nicely and you may be able to unlock the 3-4 cores.

^^ Thanks alot, i needed that info, but is the Athlon IIX4 going to be worth it? are there any benchmarks yet?

Okay, after seeing those benchmarks I'd have to say to definitely get the e5200 if your overclocking. That Regor isn't going to touch that e5200 by a long shot.

Hmmm... Weird... My ten dollar hsf is doing just fine... Of course I couldn't get 4 ghz+ Prime 95 stable temps but that's somewhat reasonable.

Athlon II X4 release is now Aug 23rd. Looks like I gave some bad info earlier, sorry about that.

Whats more interesting than the 240, 550, E5300 or E6300 are two chips:-

Athlon II X2 240e -- Dual Core -- 2.8GHz/2M-L2/45nm -- 45 W

and

Athlon II X4 605e -- Quad Core -- 2.3GHz/2M-L2/45nm -- 45W

The 240e is 20 watts less than the 240. It's the same die and clock speed as the 65W 240 meaning it is bin sorted to be able to run at lower voltages. This usually means that it is a select quality part which -- at the same voltages as you would overclock a 240 at -- will probably run at faster clock speeds.

The 605e is basically Phenom without the L3, so 4 x cores with 512MB L2 each. 2.3GHz at 45 watts. Again, being bin selected to run at low voltages, it'll probably overclock better than the 65W rated counterparts.

I got a cheap P35 and stuck an E5300 (SLB9U) in it and run it @ 3.46 on stock voltage. Good little performer. Chews through the games with a decent graphics card.

In hindsight I probably should have got the E5200 though.

The main reason for stepping away from the LGA775 to an AM3 compatable mobo is the upgrade path ... perhaps getting a cheap dual core now and overclocking it, but having the option of sticking a faster quad core in it (which is also cheaper than comparable i7 or LGA775 quad core cpu's).

MU's post is worth reading again - the BE cores allow you to put much less stress on the RAM and Mobo too.

I like the 550 for that reason.

The regor has comparable IPC to the core2 Penryns with 2MB cache (E5xxx).

http://www.austin.net.au/ProductLi [...] ket+AM3%2b

Plenty in stock here locally ... apols for the Aussie dollar.

Very soon... very very soon.

Ever heard of undervolting?

It beats spending more for an EE chip.