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March 6, 2011 9:26:01 AM

Hi,

I've just bought myself a Cooler Master Hyper 212 plus cooler for my AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE.

I have the Cooler Master Elite 430 case with 3 fans (1 front, 1 side, 1 back).

I was idling at around 35 to 40 with the phenom's stock cooler. Now after I install the Hyper 212 plus, the temps still idle at around 35 to 42 degrees celcius.

I used the thermal paste that came along with the cooler. Please suggest me if I am doing something wrong.
a b K Overclocking
March 6, 2011 10:59:44 AM

Two ideas that come to mind are too much thermal paste, or you didn't tighten the heatsink screw enough. Remove sink and try again.
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a c 197 K Overclocking
March 6, 2011 11:03:15 AM

The third thing to come to mind is that you will not see much change in idle temps. It's the load temps where you should see an improvement.
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a b K Overclocking
March 6, 2011 12:08:17 PM

You should still see a very noticeable change in idle temps though load temps are more relevant, I suspect something is wrong with either thermal paste application or installation.
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March 6, 2011 12:21:32 PM

the first time I tried applying the thermal paste with the line method (two lines). I removed the cooler and tried it again but this time I applied the thermal compound directly on the heat sink of the cooler master hyper 212 plus instead of the cpu (wiped thin line with a credit card).

But it seemed to not make any difference. I tried running prime 95 for 30 minutes and the temps goes to 50 degrees.

Is there any problem or is this normal. I checked the heat sink (its tight)
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March 6, 2011 12:24:31 PM

I have the same cpu in an older apevia case with only 2 80mm fans one top one rear both exhaust and stock cpu fan with the side off the case <working on case fan upgrades> I idle 28-32c and under occt 1 hour cpu stress test max 59c (high max I know, thats why side is off and I am ordering new case fans and making a front intake fan work)
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March 6, 2011 12:42:11 PM

I have re-applied the thermal paste but this time to the heat sink itself and not to the cpu. I still face the same problem. I checked my fan profiles (set to manual 41% fan speed when the temp hits 41 degrees). should it be like this or should I change the fan settings.
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March 6, 2011 12:48:48 PM

irfan88 said:
the first time I tried applying the thermal paste with the line method (two lines). I removed the cooler and tried it again but this time I applied the thermal compound directly on the heat sink of the cooler master hyper 212 plus instead of the cpu (wiped thin line with a credit card).

But it seemed to not make any difference. I tried running prime 95 for 30 minutes and the temps goes to 50 degrees.

Is there any problem or is this normal. I checked the heat sink (its tight)


should prolly try stressing for at least an hour to get your max but 50c isnt bad, if your idle temps are high you should maybe check your smart fan target and fan speed in your bios, also if cool and quiet is enabled or not, is this cpu overclocked at all?

as for the thermal paste install, if the hyper 212 has the same layout on the base as the TX3 I have in my old system then there are some small gaps along the edges of the heatpipes where they meet with the aluminum block, its best to fill these with paste then use a razorblade or creditcard to scrape the surface clean so that it make it all even (should have next to no paste anywhere except the gaps) then apply about half a pea sized dot of paste on the cpu right in the middle and place the heatsink on it letting the pressure of the mounting spread it.

the basic idea is to get the most metal to metal contact as you can while allowing no air spaces, while the surface of the cpu and heatsink seems smooth if you looked close enough you would see tons of tiny scratches and pits, the thermal paste fills these with somthing other than air to help conduct heat since air is a terrible conductor
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March 6, 2011 12:56:22 PM

irfan88 said:
I have re-applied the thermal paste but this time to the heat sink itself and not to the cpu. I still face the same problem. I checked my fan profiles (set to manual 41% fan speed when the temp hits 41 degrees). should it be like this or should I change the fan settings.

Try bumping that fan speed up to 50% if your talking about smart fan I believe the temp setting is the threshold where the fan speed starts to ramp up and the fan speed % is what speed the fan stays at untill that temp threshold is met, I currently keep mine at 50/50 meaning fan runs at 50% speed untill cpu hits 50c then starts speeding up
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a c 183 K Overclocking
March 6, 2011 1:23:40 PM

Put the side fan on top as an exhaust fan.
Much more effective for cooling a case since intake side fans don't accomplish much.
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a b K Overclocking
March 6, 2011 1:33:30 PM

jsc said:
The third thing to come to mind is that you will not see much change in idle temps. It's the load temps where you should see an improvement.


I must disagree.

I just got mine as well (on Friday, to be exact) and tested it out over the weekend. Stock core speeds on my Q8400 is 2.66GHz. Idle temps before the cooler installation was around 36'C~40'C depending on if it was a hot day or a cool one.

Installed the Hyper 212+ and that dropped to 31'C.

Overclocked on stock cooling (OC to 3.2GHz) and the thing ran quite hot, reaching 49'C idle easily.

Installed the Hyper 212+ and that dropped to 35'C~37'C.

I used the heat sink compound that came with the cooler, and installed another 120mm fan on the heatsink (with the provided clips and things). A very important thing to do with this cooler (I made the same mistake) is that the screws need to be tightened FULLY. The screws that hold the heatsink in place, the physical ones on top of the motherboard must be screwed in as far as they would go. Do not worry about overtightening, they lock when they are tight enough. I tightened mine all the way, and the cooler now sits just right. If you don't tighten them all the way, the cooler sits loosely on the CPU and you get a crappy connection and thus pathetic heat dissapation.

Oh, and at full loads, the overclocked CPU still has to reach 50'C... :D 

I'm going to be trying it out on 3D Mark 06 tonight, see if I can stress the cooler a bit :D 
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a b K Overclocking
March 6, 2011 1:38:12 PM

OK, might be a stupid question, but did you remove the film cover on the contact patch before applying the heatsink to the cooler...?
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a b K Overclocking
March 6, 2011 1:38:26 PM

OK, might be a stupid question, but did you remove the film cover on the contact patch before applying the heatsink to the cooler...?
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March 6, 2011 1:56:32 PM

How do I adjust my fan speed to 50 percent. I don't know how to do it.

I also haven't overclocked my CPU yet (will get another fan for the cooler in push pull configuration and then try to overclock).

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March 6, 2011 2:24:06 PM

not for sure on your mobo how to do it but on mine if I go into the bios and go to HW monitor there is an option for cpu smart fan target, when you enable it you choose a temp then under that is an option for the fan %

you said its set for 41% at 41c did you set that? if so how? I am thinking you may be fine with higher fan speed at idle since your temps are not to bad under load
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March 6, 2011 2:34:54 PM

I did not set the fan speed. its already set. I have an Asus motherboard M4N75TD. There is a software installed namely asus fan expert. I saw it in that.

well , I saw my motherboard bios. I think I will try setting the fan speed to 50% on idle. Will that be ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or should I set it to a bit higher than that.
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March 6, 2011 4:08:51 PM

set it higher than it is currently set, if its set at 40% try 50% keep bumping it up a little untill you get to idle temps you are comfortable with and fan noise you can handle
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March 6, 2011 7:03:49 PM

also check your Amd cool and quiet settings, since your not overclocked if you set this to auto it can reduce your idle temps by a decent amount, it should be in your bios under cell menu
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March 7, 2011 2:31:27 AM

I have changed the fan settings to 50% above 20 degrees and 100% at 60 degrees but still no success. its the same temperature. I am getting 36 degrees celcius as the temperature right now. AMD cool and quiet is disabled because if I set it ON then the CPU speed will reduce itself to 800 Mhz instead of 3200 Mhz.

Please tell me what has to be done now. The fan is running at 1600 RPM now.
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March 7, 2011 3:08:13 AM

irfan88 said:
I have changed the fan settings to 50% above 20 degrees and 100% at 60 degrees but still no success. its the same temperature. I am getting 36 degrees celcius as the temperature right now. AMD cool and quiet is disabled because if I set it ON then the CPU speed will reduce itself to 800 Mhz instead of 3200 Mhz.

Please tell me what has to be done now. The fan is running at 1600 RPM now.

cool and quite to auto will reduce the cpu only when the extra speed isnt needed its meant to save power when its not needed and less power means less heat, try setting cool and quiet to auto see your idle temps, then run a stress test and watch your cpu speed, it should go up to its normal when loaded iirc
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March 7, 2011 4:04:43 AM

What if I overclock my cpu. should I still enable the cool and quiet function on the Phenom II 955 X4 BE.
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March 7, 2011 4:24:47 AM

irfan88 said:
What if I overclock my cpu. should I still enable the cool and quiet function on the Phenom II 955 X4 BE.

no if overclocking you need to disable cool and quiet to keep the voltage stable from what i hear, but in the mean time if your not oc'in it will help you on idle temps if your going to OC then you will need to improve case airflow, and prolly run your fans at 100%, just a thought, what way did you install the cpu cooler? blowing down/up or front/back? front/back is best perfomance
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March 7, 2011 4:29:31 AM

I have installed the cooler master hyper 212 plus with one 120 mm fan backwise. I will probably get another 120mm fan for push/pull config (front/back) setup. will that be helpful.


should I change the fan speed. what speed should I keep the fan. please suggest.
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March 7, 2011 4:52:51 AM

irfan88 said:
I have installed the cooler master hyper 212 plus with one 120 mm fan backwise. I will probably get another 120mm fan for push/pull config (front/back) setup. will that be helpful.


should I change the fan speed. what speed should I keep the fan. please suggest.

yes fan taking air from the front blowing it thru the cooler toward the back of the case is best, a push/pull setup will give you better temps, there is no magic number for fan speeds you just have to adjust them up and down untill you reach a balance you like of temp/noise ratio like I said before your load temp of 50c is fine, having your cool and quiet disabled is why your seeing 35-40c idle temps but to be honest your not overheating at load so are the idle temps that important?, as another suggestion stated above you can get a top exhaust fan in your case to vent hot air out the top, that will help, also make sure your other fans are clean, got good airflow and then start making fan speed adjustments untill you find the ratio your comfortable with
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March 7, 2011 5:10:26 AM

ok, I will get another couple of fans for the case (top and side). I will also get another cooler fan for the push/pull config. Currently I have set the fan speed to 40% at 20 to 30 degrees and 100% at 50 degrees (getting around 35 to 41 degrees idle now). is it good.
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March 7, 2011 5:20:14 AM

irfan88 said:
ok, I will get another couple of fans for the case (top and side). I will also get another cooler fan for the push/pull config. Currently I have set the fan speed to 40% at 20 to 30 degrees and 100% at 50 degrees (getting around 35 to 41 degrees idle now). is it good.

as long as your not hitting close to 62c under full load your safe I would think
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a b K Overclocking
March 7, 2011 11:04:09 AM

Seeing as how you had troubles with keeping the CPU cool at stock speeds, and at idle, I don't think overclocking is a good idea. First try to run the CPU at 35'C or less with the fan at under 1000RPM, and then reconsider.

I have the push/pull effect on my cooler (also Hyper 212 +), and my Core 2 Quad runs at 3.2GHz (upped 20% from 2.66GHz) idle with temps around 30'C~35'C depending on the room temperature and if I turn up the fans in my case (Antec DF-30) or not. The top fan from my case blows directly into the fins of the cooler, and the rear extraction fan lines up perfectly with the extracting fan from the cooler, so it kind of looks like it was made for each other. I'll try and take some pics and try to upload them, so you can see how I did it ("try" is used for I don't know if I will actually remember :/ ).
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March 7, 2011 3:55:17 PM

Toxxyc said:
Seeing as how you had troubles with keeping the CPU cool at stock speeds, and at idle, I don't think overclocking is a good idea. First try to run the CPU at 35'C or less with the fan at under 1000RPM, and then reconsider.

I have the push/pull effect on my cooler (also Hyper 212 +), and my Core 2 Quad runs at 3.2GHz (upped 20% from 2.66GHz) idle with temps around 30'C~35'C depending on the room temperature and if I turn up the fans in my case (Antec DF-30) or not. The top fan from my case blows directly into the fins of the cooler, and the rear extraction fan lines up perfectly with the extracting fan from the cooler, so it kind of looks like it was made for each other. I'll try and take some pics and try to upload them, so you can see how I did it ("try" is used for I don't know if I will actually remember :/ ).

but if he is only getting a max temp of 50c under full loads wouldnt that suggest his cooling is fine he just need to get his fan speeds figured out at idle temps and case airflow? cause when the cpu heats up and the fan ramps up the cooling is good


also you have your top case fan as intake? I thought with the effect of heat rising it was allways best to make the top fan an exhaust to clear hot air from the case?
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a b K Overclocking
March 7, 2011 4:25:58 PM

Whats the question ?
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March 8, 2011 4:31:31 AM

ok, I have a cooler master elite 430 case. the link for the case is :

http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?category_id...


please tell me the places where the intake fans and the exhaust fans to be placed.


I am thinking of this setup now:

2 fans for the CPU (push/pull setup. currently have one but will get another for it)

1 intake - front
1 intake - side
1 exhaust - back
2 exhaust - top (should purchase and then install it)
1 bottom intake fan could not be installed because I have a non modular power supply and all the cables are set in the bottom (too many cables)

so, totally 2 intakes and 3 exhausts. will that be good or the intake fans have to increase.
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March 8, 2011 5:29:03 AM

ok. I will setup the fans as you suggested. but the problem is I have 2 fan mounts at the top of the case. Should I set both the top fans as intake or what???????



and I only have 1 fan at the front as intake.
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a b K Overclocking
March 8, 2011 5:32:10 AM

irfan88 said:
so, totally 2 intakes and 3 exhausts. will that be good or the intake fans have to increase.


General rule = intake fans > exhaust fans.

Turn around two of the fans and run the system with 4 intakes and 1 exhaust. Remember the PSU also has an exhaust funtion. The reason to have more intakes than exhausts is to get the air pressure in the case up. Higher air pressure means more air particles in the case and thus better heat disappation (in a vacuum, no heat gets transferred, thus a vacuum flask keeps your coffee warm for hours).

And on the top-exhaust question:

No, I've tried changing this around, but it's not as effective. Remember, the extracting fan on the cooler spins at 2000RPM, and the stock fan (the one pushing air into the cooler) only goes to 800RPM~900RPM. Thus I made the top fan push extra air in there as well, so that the extracting fan doesn't start to suck too much of a vacuum in the cooler. The rear extraction case fan takes care of extraction out of the case (spinning at about 1200RPM constantly), so I don't need another extraction fan either way.

Oh, about that temperarute issue, I read somewhere that he got around 50'C at IDLE, and not at LOADS. My bad :??: 
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March 8, 2011 6:31:33 AM

so can you tell me what should be the final setup of the fans in my cooler master elite 430 case:

push/pull for the cpu cooler
1 intake - front
1 intake - side
2 intakes - top (or should it be 1 intake and 1 exhaust)
1 exhaust- back

bottom (cannot install as the non modular cables are too many and are seated at the bottom).


please suggest for best airflow.
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a b K Overclocking
March 8, 2011 8:24:02 AM

OK, here goes:

You want two things in case cooling:

1. High air pressure
2. As effective ventilation as possible

The first is aquired by giving the case more intakes than exhausts.

The second is done by thinking a bit smart. There is no use having an intake and an exhaust next to each other, the intake will just suck in the hot air from the exhaust and not help to cooling at all. Here's what I'd do if I were you:

Front fan - Intake
Side fan - Intake
Top fans - Both intake, slow speed
Rear fan - Exhaust

The side fan will be blowing more or less on or between your GFX card and PSU, so some of the air from there will be exhausted via your PSU.

The top fans you don't want blowing down too hard, as that will screw with the overall case ventilation idea of cool air coming in from the front and being exhausted out the back.

The rear fan (the one at the top of the rear panel) is there to exhaust the hot ari from the CPU cooler, so you want the CPU cooler to be mounted in such a way that it blows air into that fan's general direction, whilst keeping the rear fan running at higher speeds (1000RPM~1200RPM) to keep the hot air out of the case at all costs.

This is more or less the general idea behind case cooling. I've seen people setting the side fan as the exhaust, but I think the distance between the CPU cooler and the side fan is just too far for my liking.

See here for a quick Google search image:

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March 8, 2011 5:06:13 PM

allow a little time for burn in,your temps dont always drop right away,let the system run for a few days and then recheck your temps
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March 9, 2011 6:02:05 PM

that would prolly explain why I have higher temps in my case than I should, case has only 2 fans and both are exhaust <top and rear> its an older setup from cyberpower, I have 2 more fans otw now I will try setting up 3 intake 1 exhaust
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a c 286 K Overclocking
March 9, 2011 6:24:40 PM

:lol: 

A long thread for this "problem"

1- ASUS Fan expert, Speed fan and all those "Fan controllers" doesn't work well.
2- With your "1600 rpm" I can know that you are using the "Smart Fan Control" in BIOS, that fan can hit the 2000rpm at full speed (a little loud). The BlaseMaster Fan is a PWM fan, so, can run at different rpms.
3- Cool'n'Quote DOESN'T have nothing to do here, that controls the CPU and not the fan.
4- Your fan's case configuration should be 1 Intake(front side) 2 Exhaust (back and top side)
5- If you don't removed the old TIM in the proper way, you won't see a bid difference.
6- What are your ambien temps?
7- I agree with jsc, who cares the idle temps? When you play your rig is in load.
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March 9, 2011 10:33:04 PM

ok then, I will remove the existing thermal paste (cooler master) and apply arctic silver 5 and then install the cpu cooler in a push/pull config.


as you say I should have exhause at the top and rear. So considering that I have a cooler master 430 case. Here is what I'll do:

1 intake - front
1 intake - side
2 exhausts - top
1 exhaust - rear.

will that be good or should the intakes be greater than the exhausts.
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a c 286 K Overclocking
March 10, 2011 2:08:51 AM

^Correct.

Front and right side as intake fans, rear and top fans as exhaust fans.
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March 10, 2011 3:36:25 AM

there's one last thing, when I install the cooler master hyper 212 plus, I see that apart from the 4 screws, there's one more screw in the center. Should that be tightened (if yes, then how do I tighten it because its so difficult to tighten it during the installation.)

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1038/dsc02982q.th.jp...
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March 10, 2011 5:02:45 AM

saint19 said:
:lol: 

A long thread for this "problem"

1- ASUS Fan expert, Speed fan and all those "Fan controllers" doesn't work well.
2- With your "1600 rpm" I can know that you are using the "Smart Fan Control" in BIOS, that fan can hit the 2000rpm at full speed (a little loud). The BlaseMaster Fan is a PWM fan, so, can run at different rpms.
3- Cool'n'Quote DOESN'T have nothing to do here, that controls the CPU and not the fan.
4- Your fan's case configuration should be 1 Intake(front side) 2 Exhaust (back and top side)
5- If you don't removed the old TIM in the proper way, you won't see a bid difference.
6- What are your ambien temps?
7- I agree with jsc, who cares the idle temps? When you play your rig is in load.


cool and quiet does figure into the idle temps that he is complaining about, when active at idle your cpu runs less volts and hence less heat, not that he should activate it, thats personal preference as i said above if max load temp is only 50c the rest is just preference
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a b K Overclocking
March 10, 2011 5:09:25 AM

Hehe that screw in the centre doesn't screw down (as far as I know). It's just there to keep the mount in the center of the heatsink (to keep the heatsink on the CPU and to stop it from being mounted skew and thus forming a crappy seat). It is spring loaded, so it presses down onto the heatsink the whole time, but it cannot be tightened/loosened. I tried turning the "screw" on my cooler, made no difference :) 

They should actually have that in the manual, but I guess they dont. :/ 

Oh and once again, when you mount the heatsink, remove that fans first, then plug them into the motherboard (it's a bitch to plug them into the motherboard after you mounted the heatsink, speciall if you have large hands like me). Then mount the heatsink with the thermal paste onto the CPU. Slide the top mount over the heatsink, and screw all 4 screws in as far as they can go. The middle "screw"-thingy will fit into the small indentation on the contact patch, you'll see, and makes it a lot easier to get the heatsink into posistion.

:) 
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March 10, 2011 5:19:45 AM

and is the asus fan expert and the fan speed programs a waste. should I be changing the fan speeds directly from the bios or do I do it on an application software.
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a b K Overclocking
March 10, 2011 5:31:43 AM

I use BIOS set to "Performance" with ASUS Q-Fan control. Fan speeds are perfect, noise is very understandable considering I OC a bit and it keeps my CPU cool. I don't like third-party apps all that much, I've seen they don't always stay as accurate as the BIOS speeds or the original manufacturer software (sometimes the motherboard comes with control software, fan controllers and things included).
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March 10, 2011 8:50:54 AM

ok. so you've set your fan speeds to the "performance mode" in the bios. So as you've set it to the performance mode, at what speed does the fan run on your computer. And one more thing, what are your temps at performance mode (both idle and load).
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a b K Overclocking
March 10, 2011 9:01:12 AM

Well, seeing as how I have an additional fan on my cooler, which is plugged into the "chassis fan" plug, it runs at 2000RPM the whole time. This cools well, and as a result my CPU fan speed never exceeds 900RPM. It's a bit noisy, but I haven't had the chance to look for the settings to turn the fan down a bit.

Idle temps with this setup on my Core 2 Quad @ 3.2GHz (OC from 2.66GHz) is 33'C~34'C, but somethimes drops to 28'C~29'C depending on the room temperature. Load temps aren't much higher, with the CPU test in 3DMark06 (100% load) I managed to keep the CPU temps down to 51'C, with the CPU fan spinning up slightly, to around 1000RPM. I never use the CPU at 100% anyhow, so that fan never speeds up.

I can remove the extra fan, leave the stock fan on ASUS Q-Fan in Performance mode and let you know how that turned out, if you wish? I can also try it on Silent and Optimal modes, just to be thorough. I can do this later this afternoon (I'm in South Africa, it's now 13:00 exactly), and post the results here after the test.

Suitable?
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March 10, 2011 9:07:02 AM

yes, please do that for me. I will till then. You've really been helpfull.

I will wait until you post the results with one cpu fan (performance, optimal, silent) and then look for another fan in push/pull for my hyper 212 plus. I will also be getting the extra fans for my case (approximately four 120mm fans). Please do post your results. I will be waiting.

Thanks for the extra help. :D 
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a b K Overclocking
March 10, 2011 10:54:21 AM

No problem. I've been looking to experiment anyways, might as well do something constructive with the process.

I'll remove the extra fan and do:

Silent mode, idle temperature and temperature during CPU test with 3DMark
Optimal mode, idle temperature and temperature during CPU test with 3DMark
Performance mode, idle temperature and temperature during CPU test with 3DMark

I'll keep an eye out for changes in the fan speed, but I don't think I have an RPM meter for the fan, so that might get a bit guessy. Will let you know of the noise anyhow, so you can decide about that.

My case got 2 x 120mm fan at the front, 1 x 120mm fan at the side, 1 x 120mm fan at the rear, 1 x 140mm fan at the top, 2 x 120mm fan on the cooler, 1 x 120mm fan on the PSU and 1 x 80mm fan on the GPU, and noise levels are quite OK. Most noise comes from the 120mm side intake fan, and I'm considering removing it or placing it on a fan controller. 2000RPM sucking air through those little holes = noisiest fan on the PC, by far.

Oh, just for the LOLz, if I turn up all my case fans to maximum, it gets quite noisy, but the one with the most noise is by far the GPU fan. At idle/low loads it's completely silent, but when it heats up badly (big OC under heavy load) the fan can reach 2600RPM without problem. Sounds like a chainsaw then :( 
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March 10, 2011 12:40:36 PM

oh, ok then I will wait for you to post the temps on silent, optimal and performance modes. After you come out with the temps, I will probably add these fans on my cooler master 430 case:

1 120mm front (intake)
1 120mm side (intake)
1 120mm rear (exhaust)
2 120mm top (exhaust)
2 x120 mm's for the cpu cooler

and I will try to somehow adjust another 120mm intake on the bottom ( I will give it a try but not sure because of my non modular PSU cables at the bottom).
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a c 286 K Overclocking
March 10, 2011 12:46:33 PM

How do you installed the 2x120mm fan in your cooler?
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