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slayer32163   05-30-2009 at 11:57:48 PM

i bought a gts 250 and it( i think) is not working right.
i have a 5600+
4gig ddr2 800
xfx gts 250
bfg 450w psu
asus m.....-t motherboard and windows xp

i get wavy screens when playing and i get a haze that moves with me and it is about the most annoying thing in the world.
i know it is not the refresh rate because i have change that many times.

i play on a 19in 1440-900

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 12:11:49 AM
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I get the same problem and I know your answer , its because its overheating. download EVGA percision and when you play games put the fan on 80%. the only game I ever have that problem in now is Crysis.

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rewindlabs   05-31-2009 at 12:15:15 AM
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I'm pretty sure that is no his problem...Slayer if that fixes it let us know....if not its a problem i have as well...

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 12:20:30 AM
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Well cooling down my card more fixed that problem... I've noticed I get it when my card is hotter then it should be. I'm POSITIVE thats the problem , because I have the same GPU and HAD the same problem.

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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 12:22:42 AM
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well i get it on counterstrike with the fan on 60% and the haze. If it is a overheating problem and would constantly happen would returning it and gettting a different card help. I have evga precision and run it at 60% all times with no overclock what so ever.

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rewindlabs   05-31-2009 at 12:26:41 AM
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Well the problem can also be interference from things...such as something screwing with your dvi connection into the back of the card or your vga cable....i am still dealing with this problem on occasion Gin and its exactly as he is describing it....all of my systems are well cooled and this can happen at idle as i boot into windows etc....so you may be positive it can be a contributing factor and can cause it....that doesn't mean its his problem...

 

So far iv only had this happen on my 260 GTX system...which is odd...my 9800gtx+ system performs perfectly....

 

Slayer i suggest you replug your dvi cable and your vga to dvi adapter if your using one...route the cables away from others etc....shut everything off and back on...

 

Edit: Slayer....it doesn't matter if your fan speed is 60% or 100% if you don't know what temps your card is running at or if they are safe or dangerous you should just go ahead and sign off here...you may have a warmer room than joe blow running at 60% so you HAVE to watch your temps....

 

Go play an intensive game and make sure you don't go above 60C....i try to stay below 60C on all of my gaming pcs....if the problem doesn't arise whilst the card is at a safe and cool temperature than its interference...


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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 12:32:10 AM
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^+1 Your right on that but he bought a new monitor which more then likely means he also got a new cable , and if he didnt he should get one.


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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 12:33:26 AM
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i have it set to 60-90% fan speed and get it on menus and gameplay. Counter strike is not graphics intensive and i get it the worst besides crysis

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rewindlabs   05-31-2009 at 12:36:29 AM
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Temps...temps temps...not fan speed...TEMPS!!!!

 

Sarcasm alert...

 

Hey get this...if you put a graphics card in a case with bad airflow and turn the fan speed to 100% it doesn't actually cool it very well.... CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT!!!!!....its almost like your sucking hot air from the case over the hot gpu which GUESS WHAT...doesn't do to well....

 


Gauge YOUR TEMPS!!!!!...and then come back to this thread :sarcastic: go play a game like crysis and watch your temps....pay attention for what the average temperature it sits at is...you could tell us

 

It sits between 50-55c and never goes above 60c....something like that...spend a good 30mins looking for temperatures...

 


And Gin...where does he say he purchased a new monitor?....even if he did he may not be using the new cable...it may be flawed as well...


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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 12:37:33 AM
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i get all new cables with the my monitor and it runs around 55 c idle in a room in about 70-80 degrees with the fan speed set to 65 or 70 but i also have an adapter for dvi to vga that might effect it.

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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 12:38:31 AM
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i have speedfan and it says 55-60 and same with my bios so i have checked the temps and i have good airflow with the haf 932 with 3 case fans so i am fully aware of my temps thank you

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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 12:44:15 AM
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highest temp i saw while playing crysis was 61c tops

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rewindlabs   05-31-2009 at 12:47:45 AM
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Hmmm...it doesn't seem to be a temperature issue than...my 9800gtx+ runs close to that...if not cooler :D

Have you tried different cables and adapters...have you made sure to screw in the cables to assure a good connect on both the card and monitor...

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 12:52:46 AM
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slayer32163 wrote :

highest temp i saw while playing crysis was 61c tops

 

I was right its getting too hot , My video card starts to make an "Elevator" effect when it goes to 60C or above. It's jsut because of Crysis , turn down some settings , especially ones that have ot do with Physics. Then again my card probably was junk when I got it.

 

and sorry rewindlabs I'm jumping around on threads.. I was thinking about another guy who bought a new monitor. >.<

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rewindlabs   05-31-2009 at 12:55:21 AM
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....What? from what i have read 60c isn't a bad temp for the GTS 250 and aslong as it doesn't go any higher...considering this guy has better cooling than me im confused as to how he isn't running any cooler...the 250 supposedly runs cooler....

 

Are you overclocking the card a bit to much you think?

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 12:57:51 AM
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rewindlabs wrote :

....What? from what i have read 60c isn't a bad temp for the GTS 250 and aslong as it doesn't go any higher...considering this guy has better cooling than me im confused as to how he isn't running any cooler...the 250 supposedly runs cooler....

 

Are you overclocking the card a bit to much you think?

 

I'm not overclocking it at all. >.< and when I did over clock it a week ago I got the same temps and same problems anyway. I also dont think the G92 GPU likes anything warmer then 55C while under load. 60C kills me.


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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 01:01:40 AM
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i have no overclock at all and its not only crysis that it does it on. i get it on start menus of many programs. i have tried twice reconnecting the cords and mking sure a good connection and even tried the second dvi slot on my card.

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rewindlabs   05-31-2009 at 01:04:49 AM
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Im guessing the same goes for him...from what i also read the 9800gtx+ overclocks a bit better as well...so it might take heat better than the GTS....i don't let it go over 60c...

This sound so weird though...are there other users having problems with the GTS at certain temps....

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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 01:10:34 AM
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is there a card out there that runs cooler for about the same performance. and for 149.99 because i have had the card for ten days and it has done it every single time.

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 01:10:51 AM
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I've only had the start menu thing once , all I did was download the newest drivers and it was fixed. The start menu thing was on the 1st day too. question: are you running your monitor at its native resolution?

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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 01:18:52 AM
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i have read about the 4870 and wanted to know if a 450w psu could run it it has 18a. I run only a 65w cpu and 1 hard drive and 1 cd drive.

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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 01:19:56 AM
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yes and i am sick of nvidia because i have had problems with there motherboard and 3 video cards but i have the lastest drivers.

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 01:22:42 AM
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Well no wonder your having a problem! only 18amps? Thats WAY too low for todays cards , your gonna want one with around 40 amps.

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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 01:35:36 AM
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how would that cause any problem what so ever. How would that cause screen problems.

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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 01:35:49 AM
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they say i want one with about 26a

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 01:40:57 AM
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slayer32163 wrote :

how would that cause any problem what so ever. How would that cause screen problems.

  

The amps causes a screen problem because your card isnt getting enough power! Why do you have to even ask?! especially in such a rude manner?! I'm just trying to help.


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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 01:44:34 AM
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ALRIGHT. I would like for my computer to work. i wanted to upgrade my processor and my psu and case for under 300 dollars. PLEAS I WANT IT TO WORK AND I AM SORRY FOR THE RUDE MANNER

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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 01:45:38 AM
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I WANT A WORKING COMPUTER PLEASE.

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 01:52:44 AM
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52Amps http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139005

 

your processor is fine if you change that you'll be to the point where your entire set up should be upgraded.

 

Cold and quite. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811103010

 

Buy a 120mm fan for the back as well for uber cooling. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835185059

 

With shipping and all that should be around $230


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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 02:10:04 AM
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are you 100% positive it will change the screen problems if i upgrade my psu. If not i will find you and kill you in your sleep. Not really. lol

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 02:15:59 AM
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It's the only thing I can think of. If that does not fix your screen problems then probably nothing will except a new monitor , and probably a new video card , or even a new motherboard if that still doesnt work. It's hard to diagnose the problem over the internet. if you have an onboard video plug in your monitor to that and see what happens.


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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 02:20:24 AM
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i just bought a new mobo asus m7a38-t

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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 02:21:32 AM
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but my 9500gt works just fine on it so the psu would be my best bet also

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 02:24:46 AM
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I'm looking really hard and I cant seem to find your mother board ANYWHERE , are you sure thats its name? I hope you didnt get jipped.

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 02:33:20 AM
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Very nice MOBO. did a good job picking it out.anyways ,that new PSU should fix your problem. make sure you have all the newest drivers not jsut for your Video card but your MOBO chipset as well.

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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 02:38:15 AM
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roger that. i appreciate you wasting hours of your day to help. Thank you.

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 02:40:11 AM
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lol , todays my day off so no problem.

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stevenyoder23   05-31-2009 at 04:03:07 AM
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you might want to check out the article under graphics-"how much power does your graphics card need"
according to tom's a 9800gtx (same gpu as 250) only uses 11 amps obviously you still have to power the rest of the system. there's info there to help you figure out what your total power consumption should be. my guess is 650 watts is overkill. you might even find that 450 is sufficient. i would check this out before i spent the money on a new psu

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 05:05:09 AM
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He wasnt going to get a MOBO upgrade. please read all the posts 1st instead of jumping around. The reason for the 650 is that its a decent price and high quality and if he ever wanted to add anything extra to his computer he'd always have power , and if he didnt add too much more he would at least have clean power and no drop in power. And your also assuming he has enough amps which he doesnt he only has 18 which is good if he's running ONLY a video card and nothing else.


"Never skimp out on what everything else plugs into"

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rewindlabs   05-31-2009 at 05:11:26 AM
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pay attention komimi...but the power supply says 29 Amps not 18?

 

Or am i missing something? i believe he might have an older version...

 

And its common knowledge not to squander on the psu...

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 05:13:02 AM
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rewindlabs wrote :

Ahhh now i see...but the power supply says 29 Amps not 18?

Or am i missing something? i believe he might have an older version...



He says it in a post a bit up.

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 05:23:01 AM
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stevenyoder23 wrote :

you might want to check out the article under graphics-"how much power does your graphics card need"
according to tom's a 9800gtx (same gpu as 250) only uses 11 amps obviously you still have to power the rest of the system. there's info there to help you figure out what your total power consumption should be. my guess is 650 watts is overkill. you might even find that 450 is sufficient. i would check this out before i spent the money on a new psu



I'm going to give you a +1 for the suggestion of the webpage but as for the fact that a 450 is good enough , no its not sorry. its only good enough if it was only the video card being run with no extra stuff.

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rewindlabs   05-31-2009 at 05:31:30 AM
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No a 450watt can run his system just fine...hell he would be fine with 300 watts if he is only running 1hdd 1dvd around 3 fans and the card...its just above 200watts....

 

And i can read...im just not sure if he is actually right....


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geofelt   05-31-2009 at 05:33:27 AM
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Is your monitor a crt by any chance? A badly shielded cable or nearby interference can cause some strange problems.

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g3force   05-31-2009 at 07:05:34 AM
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I'm surprised that no-one has suggested mounting the card on another system. That would be one of the first things I would do when getting this error.

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JD45093   05-31-2009 at 07:51:01 AM
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I completely agree with g3force if you have another rig that has the specs to support this card try it there first and if not see if one of your friends will try it in there rig. That is the best way to isolate the problem with the graphics card. If the problem is the card itself then it will show up in any rig and if it is something in your system then the card will work fine in any rig that has the specs to handle it.

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Gin Fushicho   05-31-2009 at 08:06:25 AM
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^+1 to both. Now I dont have to sit a bicker with anyone.

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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 09:17:51 AM
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its the gs series not ls series psu

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slayer32163   05-31-2009 at 09:19:22 AM
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i have tried with a 9500gt and i get the same distortion just not as bad. i have tried a different motherbard and ram.

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