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August 15, 2009 6:42:22 PM

Hi all, this is my very first entry.
In fact i sign up this forum just wanted to ask some questions and advice as i'm planning to build a custom computer.
Any advice, help or guidance will be greatly appreciated as i set to build this computer that is hopefully very little lag and very good graphics for gaming and photo editing.

This is what i was recommended after i chose a few component that i insist to have, such as the graphics card and processor.


1.

Processor

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz

S$519.00

2.

Mainboard

Gigabyte EP45-UD3R

S$208.00

3.

Memory

Kingston HyperX DDR2 800 CL 5 KHX6400D2K2/4G (4GB Kit) 2GB x 2

S$109.00

4.

Hard Drive

Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB WD10EADS

S$151.00

5.

Graphics Card

Gigabyte HD4870X2 2GB GV-R487X2-2GH-B

S$799.00

6.

Optical Drive

LG 22x DVDRW GH22NS40 Black (SATA)

S$38.00

7.

PC Case

Coolermaster HAF 922

S$193.00

8.

Power Supply

Acbel M8 750watts

S$219.00

9.

Services and Support

GooGoo 1 year Next Business Day On-Site Standard warranty

S$80.00

Total

S$2316.00

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The graphics card i wanted was Asus 4870X2 2GB instead, but they are out of stock. i was wondering should i go for Asus, for their well known graphics card for gaming although with the same performance, but more expensive by 40 bucks And many said it's just up to my preference.

My questions are, whether this build is gonna give me smooth sailing for gaming, such as battlefield, COD and half life 2.
And will this computer last, given i'm staying in Singapore, average temperature of 30 degree celcius, not air conditioned all the time, and quite a heavy user with multi tasking habits.
Multi tasking habits such as opening several tabs of Internet Explorer, and on going downloads, on going chats, on going photo editing and game at the same time.

And lastly, what monitor should i get to go with this set up.
Is the set up worth while, it's slightly over my budget though, but i can work it out. i was hoping not to exceed 2.2k - 2.3k


THANKS FOR ANY REPLY, I'LL BE MOST GRATEFUL.
IF I'VE POSTED IN THE WRONG CATEGORY, I'M VERY SORRY AND MODERATOR CAN SHIFT IT, I'M NEW HERE. =D
a b à CPUs
August 15, 2009 7:07:18 PM

the vga is a monster. do u really need it? what resolution is your screen?
a c 315 à CPUs
August 15, 2009 7:26:02 PM

With your budget, I would make several alterations. It is not clear which parts you insist on.
In the US, a Q9665 costs more than a i7-920, and is not nearly as good a processor as the i7-920.
A X58 motherboard will cost a bit more, though, so the cost will be similar but you will get a better cpu, particularly for multitasking.

Look for a 24" monitor at 1920 x 1200. There are many good ones out there. Samsung is popular.

Gaming at 1920 x 1200 needs a relatively strong vga card. A 4890 or GTX275 will run most games well at that resolution. I would see how you do with one such card. Most X58 motherboards will do sli & crossfire, so you would have the option to double up the card if you needed to later.

For performance, you want the WD caviar black 1tb, not the green.

Acbel is a PSU I have never heard of. I would suggest using a well known quality brand such as Corsair, Seasonic, PC P&C, Antec for starters.

Do you really need the Goo Goo warranty? Whatever that is? All the parts will have adequatemanufacturer warranties, some even to lifetime. You will probably get better support from these forums.
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a b à CPUs
August 15, 2009 7:33:49 PM

Where are you buying your parts? Some look a little high priced... Ah nvm just saw its from googoo. NVM I guess :) 
a b à CPUs
August 15, 2009 7:38:36 PM

You can never have too much GPU power unless you're running a tiny screen, plus it'll last a few generations of games.

For photo editing you can never have too much RAM, so I'd go for 8GB - DDR2 is cheap enough.

I've never heard of that PSU brand and as a result I wouldn't trust it. Go for something like a Corsair, Antec or a Thermaltake Toughpower. Yes they're more expensive but they are rock-solid reliable.

Even if you're not overclocking, ambient temperatures in Singapore are high so I would also get a good CPU cooler instead of using Intel's stock cooler to help disperse heat - there are lots of good socket 775 coolers out there, but I leave it to other people to advise - google some reviews on 775 coolers.
August 15, 2009 8:10:40 PM

you need to be looking at a i7 system.
http://www.googoo.com.sg/showDetails.asp?id=1669
MSI X58 Pro-E (LGA1366) S$349.00
...
if not get a q9550. They overclock really well and are $150 cheaper. You'll never notice the 1.7ghz difference at stock speed.
August 15, 2009 9:21:42 PM

Thanks everyone for the replies and advices !

I was comtemplating, between these two processor, which i wanted to go for Quad core, as i saw somewhere that it performs better in gaming, for FPS.

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz - [S$519.00]
Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (LGA1366) - [S$480.00]

Pardon me geofelt,

you said WD caviar black performs better, do u mean it runs faster ?
does it makes a good different in speed, because it cause about 30 bucks more.
i mean is it worth while, thanks.

I'm also looking in samsung HD LCD monitor, though i'm not good at monitor, i thought HD will be giving better graphics than the others ?
correct me if i'm wrong, should i be looking at their resolution, contrast, response speed etc also ?

And any advice on cooling the computer ?

pardon me for being so not-knowing-anything
August 15, 2009 9:28:34 PM

Also, i'm not sure if that graphic card is worth while..
Though i read some review saying that card is good and worth buying.
Can anyone with that VGA give me some clues about it.

As for an EX58 mainboard will be too expensive for me.
Unless you're suggesting that i get a cheaper graphic card.

I'm so sorry for being rather indecisive at this stage of researching.
August 15, 2009 9:56:25 PM

with the money you save on the processor you can afford to get the msi x58 MB I mentioned in the post above. it is only $350. The i7 will outperform the q9650 in almost everything. For your video card you should buy just one 4890 or 4870 now and then crossfire later on if you need to. the x2 cards carry a real price premium, so you are always better off buying two single cards and doing your own crossfire.
a c 315 à CPUs
August 15, 2009 10:13:56 PM

Something labeled as a HD monitor is usually a tv monitor. If it is 1080P it is ok, and will give you 1920 x 1080 resolution. If you want a very large display, like >17 inches or so, that is about the best you can do. Do not get a 720P monitor which is 720 x ???.
A PC monitor will be 1920 x 1200, and will be 24" to 27" in size.

A X58 based motherboard is required for a i7 cpu. It will be more expensive than a P45 based motherboard which would run a Qxxx cpu.

For gaming, either cpu would be about as good as it gets. If you can wait a month, the i5 quad cpu's will launch, and will cost less for both the cpu and the motherboard.

The AMD quads are also a good lower priced option.

Any of these options will give you a cpu that will drive any single vga card well.

Yes, the WD caviar black is faster than the green. Either is ok though.

For cooling, get a good case. The Antec 300 is an excellent cooling case that is relatively cheap.

You can also get a oem cpu cooler for <$50, like the Xigmatek dark night
August 15, 2009 10:35:54 PM

^ a 720 monitor has 1366 x 768 resolution, and depending on how you use it, its size, and how close you sit, they can make fine monitors if you are on a budget and don't mind lower resoltions. Although, if you go that route you need to rethink your entire build, because what you are building is way overkill for gaming at that resolution.
a b à CPUs
August 15, 2009 10:59:51 PM

4870x2 is 2 hot. better get 2 nvidia or 2 ati and go for crossfire or sli
a b à CPUs
August 15, 2009 11:59:07 PM

Ditch the WD Caviar Green..... it may be moreecon friendly using less power but it comes at the cost of performance
August 16, 2009 1:09:02 PM

Is there any ways to cool the graphics card ?
because i dont know how to do a crossfire for that.
meanwhile i will go read up on it

If i get x58, i would get a i7 processor, prolly 2.66GHz, and ddr 3 ram.
all in all, becomes more expensive isnt it. is it worth while ?

a b à CPUs
August 16, 2009 1:38:14 PM

well for the perfocmance yes an there are a few graphics card coolers or you can get a specialised cooled grapics card like ati's vapor x or nvidia twin frozer
August 16, 2009 2:03:13 PM

Does a i7 2.66 GHz really runs faster and better than a Quad core 3.0GHz ?
August 16, 2009 2:07:29 PM

2 Radeon HD 4890s will outperform a Radeon HD 4870 X2, at a lower price too. Installing crossfire isn't difficult, all you need is a CF bridge and a crossfire capable motherboard ;)  (but I guess you have looked it up now) The Q9650 IS NOT WORTH IT! Like all the others say, an i7 920 will outperform it @ stock and is more suitable for multitasking, too.

Edit: Yes the i7 is a Quad Core. The Nehalem architecture is better so it will outperform the Q9650.
August 16, 2009 3:20:43 PM

thanks for all ur advices, so if i would to build it like as following, it would be much better ?

Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (LGA1366) - [S$480.00]
Gigabyte EX58-UD4P (LGA1366) - [S$465.00] or Gigabyte EX58-UD5 (LGA1366) - [S$504.00] (advise me on the difference)
Corsair DDR3 TR3X6G1333C9 (6GB Kit) 2GB x 3 - [S$249.00]
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB WD1001FALS - [S$188.00]
Asus HD4890 1GB Dual Fan EAH4890/HTDI/1GD5 - [S$389.00] (Maybe x2 for doing crossfire, still considering if it is needed)
LG 22x DVDRW GH22NS40 Black (SATA) - [S$38.00]
Coolermaster HAF 922 - [S$193.00]
Corsair HX750W 750W - [S$249.00]
Samsung 2433BW 24" LCD Black/DVI/5ms/20000:1 - [S$409.00]


which sums up to 2699, without doing crossfire.

is it more worth doing this build than the one they recommended me ?





August 16, 2009 3:51:26 PM

i just found out a disadvantage of doing crossfire...
may i check, are games such as COD, battefield or half life 2 support crossfire ?

Disadvantages
If an OpenGL game does not have a CrossFire profile, the Catalyst AI system will set the rendering mode to Scissor by default, with no way to change it to a more suitable or faster mode, such as AFR. However, SLI allows the rendering mode to be set for each application manually, even for games which do not have an existing profile. It should be noted that setting Catalyst AI to 'Advanced' allows manual mode setting for Direct 3D games, but not OpenGL games, to AFR.
a c 315 à CPUs
August 16, 2009 7:08:36 PM

mrc0w said:
thanks for all ur advices, so if i would to build it like as following, it would be much better ?

Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (LGA1366) - [S$480.00]
Gigabyte EX58-UD4P (LGA1366) - [S$465.00] or Gigabyte EX58-UD5 (LGA1366) - [S$504.00] (advise me on the difference)
Corsair DDR3 TR3X6G1333C9 (6GB Kit) 2GB x 3 - [S$249.00]
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB WD1001FALS - [S$188.00]
Asus HD4890 1GB Dual Fan EAH4890/HTDI/1GD5 - [S$389.00] (Maybe x2 for doing crossfire, still considering if it is needed)
LG 22x DVDRW GH22NS40 Black (SATA) - [S$38.00]
Coolermaster HAF 922 - [S$193.00]
Corsair HX750W 750W - [S$249.00]
Samsung 2433BW 24" LCD Black/DVI/5ms/20000:1 - [S$409.00]


which sums up to 2699, without doing crossfire.

is it more worth doing this build than the one they recommended me ?

A most excellent list of parts.

The i7 is faster, clock for clock than the Q xxx processors, so it is faster, even though the stock clock speed is a bit slower.
Also, the i7 has hyperthreading which makes use of extra capacity in a core to give the appearance of 8 cores. The i7-920 is also very easy to overclock. You just change the BCLK from the default of 133 to 160. For the price of a oem cpu cooler, like the Xigmatek dark night, you can overclcok the i7-920 to 3.2 which is the speed of the $1000 i7-975.
A single 4890 should perform very well on a 24" monitor.
I might suggest the XFX 4890 or the HIS 4890 because they have a more effective two slot cooler as standard. Such a cooler ejects all of the hot air from the vga card directly out the back of the case. That keeps the cpu and other internal parts cooler also:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
---good luck---
August 16, 2009 7:25:58 PM

Thanks you so much geofelt, you have really been a good help in guiding me.

Now i was considering if i should get this,
Intel Core i7 950 3.06GHz (LGA1366) - [S$939.00],
instead of getting 2 4890 and do a crossfire.

Which sums up to be even slightly cheaper.
is that wise, i mean will i suffer a lot from the fps lost in gaming ?
August 16, 2009 7:58:31 PM

And does AMD runs better along with ati radeon graphics card ?

and i was thinking of getting this for the processor, is it worth it to protect my processor?
Coolermaster V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP - [S$85.00]

And Asus isnt listed in the certified manufacturer of ati radeon, but many it seems to be more popular.
Should i stick to it or get

Gigabyte HD4890 1GB GV-R489-1GH-B - [S$349.00] or
HIS HD4890 1GB H489F1GP - [S$359.00]

which are even cheaper than asus.

anyone can help me by telling me, why asus is not listed as certified yet more expensive ?

And anyone can guide me on how to over clocking processor and graphics card.
To what length should i over clocking, if i just wanna push it just by a lil bit?

please please pardon me for being so unknowing to anything...
August 16, 2009 8:54:34 PM

Anyone can guide me on the difference between these two mainboard ?

Gigabyte EX58-UD5 (LGA1366) - [S$504.00]
Gigabyte EX58-UD4P (LGA1366) - [S$465.00]

should i save that 40 bucks ?
August 16, 2009 9:01:18 PM

mrc0w said:
And does AMD runs better along with ati radeon graphics card ?

and i was thinking of getting this for the processor, is it worth it to protect my processor?
Coolermaster V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP - [S$85.00]

And Asus isnt listed in the certified manufacturer of ati radeon, but many it seems to be more popular.
Should i stick to it or get

Gigabyte HD4890 1GB GV-R489-1GH-B - [S$349.00] or
HIS HD4890 1GB H489F1GP - [S$359.00]

which are even cheaper than asus.

anyone can help me by telling me, why asus is not listed as certified yet more expensive ?

And anyone can guide me on how to over clocking processor and graphics card.
To what length should i over clocking, if i just wanna push it just by a lil bit?

please please pardon me for being so unknowing to anything...



There should be no difference between intel + ati and amd + ati.

The v8 is a good cooler, but its not as cost effective as getting a xigmatech dark knight, core contact freezer, or cogage true spirit, which are all great coolers.

Asus is a fine company, but if you can get the other cards for cheaper, I would say that you should do it, since there is basically no difference in the cards. Just make sure you check that the company offers a good warranty.

August 16, 2009 9:19:39 PM

thanks !

i'm thinking of having googoo to build for me. (www.googoo.com.sg)

but they only provide these cooler:

Coolermaster Hyper 212 RR-CCH-LB12-GP - [S$54.00]
Coolermaster Hyper L3 RR-LCH-P9E1 - [S$46.00]
Coolermaster Hyper N520 RR-920-N520-GP - [S$69.00]
Coolermaster Hyper N620 RR-B20-N620-GP - [S$79.00]
Coolermaster V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP - [S$85.00]
Gigabyte 3D Rocket II GH-PCU23-VE - [S$89.00]
Gigabyte G-Power GH-PDU21-SC - [S$68.00]
Gigabyte Volar GH-PSU21-FB - [S$75.00]
Thermalright TRue Black 120 - [S$119.00] *recommended*
Thermalright TRue Black 120 (LGA1366) - [S$135.00]
Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme - [S$99.00]
Thermaltake Big Typhoon 120VX CL-P0310-01 - [S$89.00]
Thermaltake Blue Orb FX CL-P0333 - [S$69.00]
Thermaltake DuoOrb CL-G0102 - [S$69.00]
Thermaltake Max Orb CL-P0369 - [S$77.00]
Thermaltake MeOrb CLP0527 - [S$75.00]
Thermaltake Mini Typhoon 90 CL-P0268-01 - [S$69.00]
Thermaltake MiniTyp 90 Value Pack CL-P0343-01 - [S$79.00]
Thermaltake Ruby Orb CL-P0391 - [S$59.00]
Thermaltake Silent 775 CL-P0092 - [S$51.00]
Thermaltake Silent 939 CL-P0200 - [S$55.00]
Thermaltake Silent Boost K8 A1838 - [S$55.00]
Thermaltake Sonic Tower Rev.2 CL-P0323 - [S$69.00]
Thermaltake TMG i1 CL-P0370 - [S$58.00]
Thermaltake TMG i2 CL-P0372 - [S$58.00]
Thermaltake TR2 M13 SE A4013 - [S$35.00]
Thermaltake V1 CL-P0401 - [S$91.00]
Thermaltake X5 Orb FX II Black CL-P0495 - [S$72.00]
Zalman CNPS3100-PLUS - [S$45.00]
Zalman CNPS6000-Cu - [S$65.00]
Zalman CNPS6500B-Cu - [S$79.00]
Zalman CNPS7000B-AlCu - [S$89.00]
Zalman CNPS7000B-AlCu LED - [S$95.00]
Zalman CNPS7000B-Cu - [S$99.00]
Zalman CNPS7000B-Cu LED - [S$109.00]
Zalman CNPS7700 AlCu - [S$115.00]
Zalman CNPS7700-Cu - [S$125.00]
Zalman CNPS8000 - [S$105.00]
Zalman CNPS9500 AM2 - [S$138.00]
Zalman CNPS9500 AT - [S$115.00]
Zalman CNPS9500 LED - [S$138.00]
Zalman CNPS9700 LED - [S$150.00]
Zalman CNPS9700 NT - [S$150.00]
Zalman Fatal1ty FS-C77 - [S$149.00]
ZEROtherm ZT-BTF90 - [S$88.00]
ZEROtherm ZT-BTF95 - [S$83.00]


sadly, couldnt find any of those u've mentioned.
a b à CPUs
August 16, 2009 9:22:16 PM

Why not build it yourself?
August 16, 2009 9:30:47 PM

cjl said:
Why not build it yourself?



+1 to this, building it yourself would be so much more satisfying and you can probably save a bit, looking at those prices.
August 17, 2009 6:29:46 AM

With my little knowledge, although i have built one myself 5 yrs ago, i'm afraid i might not be able to do it again.
And if things dont work when i've finish building, i dont know what to do.

Are you guys singaporean, as jonsy2k said the prices are ex..
I'll be heading down to SLS to check the prices there before i make any decision any way.

thanks for reply
August 17, 2009 12:02:39 PM

Hi all,

i just found out some motherboard can support 2 processors.
my i ask if Gigabyte EX58-UD4P can do that ?
it wasnt mention in the features, so i suppose no ?
August 17, 2009 12:44:24 PM

Pardon me, i think it's wrong info given by friends
!