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June 2, 2009 10:28:28 PM

Title says it all
HD 4770's will give a great advantage (gaming @ 1680x1050)
how ever if i pick up a GTX 275 and pick up another in the future.. sounds like a good future proofing plan

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June 2, 2009 10:43:11 PM

What does the rest of your system look like, including your PSU model?
June 2, 2009 11:28:02 PM

haven't bought yet
will be buying in the next month
i've got a planned list:

AMD Phenom II X3 Tri Core 720BE

GTX 275/HD 4770 x2

Asus M4A78-E AMD 790GX (or any AM3 DDR2, ATX, Dual Channel, CrossfireX Compatible motherboard)

Any CD/DVD Rewriter

20 inch or 22 inch 1680x1050 resolution

DDR2 memory (4GB dual channel, 1066Mhz)


1TB Hard Drive - 32mb Cache

Any good/reliable/80+ 550/600W certified power supply make

Coolermaster HAF 922

Windows Vista Ultimate 64 Bit
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June 2, 2009 11:50:57 PM

That motherboard does not support SLI, so you can't have dual gtx 275s. I don't think there are any AM3 socket motherboards that support SLI.
a b U Graphics card
June 2, 2009 11:55:58 PM

No such thing as futureproofing.

IMO, better off saving money, getting the best single card you can now, and then going with the next generation offerings once the DX11 generation hit after selling off that best single card.
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 12:10:01 AM

I reckon you will get 1-1.5 years maximum out of any cards on the market right now, before DX11 really starts to take off.

For that reason I'd go with the 4770's - they are cheaper and faster than a 275/4890 and you won't want to xfire or sli any current card once DX11 takes off.
a c 376 U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 1:31:40 AM

I'd definitely go for a quad over a tri core cpu. I'd also definitely go with an Intel based system but that's up to you. Their quad cores are better for the money at stock and OC like crazy in general.
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 2:48:35 AM

jyjjy said:
I'd definitely go for a quad over a tri core cpu. I'd also definitely go with an Intel based system but that's up to you. Their quad cores are better for the money at stock and OC like crazy in general.


What intel quads are better for the money at stock?
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 2:52:02 AM

jennyh said:
I reckon you will get 1-1.5 years maximum out of any cards on the market right now, before DX11 really starts to take off...


It's not about DX11 taking off, it's about the new cards and designs giving a jump in performance.

It's not that the GF8800GTS-640 was a DX10 card, it's that it offered a good performance jump, same with the GTX265 & HD4870.

It's when the new generation comes out, likely the cut down G300 something or RV8xx variant will be attractive for the titles coming out around the New Year.

Right now we're nearing the end of the cycle for both the hardware and software and we await the next generation of VPU killing games and game killing GPUs.
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 3:16:53 AM

The big worry for me about future crossfire/sli on cards like the 275 or 4890 would be that dx11 really is a major upgrade over dx10.

Even if you can pick up a cheapish 275 or 4890 to crossfire in a years time, you still won't have dx11.
June 3, 2009 3:17:19 AM

jennyh said:
What intel quads are better for the money at stock?

Urhm...None?
Maybe the E8600 if that's even comparable to the Phenom II 955.

I can't reccomend intel for price/preformance either unless you go i7 or hardcore OC'ing.

@OP:
I'm actually making the same rig as you. Same mobo, but a Phenom II 940 and a Corsair 750W when I get the $$ for it.
I'm starting off with one 4770, then CF'ing them when I need to. I'm running @ 1440x900.

4GB of 800MHz DDR2, dual-channel.
June 3, 2009 3:28:36 AM

GTX 275 is by far the best option.
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 3:40:57 AM

Tech-Boy said:
GTX 275 is by far the best option.


By far? really?
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 5:57:40 AM

I agree with the apeman, get a good quality single card (4870-1GB/4890/275) and sell it and move up as other cards are released.
June 3, 2009 6:18:05 AM

well i don't care much for DX 11
most games probably won't support it for a year or two after it's out
altho with ATi cards you get DX 10.1
so might go with two HD 4770's
a b U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
June 3, 2009 6:25:00 AM

While the 4770 xfire leads in performance it begins to drop quickly in fps as the resolution goes up. the GTX 275 performance decreases and a much lower rate. I would take this to suggest that the GTX 275 would hold up better in the future. Just my 2 cents. But bang for buck 2 4770 for 200 bucks is a better deal.
June 3, 2009 6:26:04 AM

PsyKhiqZero said:
While the 4770 xfire leads in performance it begins to drop quickly in fps as the resolution goes up. the GTX 275 performance decreases and a much lower rate. I would take this to suggest that the GTX 275 would hold up better in the future. Just my 2 cents. But bang for buck 2 4770 for 200 bucks is a better deal.


i'm getting a 1680x1050 monitor
June 3, 2009 2:24:05 PM

ever consider 1 4890? I would much rather have 1 4890 than 2 4770s if I'm looking at reliable performance, but if your looking at the money then the 4770 is not beat.

I bought 1 4770 and it runs amazingly. Very cool, very responsive and simple/cheap setup.

But not a performance king, if I wanted performance king either the 4890 or the better but more expensive 285 GTX.

Don't get the 275 GTX, in my opinion its a broken 285 GTX and wanna be card. 896 meg Vram...like always Nvidia ftw.....

Atleast with the 285 and 4890 you don't hit the Vram wall especially with the current textured new gen games.
June 3, 2009 7:52:46 PM




I Read ;) 

I know people are going to really disagree with me. But The GTX 275 is by far the best option.

Let me lay it out for you:

Advantages of two 4770's:

-Higher Frames in most Games (although doesn't really make a difference at 1680x1050)
-New smaller die
-Higher Overclocks
-Bragging Rights (two gpu's)

Disavatages of two 4770's:

-Not so great at folding
-Need for expensive motherboard to run properly.
-Not all games support crossfire.
-More Complications with drivers, ect.
-Lesser resale value
-Very limited upgrade support.
-More heat in case and more power hungry.
-No clear advantage over GTX 275 at 1650x1050


Advantages of One GTX 275:

-Excellent Folder
-Very few Driver Complications.
-Great Resale value
-Don't need motherboard that supports dual cards.
-Well perform much better in games that don't support multi gpu's
-You well not notice frame difference between Two 4770's and one gtx 275 at 1680x1050
-Looks Real Nice in the Case :D 
-Great for video encoding

Disavatages of One GTx 275

-Only dx10 not dx10.1
-Not new 40mm die size
-Not two gpu's
-Does not overclock quite as high as a 4770
-Big card

So in my opinion a single card solution as a gtx 275 is by far, and yes by far the best option for El_Mayo.

Case Closed :lol: 
June 3, 2009 8:00:12 PM

Tech-Boy
i thank you =]
June 3, 2009 8:03:01 PM

El_Mayo said:
Tech-Boy
i thank you =]


Anytime!

Now just wait and see the responses to post I wrote :pfff: 
June 3, 2009 9:15:54 PM

you missed out the advantages of the 4890, can match the 285 GTX when overclocked.
Flexible crossfire
I wouldn't build my system around folding, I would build it over what you said, long lasting.

And out of all those choices, the 4890 has the longest life by far. 1 gig Vram, dx 10.1 which means free AA up to 4xs.

like I said before, the 275 is a 285 that got dropped on its head prematurely.
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 9:19:29 PM

Quote:
I know people are going to really disagree with me. But The GTX 275 is by far the best option.


Let me lay it out for you:

-Not so great a folding


- If I was serious about curing cancer I'd be a chemist.

Quote:
-Need for expensive motherboard to run properly.


Asrock ALiveXFire, xfire for buttons.

Quote:

-Not all games support crossfire.


Just about all modern games do.

Quote:
-More Complications with drivers, ect.


Here is a short lesson on enabling crossfire.

1) Double click Catalyst Control Center
2) Click Crossfire/Configure tabs
3) Click 'enable CrossfireX'

Note, this is incase you are using some ancient operating system that doesn't do it by default.

Quote:
-Lesser resale value


Costs less, this point is moot.

Quote:
-Very limited upgrade support.


It's less limited than buying a non-crossfire/sli board and only being able to use 1 card, which is what you are advocating the OP does.

Quote:
-More heat in case and more power hungry.


I have 2 in my case idling at 47C and 42C on a hot night, normally both are below 40C. Neither goes abover 64C on full load, overclocked. They consume more power at idle but less at load than a gtx275.

Quote:
-No clear advantage over GTX 275 at 1650x1050


http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=18281&page=9

That's a pretty large advantage at 1900x1200 at least. The BFG OC 275gtx totalled 375fps compared to the stock 4770's 445fps. That's a clear advantage of around 20%. With overclocking they just pull further and further ahead.

You can buy a crossfire mobo and 2 4770's for about the same price of a slower gtx275. The only reason you'd buy a gtx275 is if you like paying more money for less. It simply cannot compete with the crossfire 4770's at any resolution.
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 9:25:37 PM

L1qu1d said:
you missed out the advantages of the 4890, can match the 285 GTX when overclocked.
Flexible crossfire
I wouldn't build my system around folding, I would build it over what you said, long lasting.

And out of all those choices, the 4890 has the longest life by far. 1 gig Vram, dx 10.1 which means free AA up to 4xs.

like I said before, the 275 is a 285 that got dropped on its head prematurely.


I disagree on the 275 being a bad card. It's not, if anything it has proven that the 285 was probably a bit too fat for it's own good. Looking at the benchmarks between both, did it really need a 512 bit bus?

The 275 is just an evolution of the 285, but it still costs too much. There is something seriously wrong when you can buy a cheap xfire motherboard and 2x4770's for around the same price as a 275.
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 9:25:50 PM

Tech_boy, your "advantages of the 275" could easily be "advantages of (insert single card 4890/275/285)".

It is pretty simple... If you go crossfire/sli you will have to deal with the odd game thet gives you scaling issues while the drivers get a bit of a makeover, and older games that won't utilize crossfire/sli (For example all dx9 apps wont use the second GPU in windowed mode,a big deal for games like world of warcraft). This of course for a level of price/performance unmatched if everything works.

Fast single card = guaranteed performance in all (well, most) applications for a bit(read sometimes a lot) more cost/performacne

Dual Card configuration = Higher performance when it works (which is far more often than people think.. I ahve not had a single issue with my crossfire 4890's) for much less cash but having to deal with driver related performance hits for the newest games.

a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 9:37:03 PM

With the prices of single cards vs lesser crossfire I can't advocate getting a 4890/275/285 unless you either refuse to crossfire/sli (rock solid stability is really importnat to people.. while I never have issues I can understand the hesitation to go crossfire/sli as sometimes it does run into issues, specifically if you still play older games (though it is easy enough to turn it off for those games...) or only have one PCIx slot.

If you are thinking about 4890's or 275's (obviously id recomend 4890's over a 275 given my rig ;)  ) It shuold be to crossfire them and go all "Look at my computer." The price of 2 4770's is just too damn awesome, unless you want to play at 24"
and higher resolution and price is no object.
June 3, 2009 10:02:22 PM

I Agree with everyone that said the 4890 is also a great option! However I would personally still get the gtx 275 over it as it is very comparable yet it has some minor advantages such as cuda and better folding. But either one of those options is better than two 4770's.

To those defending the 4770's and flaming me, don't say I tolled you so! LOL
June 3, 2009 10:05:07 PM

daedalus685 said:
With the prices of single cards vs lesser crossfire I can't advocate getting a 4890/275/285 unless you either refuse to crossfire/sli (rock solid stability is really importnat to people.. while I never have issues I can understand the hesitation to go crossfire/sli as sometimes it does run into issues, specifically if you still play older games (though it is easy enough to turn it off for those games...) or only have one PCIx slot.

If you are thinking about 4890's or 275's (obviously id recomend 4890's over a 275 given my rig ;)  ) It shuold be to crossfire them and go all "Look at my computer." The price of 2 4770's is just too damn awesome, unless you want to play at 24"
and higher resolution and price is no object.


Agree with most of what you said. Sometimes things get so close to each other in performance that it comes down to what you will be doing and personal preference.

Still I like the way you worded your comment! ;) 
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 10:06:21 PM

The last HD4770 i saw for sale was going for $120.....without free shipping. Are there any 4770s available right now ? What price?
Link please. Available at Amazon ....3 left $130 + shipping.
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 10:11:26 PM

Tech-boy, nobody is 'flaming' you lol. It's just ridiculous that you or anyone would claim that the gtx275 is 'by far the best option' when really, crossfire 4770's walk all over even the top oc'd 275's and still have room to spare.
June 3, 2009 10:22:22 PM

jennyh said:
Tech-boy, nobody is 'flaming' you lol. It's just ridiculous that you or anyone would claim that the gtx275 is 'by far the best option' when really, crossfire 4770's walk all over even the top oc'd 275's and still have room to spare.


no dude.. i have to agree with what he says
the "walking over" isn't really a NOTICABLE difference tbh
60 frames or 90 frames..
it's the same to the human eye :pt1cable: 
plus.. two GTX 275 = GTX 295-ish performance
which i will get in the future
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 10:26:47 PM

dirtmountain said:
The last HD4770 i saw for sale was going for $120.....without free shipping. Are there any 4770s available right now ? What price?
Link please. Available at Amazon ....3 left $130 + shipping.


You've pretty much hit on the only drawback of the 4770's. Availability - which incidentally was exactly the same drawback the gtx275's had for weeks after release too.
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 10:34:13 PM

El_Mayo said:
no dude.. i have to agree with what he says
the "walking over" isn't really a NOTICABLE difference tbh
60 frames or 90 frames..
it's the same to the human eye :pt1cable: 
plus.. two GTX 275 = GTX 295-ish performance
which i will get in the future


Explain why you'd pay more money for worse performance again? Cuz that's exactly what you're doing no matter how you try to convince yourself otherwise.

Also, note that an average of 90fps in a lot different to an average of 60fps. Unless it's a constant 60fps, that means it must drop below 60fps in parts. You'll understand that more when your 275 is chugging along at 20fps on intense parts while xfire 4770's are running at 30+fps.

But hey, it's your money and for sure you can spend it however you want.
June 3, 2009 10:42:36 PM

jennyh said:
Explain why you'd pay more money for worse performance again? Cuz that's exactly what you're doing no matter how you try to convince yourself otherwise.

Also, note that an average of 90fps in a lot different to an average of 60fps. Unless it's a constant 60fps, that means it must drop below 60fps in parts. You'll understand that more when your 275 is chugging along at 20fps on intense parts while xfire 4770's are running at 30+fps.

But hey, it's your money and for sure you can spend it however you want.


Ok look everyone has there own opinion lets just leave it at that. El_Mayo really cannot go wrong either way. But I will say that most of the time, I did not say always, a single gpu will feel smoother than two gpus even though two gpu's may average more frames. Also dual gpu's almost always have lower minimum frames than a single gpu. My recommendation is to get the best single gpu he can aford now, and not two budget gpu's. Others may and will disagree but that is my advice and lets just leave it up to El_Mayo's decision. ;) 
June 3, 2009 11:21:26 PM

Tech-Boy said:
Ok look everyone has there own opinion lets just leave it at that. El_Mayo really cannot go wrong either way. But I will say that most of the time, I did not say always, a single gpu will feel smoother than two gpus even though two gpu's may average more frames. Also dual gpu's almost always have lower minimum frames than a single gpu. My recommendation is to get the best single gpu he can aford now, and not two budget gpu's. Others may and will disagree but that is my advice and lets just leave it up to El_Mayo's decision. ;) 


true say
GTX 275 for now
if i buy the HD 4770s.. both mobo PCI slots are taken :/ 
no change of further upgrading
in a years time the GTX 275 will probably be about 100 pounds
leaving me open to snatch another one and overclock both
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 11:29:08 PM

El-Mayo...

Buy what you want. I'm not trying to convince you either way. All I'm doing is refuting people who make blanket statements with nothing to back them up while offering my take on what is likely to happen in future.

1 year ago today, the fastest single gpu was the 9800gtx and it cost a small fortune. 3 weeks from today (last year), the 4850 beat it and cost 50% less. Right now you can buy a 9800gtx for about 1/3rd of the price it was 1 year ago.

That probably doesn't mean a lot to you but it will be a good reminder to others about just how overpriced the top end cards are, especially when we are so close to a new architecture.
June 3, 2009 11:41:19 PM

jennyh said:
El-Mayo...

Buy what you want. I'm not trying to convince you either way. All I'm doing is refuting people who make blanket statements with nothing to back them up while offering my take on what is likely to happen in future.

1 year ago today, the fastest single gpu was the 9800gtx and it cost a small fortune. 3 weeks from today (last year), the 4850 beat it and cost 50% less. Right now you can buy a 9800gtx for about 1/3rd of the price it was 1 year ago.

That probably doesn't mean a lot to you but it will be a good reminder to others about just how overpriced the top end cards are, especially when we are so close to a new architecture.


Yes what you say is true. However There are two big differences, thanks to ATI the almost top end cards (gtx 275 is not the top end card the gtx 285 is for $340+) are priced fairly, as they were not a while back. The GTX XXX Series cards run on a whole new architecture and I believe (could be wrong) that they will hold there value for a lot longer than the 9800gtx did. And I think that a gtx 275 for $240 and free game is a awesome deal, hey even without a free game I would call it a awesome deal. ;) 
a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2009 11:58:00 PM

Tech-Boy said:
Yes what you say is true. However There are two big differences, thanks to ATI the almost top end cards (gtx 275 is not the top end card the gtx 285 is for $340+) are priced fairly, as they were not a while back. The GTX XXX Series cards run on a whole new architecture and I believe (could be wrong) that they will hold there value for a lot longer than the 9800gtx did. And I think that a gtx 275 for $240 and free game is a awesome deal, hey even without a free game I would call it a awesome deal. ;) 


Well I consider the 275 and 4890 to be the real top end, it's only people who simply don't know what they are buying who would buy a 285 now (no offence to anyone who did recently). So to me, those 2 cards are the top end single gpu's.

And yes, they are a lot cheaper than they were, but again that is thanks to ATI. If the r700 sucked you can be sure Nvidia would be charging $500+ for a gtx275, and we'd probably never have seen a gtx295 either.

I said above also that I believe the gtx275 is a good card in response to liquid's post. It is a good card, same as the 4890 is. However, what made my pov the easy one was the OP had already stated he was going to buy a crossfire mobo.

I don't really think mobo prices mean a lot tbh. I actually have 4 mobo's right now, 2 790gx's (8x,8x crossfire), 1 770x (16x,4x crossfire) and 1 IP35. The difference between them all isn't that much. If you want crossfire on the cheap I can sell you my 770x and you'd be happy with it, or even better you can buy that Asrock 770x crossfire for what, $50-$60? Crossfire can be got cheap if you don't want the 790 chipset.

Again, I'm not saying the 275gtx is a bad card. It has it's benefits, even over the 4890. I just don't think it makes sense to buy one for 'future-proofing' when dx11 could easily obsolete every card currently available. That's why I chose 2x4770's. They will always be faster and cheaper than the 275 or 4890, and if dx11 obsoletes them, I've paid less while enjoying better fps *right now*. And I'll still have a crossfire mobo if I decide to buy two 5770's in 12 months time too.
a c 358 U Graphics card
a b 4 Gaming
June 4, 2009 12:01:53 AM

At the moment there is a shortage of HD 4770s due to the fact TSMC was having 40nm production issues. It was reported that yields were only 20% and that was a high estimate.

TSMC has recently resolved the issue, but the new shipments may not occur for several weeks, and the shortage may last until September.
June 4, 2009 12:05:10 AM

jennyh said:
Well I consider the 275 and 4890 to be the real top end, it's only people who simply don't know what they are buying who would buy a 285 now (no offence to anyone who did recently). So to me, those 2 cards are the top end single gpu's.

And yes, they are a lot cheaper than they were, but again that is thanks to ATI. If the r700 sucked you can be sure Nvidia would be charging $500+ for a gtx275, and we'd probably never have seen a gtx295 either.

I said above also that I believe the gtx275 is a good card in response to liquid's post. It is a good card, same as the 4890 is. However, what made my pov the easy one was the OP had already stated he was going to buy a crossfire mobo.

I don't really think mobo prices mean a lot tbh. I actually have 4 mobo's right now, 2 790gx's (8x,8x crossfire), 1 770x (16x,4x crossfire) and 1 IP35. The difference between them all isn't that much. If you want crossfire on the cheap I can sell you my 770x and you'd be happy with it, or even better you can buy that Asrock 770x crossfire for what, $50-$60? Crossfire can be got cheap if you don't want the 790 chipset.

Again, I'm not saying the 275gtx is a bad card. It has it's benefits, even over the 4890. I just don't think it makes sense to buy one for 'future-proofing' when dx11 could easily obsolete every card currently available. That's why I chose 2x4770's. They will always be faster and cheaper than the 275 or 4890, and if dx11 obsoletes them, I've paid less while enjoying better fps *right now*. And I'll still have a crossfire mobo if I decide to buy two 5770's in 12 months time too.


You all know that I think the gtx 275 is the best choice. But to mixed things up how about one 4770 now and see how El_Mayou likes it then if he thinks necesary he can get another, but if not just use the 47700 for a while until dx11 comes out and sell that and get a dx11 card. Just and idea, but if it was me I would just get a gtx 275.
a b U Graphics card
June 4, 2009 12:05:59 AM

Yep, it is a shame tbh.

The 4770 is great, but I wouldn't pay more for it than a 4850. The same perhaps, but only because of noise/heat issues. With the available 4770's costing up to $20 more than 4850's, that just isn't worth it imo.
a b U Graphics card
June 4, 2009 12:16:17 AM

Tech-Boy said:
You all know that I think the gtx 275 is the best choice. But to mixed things up how about one 4770 now and see how El_Mayou likes it then if he thinks necesary he can get another, but if not just use the 47700 for a while until dx11 comes out and sell that and get a dx11 card. Just and idea, but if it was me I would just get a gtx 275.


There are a lot of people who did just that. Bought one with the idea of getting another in future. I already had a 4870 and tbh buying my 4770's was really just an experiment for me with my first time xfire, although I have 2 pc's so I justified it by telling myself my old one needed upgrading :D 

Tech-boy, I don't have an issue with your preferring the 275, it's just the reasons for why you prefer it. If you said PhysX, Cuda, higher resolutions etc I would have found it difficult to disagree with you, however you sorta tried to take on the 4770's on their own patch. They look like they could be an easy target due to the 128 bit bus, but it just doesn't work out that way because they have such huge brute force with the 1280 shaders and high clock speed which overclocks like a dream.

Notice in those benchmarks I linked that the 4770's still beat the 275 and 4890 at 2560x1600 except in a few games, and those were blamed on driver failures. Whatever weakness the 4770 xfire might seem to have on paper just don't pan out in real terms. Also, I don't really believe anyone with 30" monitors will be using crossfire 4770's anyway, but they are still capable even at that resolution.

They are just great cards, and they will only get better. I'm biased ofc. ;) 
a b U Graphics card
June 4, 2009 5:35:41 AM

El_Mayo said:
no dude.. i have to agree with what he says
the "walking over" isn't really a NOTICABLE difference tbh
60 frames or 90 frames..
it's the same to the human eye :pt1cable: 
...



At this point in time I lose interest in helping you, as you start to spread your ignorance. [:thegreatgrapeape:5] :pfff: 
June 4, 2009 1:47:03 PM

hahah^

Don't forget, 60 vs 90 now

30 vs 60 in the future maybe?

You talking about 2 situations with 50% difference (I know they are just examples but so is this:) ).

I was getting 100+ frames in COD 4 with my 9800 GX2 last summer, then when I played Crysis, 30 fps.

anywho, I would trust 1 strong card over 2 weak 1s just because even though sli/crossX is being supported more and more, they are driver dependent, and I want to have 1 strong card that I can trust to work with a game out of box.

June 4, 2009 5:18:08 PM

L1qu1d said:
hahah^

Don't forget, 60 vs 90 now

30 vs 60 in the future maybe?

You talking about 2 situations with 50% difference (I know they are just examples but so is this:) ).

I was getting 100+ frames in COD 4 with my 9800 GX2 last summer, then when I played Crysis, 30 fps.

anywho, I would trust 1 strong card over 2 weak 1s just because even though sli/crossX is being supported more and more, they are driver dependent, and I want to have 1 strong card that I can trust to work with a game out of box.


Completely agree, I will take one strong card any day over two weaker cards that get maybe negative -50% to positive 30% more frames than the single stronger card.
a b U Graphics card
June 4, 2009 6:21:33 PM

You're going to back that claim up by linking to benchmarks showing this, right?

How about I tell the real story, which is two 4770's pretty much beat the gtx275 in all games that aren't extremely favourable to nvidia already. Let's say I dunno, 9/10 games.

9/10 games the 4770's beat any single card, and the loss is to the usual suspect Company of Heroes.

So you can keep your CoH benchmark and I'll pay less for the rest, up to 40% in CoD4 and Grid for example.

The games where crossfire/sli get less than 50% frames than any single card DO NOT EXIST. Note, if you really want the best performance in CoH then you'd be better off with sli gts250's instead of buying a gtx275. The days when xfire/sli was unreliable are long since gone.
June 4, 2009 6:43:08 PM

*** in' flame each other.
!