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I assume you can't because no laboratory has ever made one...but why?

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its possible, as a physics major i stand behind it. There could be a lot of potential problems with it, and cost is another factor. Another question is why do we still use copper to cool cpu's there are other "better" alternatives.

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Reply to freezed1

well it may not be far off

Reply to obsidian86
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It could be done however to run a computer 24/7 one needs a cryogenic cooling machine like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampson-Linde_cycle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryogenics#Production

However it takes an enormous amount of power to run one of these machines.
A small version to cool a CPU would still use a lot of power.

Reply to jj463rd

people do overclock using liquid nitrogen and /or liquid helium

Reply to Outlander_04

cpu produce a lot of heat. cant "super-conduct" heat-generating object.

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people do use ln2, but they dont use it 24/7 ud have to have something constantly refilling the evaporator, phase change would be better

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Reply to xaira

The industry has by orders-of-magnitude the most experience with semiconductor transistors that need a certain minimum temperature to function. Basically if a semiconductor material is too cold, not enough electrons get excited into the conduction band (sorta like my wife! :)). So it behaves more like an insulator and fails to function at such low temperatures. This is why satellite & space probe electronics need a heater to keep them warm enough to function, if their self-generated heat is insufficient.

The LN2 or even LHe oc's don't cool the CPU down to the point where the transistors stop functioning - they basically just pump away the enormous heat the chip generates. Any CPU that starts out at superconductor temperatures is not likely to function.

There are superconduction switches (Josephson junction devices for one) but the industry has little experience trying to fab a billion of these into a modern CPU - it would take a lot of $$ and time to do this, and currently not worth the effort.

This is similar to why we don't use ternary (three active level) logic instead of binary ON/OFF logic, even though somebody once proved mathematically the most efficient logic possible would use base "e" (2.718) logic states, and 3 is closer to this than 2.

Reply to fazers_on_stun

BTW, there's high-Tc (critical temperature, not Technology Coordinator :)) superconductors in the lab, but my understanding is that they are very brittle and difficult to even draw into wires, let alone sputter on a chip layer...

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"high temp" superconductors right now only works @ temperatures below 140k. above that temp and they cease to be superconductors

Reply to drew528

Part of the problem is the nature of the beast: you can't superconduct and semiconduct at the same time.

Although it is fascinating to envision a "transistor" which superconducts when on and is a complete insulator when off. Nice gate leakage numbers. Most High-Tc superconductors would fit this bill... if only there was a way to switch them on and off in an isolated way. A little hard to keep specific 250nm^2 areas of the die at 139K while the rest is at 141K.

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fazers_on_stun wrote :


This is similar to why we don't use ternary (three active level) logic instead of binary ON/OFF logic, even though somebody once proved mathematically the most efficient logic possible would use base "e" (2.718) logic states, and 3 is closer to this than 2.



Might you have this proof? I don't doubt it or anything, it just sounds like an interesting read (I'm an engineering major).

Reply to Dekasav

Yah that does sound pretty cool. Tell us!

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nonxcarbonx wrote :

I assume you can't because no laboratory has ever made one...but why?



There is already one at least. the was an article here in toms about it. It is a question of materials really. Find me a material that is super confctor at room temperature or worse , that is super conductor with a temperature delta from -10º to 45º Celcius. And that doesn't supper from magnetical interference. And that doesn't generate (like every other encapsulated chip) a strong magnetic field. Find a material that is stable and that doesn't react or degrade to a crap load of conditions, and they will do it pretty fast.

They tried bananas, but didn't worked.

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Reply to radnor

Bananas superconducted fine, but the cost was too high. And market research found that yellow is soooooo not in this year. We are currently working on those little bumper things on the inside edge of medicine cabinets: they show a lot of promise, and the improvement to durability skyrockets!

Reply to archibael

Dekasav wrote :

Might you have this proof? I don't doubt it or anything, it just sounds like an interesting read (I'm an engineering major).



Unfortunately, no I don't have it. However I believe it was by Donald Knuth, published in the early '70s. I remember running across it while researching a patent application on ternary logic about 15 years ago. It was more mathematical proof than anything else - interesting at the time but just a diversion from my project, so I scanned it on my lunch break.

Reply to fazers_on_stun

archibael wrote :

Part of the problem is the nature of the beast: you can't superconduct and semiconduct at the same time.

Although it is fascinating to envision a "transistor" which superconducts when on and is a complete insulator when off. Nice gate leakage numbers. Most High-Tc superconductors would fit this bill... if only there was a way to switch them on and off in an isolated way. A little hard to keep specific 250nm^2 areas of the die at 139K while the rest is at 141K.



I guess you could use High-Tc superconductors (assuming Tc improves to > 200 degrees K) as replacement for the Cu or Al interconnects, while keeping the transistors per se as semiconductors, as a sort of hybrid. However this wouldn't help matters too much, plus there's the fab problems.

IIRC there's some research going on (IBM?) with magnetic quenching (i.e., Hall effect) of high-Tc switches. If you apply a perpendicular magnetic field of sufficient strength, the charge carriers get squeezed into a small enough volume so the current density goes up past the quench limit.

Reply to fazers_on_stun

fazers_on_stun wrote :

I guess you could use High-Tc superconductors (assuming Tc improves to > 200 degrees K) as replacement for the Cu or Al interconnects, while keeping the transistors per se as semiconductors, as a sort of hybrid. However this wouldn't help matters too much, plus there's the fab problems.



Depends on how much the line losses are driving thermals vs how much is from leakage.

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IIRC there's some research going on (IBM?) with magnetic quenching (i.e., Hall effect) of high-Tc switches. If you apply a perpendicular magnetic field of sufficient strength, the charge carriers get squeezed into a small enough volume so the current density goes up past the quench limit.



That would be sweet. Now, to create high-Gauss nano-magnets on silicon! :)

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