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May 14, 2009 8:00:38 PM

Hi, im thinking of putting together a gaming computer (is also my first time building a computer ). In essence I am looking to replace my current 6yrs old pc, with a flexible PC that can last me around 5 yrs with the usual upgrades and OCing along the way while i could still play the games i like (basically eveonline, and few others that are coming out soon)
I've been doing some research in several websites (including Tom's) and here is what i got so far:

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APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: within the next 2 weeks
BUDGET RANGE: around ~ $1,000.00

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Im using my Tv as monitor. Also about the Operating System, I dont want to spend $100 on vista 64bit only to have it replaced within a yr with Windows 7, so I am thinking of using my Windows XP and upgrading to Windows 7 RC right away.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com, but im open to suggestions

PARTS PREFERENCES: no preference, but i do care about quality.

OVERCLOCKING: Yes, but not extreme OCing.
CROSSFIRE: Using crossfire, havent decided about OCing them in the near future.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: I honestly don't know, whichever works better for the TV i'll be using as monitor, Samsung 23" SyncMaster 2333 HDTV:
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?gro...

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Im concerned about the space in the motherboard for the Crossfire setup that im using. Also about the power supply, ist enough?

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Here is the List:

For a complete list of parts with prices go here:

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...


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Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Cards: SAPPHIRE 100277L Radeon HD 4770 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire (x2):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HardDrive: Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5":
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CD/DVD: Pioneer Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 40X CD-R 32X CD-RW 2MB Cache SATA CD/DVD Burner:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Multicard reader: Rosewill RCR-IC001 40-in-1 USB 2.0 3.5" Internal Card Reader w/ USB port /:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keyboard/mouse: Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000 B2L-00047 Black 105 Normal Keys 9 Function Keys USB Ergonomics Keyboard and Mouse:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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After thoughts: This rig comes to about $1,150 dollars
Like i said before, Im concerned about the space in the motherboard for the Crossfire setup that im using. Also about the power supply, ist enough?
Finally, is the case im using big enough for this rig?
Any suggestion or if im missing some components plz let me know :) 

thanks for your time

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a b 4 Gaming
May 14, 2009 8:11:22 PM

Good plan about Windows 7 RC.

Nice TV, it means you can play at 1920x1080.

Replace the HDD with a WD1001FALS, because it's faster. If you need more space (to store movies or music or data files, etc.) then the WD10EADS is fine, add one or more of those. But keep your OS and programs on the WD1001FALS.

You could save money with an Antec 300.

No idea about the reader/mouse/keyboard. The rest looks great.

Yes the 650TX is plenty for HD 4770 Crossfire.

I would suggest a change though: get a 750TX instead of the 650TX, dump the two HD 4770 cards (they're not in stock anyway) and get a single HD 4890 instead. It's $5 less than those two together, it allows you to add more GPU power later (i.e. a second HD 4890), it's just as fast as HD 4770 Crossfire in games that support Crossfire, it's better in the other games.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102830



May 14, 2009 8:18:44 PM

Or he could drop i7 all together for a 940 BE and 790GX with 1066mhz ddr2 base then up the gfx to a 4870 X2 or dual 4890's, he'd need a 750w psu though.
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May 14, 2009 8:30:14 PM

The i7 should be fine, if your getting dual 4770's, that will run as fast or better than a 4890.

a b 4 Gaming
May 14, 2009 8:57:42 PM

Not always. If a game is poorly optimized for Crossfire then it's HD 4890 against a single HD 4770 and the HD 4890 will win big. But OK, that's not very important because these days games tend to be optimized properly. I was thinking more about the OPs plans to keep this build for 5 years with some upgrades. If he fills the slots with HD 4770 cards he would need to throw them out to upgrade. With a HD 4890 and an empty slot, on the other hand, you add a second card and don't feel the pain of throwing out anything. I don't know, it's purely a matter of taste, I guess...
a b 4 Gaming
May 14, 2009 9:05:29 PM

I'm with aevm. I'd pick the 4890 to leave my upgrade options open. The thought of filling both slots right off the bat doesn't make sense IMO.
May 14, 2009 10:20:39 PM

Thanks for the feedback guys,
Nice idea to go with 1 video card, and upgrade later to crossfire.
Also the 750w PSU comes to about the same price!! after savings and rebates, and still the same good brand.
I choose the Antic 900 case because it seemed OCing friendly with good air flow, the 300 seems tight on air flow...then again i am not an expert.
cheers
May 14, 2009 10:21:27 PM

Don't forget to look at combos. There are a lot of really great combo prices and free shipping with the i7 920 and Antec 900. I bet you can save an extra $100 or so ;) 
May 14, 2009 10:44:22 PM

rebelmojo said:
Hi, im thinking of putting together a gaming computer (is also my first time building a computer ). In essence I am looking to replace my current 6yrs old pc, with a flexible PC that can last me around 5 yrs with the usual upgrades and OCing along the way while i could still play the games i like (basically eveonline, and few others that are coming out soon)
I've been doing some research in several websites (including Tom's) and here is what i got so far:

-------------------------

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: within the next 2 weeks
BUDGET RANGE: around ~ $1,000.00

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Im using my Tv as monitor. Also about the Operating System, I dont want to spend $100 on vista 64bit only to have it replaced within a yr with Windows 7, so I am thinking of using my Windows XP and upgrading to Windows 7 RC right away.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com, but im open to suggestions

PARTS PREFERENCES: no preference, but i do care about quality.

OVERCLOCKING: Yes, but not extreme OCing.
CROSSFIRE: Using crossfire, havent decided about OCing them in the near future.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: I honestly don't know, whichever works better for the TV i'll be using as monitor, Samsung 23" SyncMaster 2333 HDTV:
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?gro...

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Im concerned about the space in the motherboard for the Crossfire setup that im using. Also about the power supply, ist enough?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is the List:

For a complete list of parts with prices go here:

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...


-------------------------
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Cards: SAPPHIRE 100277L Radeon HD 4770 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire (x2):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HardDrive: Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5":
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CD/DVD: Pioneer Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 40X CD-R 32X CD-RW 2MB Cache SATA CD/DVD Burner:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Multicard reader: Rosewill RCR-IC001 40-in-1 USB 2.0 3.5" Internal Card Reader w/ USB port /:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keyboard/mouse: Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000 B2L-00047 Black 105 Normal Keys 9 Function Keys USB Ergonomics Keyboard and Mouse:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-----------
After thoughts: This rig comes to about $1,150 dollars
Like i said before, Im concerned about the space in the motherboard for the Crossfire setup that im using. Also about the power supply, ist enough?
Finally, is the case im using big enough for this rig?
Any suggestion or if im missing some components plz let me know :) 

thanks for your time


Newegg.com is Super!! egxpert.com offers forum tech supprt...Tigerdirect.com is awesome too, Got 800...tech support for any questions , and they are pretty knowledeable.
May 14, 2009 10:47:03 PM

Newegg.com is Super!! egxpert.com is their forum tech support,,,.. Tigerdirect.com is awesome also and has 1-800...tech support
a b 4 Gaming
May 15, 2009 3:40:06 AM

Interesting memory configuration on that board, 4 DIMMs for an i7. Make sure to check on which ones need to be populated to allow for triple channel memory or you will take a slight performance hit, you may want to look into one that gives you the option of 6 DIMM slots simply for the sake of being able to add in another 3x2 kit down the road and not having to scrap the currently installed kit.
May 15, 2009 2:50:09 PM

I didnt think of that hunter, thanks for pointing it out, Im going to check other motherboards and see if i find a suitable replacement

cheers

May 15, 2009 5:11:24 PM

Ok i looked into the memory support list for a few motherboards including the one posted above (gigabyte) and i managed to get more confused :o 

The thing is that the Gigabyte mobo (from above) seems to support for DDR3 2000+/1333/1066/800 MHz memory modules.

Where as other mobos with at least 6 memory sockets dont seem to support DDR3 2000+,

For example, this mobo looks promising:
MSI X58 Platinum SLI LGA 1366 Intel X58
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The memory support for this mobo is: DDR3 800/1066/1333*/1600* (OC) as per the official website: http://global.msi.eu/index.php?func=prodmbspec&maincat_...

So the questions are:
1- Does Triple Channel Memory ALWAYS means a 3 memory stick trio?
2- If yes, can i run 1 trio AND 1 solo memstick (hence using the only 4 memory sockets available in the Gigabyte mobo) at the same speed?

3- If i end up getting the MSI platinum mobo, when the day to add an aditional 3 memory sticks comes, do they have to be the same speed as the old ones to run the computer or is it just a matter of the new ones will "lower" themselves to the speed of the old ones?

In the end, does support for 2000+ speeds really matters?

Im sorry for all these questions, but i really like to understand what im buying.

cheers


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