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January 9, 2011 4:53:16 AM

I decided to purchase an ssd for my for my mainstream/professional Intel i7 860 system. I'm not much of a gamer. I've got it narrowed down to two drives.

Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel X25-M SSDSA2MH120G2K5 2.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My system only supports Sata II so I am thinking of getting the Intel drive. Would there be any benefit to installing the the Crucial ssd in my system?

Does anyone have any experience using ssd's with photo and video editing applications? Any significant improvements?





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January 9, 2011 2:36:45 PM

Hey skeleton brother :) 

I'm using the Crucual 300D's in my builds unless I need to cut a few $ to meet a budget and going then with Vertex 2's

This one's $199
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I's save the $ and get the Vertex 2 in this case as it has better write speeds. The biggest performance boost w/SSD's will come from locating swap, tmp and scratch disk there. Won't fit a lot of movies there....but should be able to locate the one you're editing there.....can always RAID 2 of em :) 
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January 9, 2011 3:21:54 PM

Hiya Jack!

I checked customer reviews at a number of vendor web sites. Normally I don't pay too much attention to customer comments but there seem to be too many doa's and premature failures of that OCZ drive.
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January 11, 2011 4:13:18 PM

Hey Johnny
On the C300
(1) for about 25 bucks you can get the Asus U3S6 card and that will provide you with 2 USB 3 external ports and 2 SATA 6 internal ports (I have one in my P65-UD4P MB)
(2) when you upgrade MB downstream you will have support for Sata 6 and can move it over
(3) I believe they have released one with an upgradded controller - better garbage collection.

On Sata 2 SSDs
(1) you are not limited to OCZ, There are several others that use the SF12xx controller which are very simular. I have the Pheonix Pro 120 Gig and am very satisfied.
(2) They have also started to release SSDs with an improved controller (SF1200 -> SF1222 and I believe there is a SF1500 (SF 1500 might be at a premium price)

Take care and ENJOY
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January 11, 2011 5:50:11 PM

I'd go with the C300 even on SATA 3Gb/s.
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January 11, 2011 11:00:01 PM

Retired Chief - Slapping myself upside the head. I never thought of an add-on card!!! :o 

Anyone have any new info on the new Intel ssd's that are supposed to be released next month?
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January 12, 2011 1:58:09 PM

Have not heard much on the "New" Intel SSD using Sata III. I believe they released an updated G2 Version, however the SF 1200 and New SF based SSDs still out perform the IMproved Intel SSD - SATA II catagory.

Couple of articles you may want to read on upcoming SATA III SSDs.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4086/microns-realssd-c400...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4116/corsair-performance-...

On vertex SF2000 based.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4100/ocz-vertex-pro-3-dem...
Note other venders should start producing SSDs based on the newer SF controller - SF1500 and SF2000
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January 13, 2011 12:17:59 AM

Chief - Intel has a new G3 ssd in the works. Release was delayed until next month. Several news articles indicate it is a "new and improved" version of the G2. If the news articles are correct, it will probably be a SATA II drive. I'm wondering if Intel is going to surprise us.

In the meantime I went over to Anandtech today and and read all of their ssd reviews and articles. Anand Lal Shimpi wrote a review last July that got my attention. His review included a variety of synthetic benchmarks and a suite of PCMark Vantage tests. The PCMark Vantage tests come closer to benchmarking real world use. Of particular interest were the productivity and gaming results.

Here's a link the PCmark Vantage benchmarks:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3812/the-ssd-diaries-cruc...

BUT WAIT! There's more! Anand also ran "storage bench tests". He used a light load and a heavy load of real world applications. The results are really interesting:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3812 [...] ssd-c300/6

Looks like Crucial SATA III is the way to go for now. That will probably change in a few months, especially when new controllers are ramped up for mass production.
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January 13, 2011 1:25:39 AM

Micron plans the C400 for next month, so, we need check both sides (SF and Marvell) and the performance with new generations.
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January 18, 2011 9:19:32 PM

JohnnyLucky said:
Hiya Jack!

I checked customer reviews at a number of vendor web sites. Normally I don't pay too much attention to customer comments but there seem to be too many doa's and premature failures of that OCZ drive.


Were you reading on Newegg? They typically have a few comments per item with DOA, could just be the shippers or poor packaging.

As to the question, any SSD beats any HDD as far as programs go. However, if you don't have SATA III then a SATA III drive should perform like a SATA II.
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January 18, 2011 9:58:12 PM

RetiredChief said:
Hey Johnny
On the C300
(1) for about 25 bucks you can get the Asus U3S6 card and that will provide you with 2 USB 3 external ports and 2 SATA 6 internal ports (I have one in my P65-UD4P MB)
(2) when you upgrade MB downstream you will have support for Sata 6 and can move it over
(3) I believe they have released one with an upgradded controller - better garbage collection.

On Sata 2 SSDs
(1) you are not limited to OCZ, There are several others that use the SF12xx controller which are very simular. I have the Pheonix Pro 120 Gig and am very satisfied.
(2) They have also started to release SSDs with an improved controller (SF1200 -> SF1222 and I believe there is a SF1500 (SF 1500 might be at a premium price)

Take care and ENJOY


Hey RC,

I checked the AUSUS support site for the Asus U3S6 card and its no longer listed.
Have you ever gone to that site?
Do you know what they are listing in under now?

Thanks

Mark
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January 18, 2011 11:11:44 PM

mark_k - no longer at newegg.com either. Had to google for it.
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January 19, 2011 3:17:32 PM

Looks like newegg is just out of stock, still listed on Asus site so does not appear to be a discontiniued item.

http://www.asus.com/Search.aspx?SearchKey=u3s6

However did not see an "instock" at microcenter or zippzoomfly
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January 19, 2011 11:12:07 PM

jamesthespinoza - Here is a link to an article published last month about disk failure rates:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/10/flash_fails_mor...

I also read an ssd article published last August that happened to have a chart of ssd failure rates:

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2010/12/08/ssd-failure-rate...

Intel 0,59%
Corsair 2,17%
Crucial 2,25%
Kingston 2,39%
OCZ 2,93%

Those are a lot better than failure rates for mechanical drives.
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January 20, 2011 11:35:18 PM

Retired Chief - Thank you for mentioning the Asus U3S6 PCIe card. It should be a very good temporary upgrade at a very affordable price. It sure beats the heck out of upgrading a motherboard and cpu just to get SATA III capability. I am very satisfied with my Intel Core i7 860 system for the the semi-professional work I do. Currently there is no reason for me to upgrade. The situation is probably different for hardcore gamers about to embark on a do or die mission to save the planet from alien invaders.

I still haven't decided on an ssd. I am going to be patient and see what happens in the near future. We've got a lot of new ssd's being released starting next month. Personally I'd like to see what Intel is going to actually release. News articles from last September suggested that the final version of the Intel G3 ssd's might be SATA III drives rather than SATA II. I could not find any current information. It would be nice if Intel hurried up and surprised us.

There is too much advertising hype that does not match reality and too many benchmarks measuring different processes. It can be quite confusing and frustrating.

Yesterday I ran across several news articles that were very interesting. Intel, Micron, Marvel, Crucial, OCZ, and many other companies involved with ssd's have formed a consortium to make PCIe the standard for ssd's. SATA data transmission rates are a bottleneck that will hamper ssd performance. It looks like SATA will eventually disappear. Seems to be sort of similar to DisplayPort replacing DVI.

BTW - military retiree myself - 30 years - US Army!
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January 23, 2011 9:04:59 PM

Hey Johnny

Concerning the OCZ customer feedback, I think I can shed some light on that. I don't know about other SSDs, but OCZ SSD drives are not pre-formatted like hard drives are. I recently tried to clone my old laptop HDD to my new SSD and Acronis couldn't even see the drive. I used Parted Magic to create a partion on the SSD, and then Acronis was able to recognize it as Unallocated. I'm guessing many people just assume the drives are DOA when they are not immediately recognized. Just my two cents.

To all current and former US Military - Thank you for your service!
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January 24, 2011 11:47:50 AM

LordConrad
I do not recommend cloning a HDD to an SSD as partition alignment may be incorrect and drivers installed on HDD may be incorrect. I cloned a 80 gig Intel G2 SSD to a Pheonix pro 120 gig SSD (SF1200 Controller). It worked, but performance was poor - Had to reinstall win 7.

Johnny
23 Yrs USAF, retired 1983. Had a Very enjoyable career.
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January 24, 2011 10:42:51 PM

God bless all current and retired and passed-on Military service people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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January 25, 2011 12:35:31 AM

RetiredChief
Thanks for the advice. I checked the SSD alignment after Acronis finished and there were no problems. I also upgraded my AHCI drivers to Intel RST. Windows recognized it was now on an SSD and configured itself accordingly by turning off System Restore and all the Superfetch/Prefetch stuff. I went in and turned off Drive Indexing. I also turned off the pagefile since I never come close to using up my laptop's 8GB of RAM. So far there doesn't seem to be any issues and the drive speed is amazing.
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January 25, 2011 2:21:25 AM

Great - ENJOY
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January 25, 2011 3:22:42 AM

Well, I've got the ASUS U3S6 PCI-e board that Retired Chief recommended. According to page 4 of the user manual the board is compatible with my ASUS Sabertooth 55i motherboard. The U3S6 board comes with a cd-rom disc with appropriate drivers and I can even make a Marvel driver disc. So far, so good.

I've read lots of announcements about SATA III ssd's that will be introduced in the near future. Still waiting for their release.

I've also read a lot about PCI-e x16 ssd's. Yes, that's right, PCI-e x16 ssd's. Right now they are only meant for mainstream big business.

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January 25, 2011 7:46:58 AM

I'd go with the C300, it is a faster drive.

However, it would probably be worth waiting a month or two and checking out all the new drives, as most of the new drives are coming out before March (though the SF-2000 drives will be a bit after that).

If you need any more help, let me know!
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January 25, 2011 11:29:08 AM

Wait few days more and you will see the C400 comes out to the market.
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January 25, 2011 4:38:14 PM

@ Saint19
be a SAINT and send one this way, as us poor retired (well almost) folks can not affort!!!
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January 25, 2011 7:02:30 PM

I don't believe the ASUS U3S6 works as well as onboard SATA III (6gb).
Anyone else here the same thing?
I think it has to do with the architecture?
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January 25, 2011 7:48:31 PM

RetiredChief said:
@ Saint19
be a SAINT and send one this way, as us poor retired (well almost) folks can not affort!!!


Sure!! :lol: 
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January 25, 2011 11:09:00 PM

Saint - If I had known you were financially well off, then I would have posted a link to a PCI-e x16 ssd. :lol: 
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January 26, 2011 12:02:01 AM

mark_K - The Asus U3S6 comes with the extra expansion bridge chip shown in the animation you linked to. Asus makes a big deal about it on the box the card comes in. I know for certain it is not a good idea to connect two USB 3.0 devices and two SATA III ssd's. If you try using all 4 devices at once there will definitely be a major bottleneck. Just about all of the technical reviews focused on the USB 3.0 and pretty much neglected SATA III.
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January 26, 2011 1:07:42 AM

JohnnyLucky said:
Saint - If I had known you were financially well off, then I would have posted a link to a PCI-e x16 ssd. :lol: 


:lol:  Sure :lol: 
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January 26, 2011 11:22:15 AM

Really good deal, the good thing for your guys is that you live in the USA and can buy from newegg without problems.
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January 26, 2011 1:29:55 PM

@ Mark_K
Your link points to a bottleneck when using a addon card utilizing the pci-e X1. The U3S6 card is an X4 card. The X4 card does have a drawback in that performance would be drastically reduced if all four devices were to be accessed at the same time. For the average user concurrent access would be to/from USB3 to say sata 6 Drive, or transfer between two sata6 drives in which case not much (if any bottleneck)

Also the added on card is really only a recommendation when U3 and/or Sata 6 is not supported by the motherboard. The U3S6 card is a good option, untill the MB is upgraded at which time the card could be transfered to the New system to extend the Nr of available USB 3 ports and the Nr of Sata 6 ports.

@saint19
"Sure!! " Great, when can Johhy and I expect deliever - Probably when the "Lake" freezes over - RIGHT.
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January 26, 2011 1:47:14 PM

RetiredChief said:
@saint19
"Sure!! " Great, when can Johhy and I expect deliever - Probably when the "Lake" freezes over - RIGHT.


Right :lol: 
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January 26, 2011 7:19:09 PM

Hi,

I bought one VERTEX OCZ 2 GB of 120.
I hesitated a bit from version 2.5 "and version 3.5".
Finally, I bought version 2.5 "because the adapter to position it in a rack 3.5" desktop was provided.
Luckily I chose this version ... the bios of my motherboard asus Sabertooth 55i (Intel P55 LGA 1156) can't detect the SSD OCZ! :fou: 

Unlike my Dell laptop that recognizes the OCZ SSD without any problem ... :D 
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January 26, 2011 7:30:47 PM

fabrice_13 I might suggest that you start a new thread with topic/question "problem with my Vertex-2 120 Gig SSD"

Many who might provide a response to you will overlook this thread as they have already read it.
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January 26, 2011 10:46:00 PM

SOME GOOD NEWS - Corsair Performance 3 ssd's are now available at newegg.com.

Here's a link to all of the Crucial and Corsair SATA III drives currently available at newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

Prices average about $20.00 higher than the Crucial C300 drives except for the Corsair 265GB version. It's a lot more expensive. I was hoping prices would be about the same.

Other than some info from CES 11 over at Anandtech there's isn't very much info about the Corsair drives. I would have thought technical reviws would have been published by now.
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January 27, 2011 1:34:54 AM

I noticed that also just befor I left work - it looks like it has better performance than the C300, But that might just be that the firmware is a newer version (Both use the marvel controller I believe).
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January 27, 2011 2:32:00 AM

RetiredChief said:
I noticed that also just befor I left work - it looks like it has better performance than the C300, But that might just be that the firmware is a newer version (Both use the marvel controller I believe).


Yeah, I want see what can do the C400 series against those Corsair.
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January 27, 2011 2:59:15 AM

Retired Chief - I'm sitting here with the ASUS U3S6 installed in a PCI-e 2.0 x16 slot in my Asus Sabertooth 55i LGA 1156 motherboard. Windows 7 64bit didn't have any problems recognising it. Unfortunately I don't have any USB 3.0 or SATA III device to plug in. Looks like I am on hold for the time being.

Although Asus listed my motherboard as being compatible it does not have a PCI-e 2.0 x4 slot for the card. I've got two x16 slots, three x1 slots, and one legacy PCI slot. The thing about those two x16 slots is that if you have two video cards, then they each drop down to x8. Since I never planned to use two video cards it didn't matter. I tried to find out if adding the U3S6 would trigger the change. I dug down into the Asus forums. I found people asking but nobody replied - zip, zero, zilch!!! I checked technical reviews for all three versions of the motherboard. One of the reviews for the brand new Sabertooth P67 LGA 155 indicated if only one video card is used, then the second slot still functions as x16. Hoping it's the same for my motherboard.
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January 27, 2011 10:56:48 AM

Johnny,
ASUS used to have a decated list in their forum for the U3S6 but now its gone. What list are you asking your questions in?
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January 27, 2011 11:21:06 AM

mar_k - I used Google to search the Asus forums for questions about the Sabertooth 55i and U3S6.

Actually it may not matter. Windows 7 64 bit is playing nice with the card. When I get home from work today I'll plug in my SATA II optical drive and see what happens.
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January 27, 2011 5:31:56 PM

Johnny
I have the P55-UD4P MB (Not the "A"). Have no PCI-e x4 slot. And as you, I do not plan on adding a 2nd GPU so pluged the card in to the 2nd x16 slot. Have a WD 1 TB sata 6 HDD pluged into it (A real waste). I did try the USB port with a SSD installed in a USB3 enclosure, just to see if it worked, did not check transfer rates.
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January 27, 2011 8:08:23 PM

Why not just run GPU-Z? It will tell you how many PCIe lanes your video card is currently using.
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January 27, 2011 11:02:27 PM

Lord Conrad - GPU-Z shows PCI-e 2.0 x16 running at x8 v1.1

UPDATE - Just for the heck of it I connected my optical drive to one of the SATA III headers on the U3S6 and my USB mouse to one of the USB 3.0 headers. Booted up and both components worked fine. Ran GPU-Z which still showed gpu running at x8 instead of x16. Pulled the U3S6 and ran GPU-Z again. Now I'm back to normal x16. Hmmmmm......:( 

Retired Chief - Run GPU-Z and let us know what you got.
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January 28, 2011 6:16:49 AM

That sucks, I was hoping you had enough lanes for a x16/x4 setup instead of auto-switching to x8/x8.
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January 28, 2011 7:55:08 AM

It's a bummer. I kind of figured that would happen. The performance hit to my XFX Radeon HD 4770 would not be a disaster since I am not a hardcore gamer.
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